What's the context of that graph? TPU seems a bit different for raster, for RT it would make a bit more sense.
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RTX 5xxx / RX 8xxx speculation
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Hardware unboxed had older engine games (still using DX11) where the new AMD gpu seem to have some difficulties, it seems, Counter-strike 2 is an other one RDNA 4 had giant issues that is in HUB and not TPU, getting fixes. which one is more representative between the 2... not sure there is a right or wrong answer, putting all those games together would be the best.
Any relatively small sample of game like the earlys reviews is quite good to compare very similar card, but different one a bit effy, upcoming 60 games (with more mature drivers) will give more clarity. If a +12% 5070 is still well behind they could need to launch it at $600, but the gap would not be big enough that they cannot make it work on that die, just need to cut the price and 18gb of vram (if they get forced to do so), in that TPU game suite the 9070xt would be 6% faster than the 5070 super, that not out of the norm for AMD to be around 5-6% faster and even usually a little bit cheaper when it is that close, not more expensive.
For whatever reason, the 9070 xt shits the bed in esports titles in general. I think it might not be a driver issue, it's fairly dense and large chip, it might actually be a thermal issue. I can't really substantiate that though.
Rumor mill: The basic specifications for GeForce RTX 5070 Super, 5070 Ti Super & 5080 Super
The well-known leaker ' Kopite7kimi ' has now also announced the basic specifications of the GeForce RTX 5070 Super and GeForce RTX 5070 Ti Super on X/Twitter – the latter was already suspected to be another refresh model, which is confirmed here. In addition, the GeForce RTX 5080 Super was supplemented by the already leaked , which means that the GeForce RTX 50 "SUPER" Refresh series now has its basic features. As also expected, the expansion of the graphics card memory is a big topic, and additional memory will also be available for the GeForce RTX 5070 Ti Super (and thus for all three models).focus of this refresh lies in expanding VRAM capacity. NVIDIA will finally offer VRAM configurations that truly match the performance class of its powerhouses, while also providing a bit of reserve for future gaming generations. In all cases, NVIDIA uses the 3 GB GDDR7 memory chips , which were expected to have exactly this effect when they were first announced.
| 5070 → 5070S | 5070Ti → 5070TiS | 5080S → 5080S | |
|---|---|---|---|
| Chip base | equal (GB205) | equal (GB203) | equal (GB203) |
| Shader cluster | 48 → 50 SM | equal (70 SM) | equal (84 SM) |
| Memory interface | equal (192-bit) | equal (256-bit) | equal (256-bit) |
| Storage expansion | 12 → 18 GB | 16 → 24 GB | 16 → 24 GB |
| Memory clock | equal (28 Gbps) | equal (28 Gbps) | 30 → 32 Gbps |
| TDP | 250W → 275W | 300W → 350W | 360W → 415W |
https://m-3dcenter-org.translate.go...uper?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-GB
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As I said they will release super versions again that should have been regular versions, i.e. immediately released, but it is definitely better for Jensen to earn more than less.
Secondly, as for that vram memory, even regular versions have enough memory, this is no guarantee for the future, the card can have 48Gb of VRAM, it still won't help if the GPU is too weak to run, say, GTA 6 at 4K ultra.
Game manufacturers intentionally set the game so that only the most expensive GPU can run it at ultra 4K settings, in this case the RTX 5090. If VRAM were a key factor, no one would buy the RTX 5090.
This increase in vram can lead to the card breaking down sooner. But realistically, in numbers and games, it has almost no impact, we're talking about a few fps gains. We know that the real gains are brought by shaders and the like.
Could have been close to what they wanted to launch but failed to do (3GB gddr7 not having good yield soon enough), because if there simulator were not in the wrong the gain of going GDDR7 seem limited if we exclude the 3GB and more options.
A 10% faster 5070s with 18GB of vram could beat a 9070 at everything (but maybe AMD/AIBs are not making those much and it is a non-issue)
A 10% faster 5070s with 18GB of vram could beat a 9070 at everything (but maybe AMD/AIBs are not making those much and it is a non-issue)
Yes, it looks like they have yield issues related to memory. 5080 super should be a no-brainer as it can command a premium
5070 super 18gb for $600 also makes sense
I am doubtful of the 5070 ti super being released any time soon
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Even a 5070 super at $650 makes sense. 18gb with that chip power should last at least 2 gens of 1440p native or 4k with the excellent upscaling of dlss4. Ray and path tracing is a bit tougher but not sure if a $650 card is expected to be able to do those super intensive tasks, at least in this gen. Would also even posit that a $650 5070 18gb is a better value proposition than a $700+ 9070xt
24gb for 5070 ti is not necessary, but for the 5080 its a must. If they release an FE at ~$1200 that’ll be the sweet spot. $1k for the 5080 FE was already a terrible value proposition, but the ram to match a 4090 would be a welcome upgrade even though its raw performance is -15% lower.
the 24GB 5070ti make you wonder a bit (if they actually release it) if it on some technical level make it simpler product chain wise... because I think many would prefer a 16GB that reach msrp than what we can imagine the 24GB will go for in reality.... will have to see what that 50watt give or if this end up quite similar to what regular out of the box overclocking of the original made possible...
NV putting 24GB on a 5070Ti Super makes me think they're going to use the 3GB modules almost across the board. I expect the 5070Ti Super to be one of the later launches simply because it needs it less than the 5080 and especially the 5070. I had the 5070Ti pegged as being second least in need of a 3GB GDDR7 module upgrade after the 16GB 5060Ti. As best I can tell 16GB is mostly ok unless you're doing path tracing. The 8GB 5060 & 506Ti need it more than anything else.
Now for some more speculation...
I bet the 5090 doesn't get a refresh
I bet the 16GB 5080 gets dropped when the 24GB super comes out.
I bet the 16GB 5070Ti is not dropped and they add the 24GB super to the lineup.
I bet the 12GB 5070 gets dropped and replaced with an 18GB super.
5060Ti I'm not sure about. They might drop the 8GB version and just leave the 16GB, they might replace the 8GB with a 12GB, or they might do nothing.
I bet the 8GB 5060 is not dropped, but they add a 12GB super.
Now for some more speculation...
I bet the 5090 doesn't get a refresh
I bet the 16GB 5080 gets dropped when the 24GB super comes out.
I bet the 16GB 5070Ti is not dropped and they add the 24GB super to the lineup.
I bet the 12GB 5070 gets dropped and replaced with an 18GB super.
5060Ti I'm not sure about. They might drop the 8GB version and just leave the 16GB, they might replace the 8GB with a 12GB, or they might do nothing.
I bet the 8GB 5060 is not dropped, but they add a 12GB super.
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There’s a lot of speculation that the 5070ti is artificially held back to its 300w tdp, as even the biggest power bumps are only limited to +16% /50w in afterburner and the like. The 3gb GDDR7 module manufacturing issues feeds into this narrative, as Nvidia didn’t want to have the 5070ti any closer to the 5080 as they couldn’t get more ram into the 5080 without a very big price bump (20gb gddr7 with a bigger and more complicated pcb arrangement and 450w tdp)
Also the 5070ti runs pretty cool at stock, and even moderately cool when power limit is bumped up. Way below the 90+deg of previous releases.
The situation is even more clear for the 5070ti mobile chip wrt obvious handicapping it vs the 5080.
View: https://youtu.be/l8WV7DdeNIQ?si=1CmLbwzqR-fBLbmM
From RGT
A fairly reliable source of mine gave me the following for projected prices – but I’ll caution you, that it’s so far out you should take it with an absolute massive truckload of salt. Curiously, there’s at least a couple of SKUs we’ve not heard of here in the last, with the RTX 5030 listed too. I’ll reach out and try and find more info, it’s possibly a typo / mistake, but I’ll list it here for the sake of completeness.
RTX 5080 Super 84 sm 24 gb $1149
RTX 5070 Ti Super 70 sm 24 gb $849
RTX 5070 Super 50 sm 18 gb $599
RTX 5060 Super 32 sm 12 gb $349
RTX 5030 16 sm 6 gb $179
https://redgamingtech.com/rtx-5070-ti-super-rtx-5070-super-specs-leak/
A fairly reliable source of mine gave me the following for projected prices – but I’ll caution you, that it’s so far out you should take it with an absolute massive truckload of salt. Curiously, there’s at least a couple of SKUs we’ve not heard of here in the last, with the RTX 5030 listed too. I’ll reach out and try and find more info, it’s possibly a typo / mistake, but I’ll list it here for the sake of completeness.
RTX 5080 Super 84 sm 24 gb $1149
RTX 5070 Ti Super 70 sm 24 gb $849
RTX 5070 Super 50 sm 18 gb $599
RTX 5060 Super 32 sm 12 gb $349
RTX 5030 16 sm 6 gb $179
https://redgamingtech.com/rtx-5070-ti-super-rtx-5070-super-specs-leak/
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GN is trashing Jensen, he's not on Nvidia's payroll so he's telling the truth.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caU0RG0mNHg
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caU0RG0mNHg
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As long as there is no 5090 sku, I am OK.
However, pity the people with 5080s. This is a shit move.
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The 5080 was a total shitty offering from the getgo, anyone who bought an expensive AIB model was completely mugged.
It will go down as the shittiest xx80 offering nvidia has ever shat out. Only the Geforce 4mx makes it look good! (Remember that lol
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I had the Geforce 2 MX 400The 5080 was a total shitty offering from the getgo, anyone who bought an expensive AIB model was completely mugged.
It will go down as the shittiest xx80 offering nvidia has ever shat out. Only the Geforce 4mx makes it look good! (Remember that lol
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Yeah not exactly the right people to “pity” since from day 1 everyone knew that 16gb for that powerful of a chip was complete crap and the insane 30% plus aib markups over FE a straight cash grab.The 5080 was a total shitty offering from the getgo, anyone who bought an expensive AIB model was completely mugged.
It will go down as the shittiest xx80 offering nvidia has ever shat out. Only the Geforce 4mx makes it look good! (Remember that lol
Well at least everyone with a functioning amygdala.
Everyone is titled to their opinion, but I love my Aorus 5080. Great card.The 5080 was a total shitty offering from the getgo, anyone who bought an expensive AIB model was completely mugged.
It will go down as the shittiest xx80 offering nvidia has ever shat out. Only the Geforce 4mx makes it look good! (Remember that lol
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I don't think anyone here in 2025 has a functioning amygdala.
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The real winners of the 5080 here were us 4090 owners... The 5090 was so far ahead of the 5080 if left a nice resell gap as the 4090 was a solid 2nd place for 4K gaming.
The 5090 was so far ahead of the 5080 if left a nice resell gap as the 4090 was a solid 2nd place for 4K gaming.
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I don't feel bad for anyone who paid $1100+ for a 16GB card in 2025.
I had some sort of MX card. It did the job. That was back in the days when cards only had 2 outputs. Whatever that MX card was it was cheap, available as a 32-bit PCI card and I used it to drive a 3rd screen. Good product.I had the Geforce 2 MX 400
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That's precisely why I hate on the 5080 so much! It was instantly only the 3rd fastest card available, 2nd to a much better option that was no longer being sold. Given how scarce the 5090 supply was, I expect most potential 4090 buyers got a 5080 instead and not a 5090 as was clearly nvidia's plan there.The real winners of the 5080 here were us 4090 owners...
That and it was obvious a 5080 super would come along sooner rather than later, demoting the 5080 down to 4th within months of release.
Even 5th, if AMD has any ambitions left
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As long as my 5090 remains in a very solid lead I'll be happy I guess... lol. TBF, it has felt like a nice upgrade from my 4090. The 4090 could max out games at 4K fine, but frames could see 80~120 depending on the game, with the 5090, I'm locked at my monitors refresh rate of 144Hz as MFG can fill that gap when it is required.
This is kind of a shot in the dark, but anyone using a 5000 series GPU and also using VMware Horizon Client for work? Every single day after about an hour or less when I minimize the client the Nvidia driver will crash taking vmware with it and it wastes about 5 minutes as I have to force it to close and log back in. Oddly enough it will only crash once per boot.
MLID says that there will be a RDNA 4 refresh & RDNA 5 will launch in Q3 2027
However there has been no corroboration of his leak on RDNA 4 refresh & previous leaked RDNA 5 roadmap pointed to late H2 2026 or early 2027 (just like RDNA 4 launch planned late 2024 to early 2025)
However there has been no corroboration of his leak on RDNA 4 refresh & previous leaked RDNA 5 roadmap pointed to late H2 2026 or early 2027 (just like RDNA 4 launch planned late 2024 to early 2025)
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This tracks with rumors the PS6, with its late '27-early '28 launch, will be using some RDNA 4 variant. I'm guessing RDNA 5 will not be in the PS6.
PS6 is RDNA 5+ it comes in 2027 or 2028. RDNA 5 would be fully out by 2027 at the latest
Xbox is rumored to have exactly the same chip as RDNA 5
Next Nov is xbox 25th anniversary. So next xbox running RDNA 5 could be revealed next Nov.
I think I found the right video... they didn't say what the refresh was. That Q3 '27 date sounds important if it's true. NV could easily be planning RTX 6000 for late '26 or early '27, leaving AMD in the dust for a while if they don't have new product until Q3 of '27. Intel might even have an ARC Celestial that can keep up with or beat a 9070XT out by then. That makes me think maybe this refresh will involve new dies. Move to 3nm, add CUs, GDDR7 support, something like that. Maybe all 3. If AMD was on the usual 2 year cycle I'd expect a "refresh" to be similar to NV's "super" cards. Just juice the power limits and slap 32GB on a 9070XTX or something like that.
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Hate to break it to you, but Nvidia left AMD in the dust since the 4000 series; so a good 3 years now. If AMD doesn't compete or Nvidia doesn't sandbag themselves, AMD will be considered nothing but a glorified graphics accelerator company by enthusiasts come Q3 of 2027.
I just meant in the segments they're competing in. AMD has some decent products this round. Not that I bought one (5090 owner...), but they've largely sorted out their ray tracing and upscaling deficiencies. If they sit on their hands until Q3 2027 they won't have anything worth buying.
I expect around Q1 or Q2 of 2027 for the 9070xt successor. I expect the next xbox to release 3 months before that too
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can I tag this thread along on a quick question: I can't figure out why Newegg said the RTX5060 Ti is PCIe 5.0 x8 lane?
https://www.newegg.com/asus-prime-r...e-fans/p/N82E16814126791?Item=N82E16814126791
because on Asus website,
https://www.asus.com/motherboards-components/graphics-cards/prime/prime-rtx5060ti-16g/techspec/
it says PCIe 5.0
would anyone knows?
https://www.newegg.com/asus-prime-r...e-fans/p/N82E16814126791?Item=N82E16814126791
because on Asus website,
https://www.asus.com/motherboards-components/graphics-cards/prime/prime-rtx5060ti-16g/techspec/
it says PCIe 5.0
would anyone knows?
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It’s because the 5060 ti is a pcie 5.0 x8 card
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-5060-ti-16-gb.c4292
Video showing why that’s a bad thing for the 8gb card, less so than the 16gb since it has enough VRAM to deal with most modern games. 9060xt 8gb is x16 and deals with VRAM overages much better due to more pcie lanes
View: https://youtu.be/CbphkAeSSZw?si=KyJLt7a_hKxGqEoJ
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thank you everyone. I move up to the RTX 5070 series, Asus Prime-RTX5070-12G. I just need a website to calculate how much VRAM do I need for 2D gaming at 7680x2160, and may be a little bit of 3D gaming
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8k gaming on the 5070 will be quite the stretch for that vram and GPU processing power.
Depending on your viewing distance you might be better off with double wide 4k ie 5130x1440p if you’re set on that video card. Otherwise you’d need something like a 4090 or 5090 to push that res without serious settings downgrading
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Looks to me that he's doing platform games in 2D. The 5070 will be fine with that. He'll definitely need to upgrade if he does much conventional gaming at his stated rez.