5080 Reviews

LukeTbk said:
Not sure if we know, but an IPhone would be different in a lot of ways,

1) For gpu lot of people would not want to place actual orders, they would want to do like EVGA did, you put your name in a line and once it is your turn you receive an email that tell you, you got a spot and 24 or 48 hours to place an order, during a crunch people would want to try to buy many skus and get the first one they can get. Or it would be a festival and very expensive returns... with people putting 7 orders and returning 6 of them or scalping like crazy.

2) To the above, Apple has a single product, video card have 5-6-7-8 AIBs doing different skus, it would be Asus, MSI, Gigabytes doing it, not Nvidia.

3) apple only accept to sales directly to people with an AppleAccount, the nature of that account could make easy to prioritize real client over suspected scalper, not sure how much the MSI of the world could do that.

Apple-Iphone control everything in the supply chain and sell 105mm die a fortune, they can make way more, overpay for supply and can ship via airplanes, a lot of demands and sales goes through partner that sales data plan has they expire, that spit the demand over time.

I think Apple direct sales are 25-35% of all the sales, 40-50% for carrier via a data plan and 20-30% for the walmart, the percentage of sales that Apple need to handle and day 1 demand are a relatively small % of their product sales, at least in the US.

All that to say, EVGA did try something close to it (not sure they could have actually accepted order or that people would have wanted to do it in good faith, phone buyer want a specific model and buy a single one, gpu skus are such the same...) and looking at my inbox I received message like:
This email is being sent in response to your request to be notified with availability updates for product 08G-P5-3667-KL and this product was marked as being in stock on 9/9/2021

I would have put myself in line around October 2020.... it would be much smaller line if people put orders, instead of reservations, but day 1 GPU buyers putting sincere order, I doubt it.
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Okay, forget just the Apple iPhone pre-order purchasing experience. Let's say you want an Android phone. You have several options;

If you want a Samsung Galaxy phone, you could pre-order direct from Samsung's website. Or go to Best Buy and pre-order through their website the new Samsung phone or one of your phone carrier website stores.

Same thing with a new Google pixel phone. You could pre-order and setup payment and delivery directly from Google's website. Or you could do the same through Best Buy's website. You pre-order the Google Pixel on Best Buy website, then put your payment info in and have the option to have it ready at the store for customer pickup or have it shipped to you.

Why can't they do that with video cards?

Like Best Buy right now the 5090 FE still states coming soon, but why not give us the option right now to pre-order that card to hold our spot in line per se.
 
So 5080 will be ok card when using path tracing with dlss quality + Frame gen?
 
Zorachus said:
Why can't they do that with video cards?
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Some possible reason could be simply a different ratio of volume vs demand, just like for console (where tehre sony-nintendo do not have many skus to deal with, they do not have AIBs....). They do not have carrier handling a giant part of the transaction for them and dataplan pushing a lot of demand out of the day 1 release.

Cards you add AIBs and people that would try their luck on many sellers-skus and return-cancel them once they get one in shipping, in a more aggressive way. They could have a non-return for working card policy but it would become a giant scalping war.

But all that added complexity do not exist for consoles... Specially that Sony-Nintendo could only accept pre-order coming from active and old enough playstation-nintendo account, in the scalping world people would even welcome that intruisive measure I think. (Imaybe samsung do not accept guess checkout during high demand window for high demand items... ?) .

Which could just come down to how small (better yield and giant volume) cellphone chip are vs console SOC and big gaming gpus, in a way first day 1 of launch demands and price does not follow that ratio, they can make 10+ time more phone (main chips wise), but the price is not 10 time smaller or the demands for the first launch day than a PS5.
 
jojo67 said:
So 5080 will be ok card when using path tracing with dlss quality + Frame gen?
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5080 can't run Indiana Jones with full path tracing and supreme settings. It runs out of memory unless dropping from Full RT to high and from Supreme to Very high.

So you can't even play all current gen games because of the vram constraints, which is a bad starting point.
 
Lepardi said:
5080 can't run Indiana Jones with full path tracing and supreme settings. It runs out of memory unless dropping from Full RT to high and from Supreme to Very high.

So you can't even play all current gen games because of the vram constraints, which is a bad starting point.
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you mean it wiill crash or drop perf. ?
 
Pathetic. 15% performance increase? I do like the reviews at Tech Power UP and at The FPS Review, though I am not sure a "Highly Recommended" label is warranted for what seems to be the worst generation on generation performance increase in how many years?

RTX 5070ti will be interesting to see, if it performs roughly the same as the 5080 it may be somewhat interesting if you can find them at $750-780. But if it performs notably worse it won't be worthwhile.

I am thinking I should have purchased a 4070ti Super when they were $770 or so and just skipped this generation.
 
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This is a win for 4080/90 users, the new DLSS 4 libraries are resulting in a massive quality uplift for me in the great circle, it can even do DLSS quality with everything ultra/maxed out including Path Tracing now at my UW res, they clearly optimized VRAM usage to make the 5080 look/work better and that will all translate to 4080/90 folks as well since the architectures are so similar, apart from multi frame gen, everything else will be coming to 4xxx.
 
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MavericK said:
I don't see people paying scalper prices for a 5080, given the lackluster reviews. Hopefully that means normal people can get one at MSRP fairly easily, but I guess it depends on how many were produced.
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If you can't buy a 5090 (let's say), then the "better gamerz" will have no choice but to buy the next hippest card. The more you spend, the better you look.
 
I'm not liking with what I'm reading with the new 50xx cards and DLSS that may cause artifacts and input lag just to be able to play higher frames at 4K.

I'm wondering if I should stick to 1080p so I can enjoy the ray traced eye candy and higher frames at native without DLSS?
 
Ok must wait for tommorow and i will try fast as i can buy 5080 or 5090. Depend of prize.
 
TangledThornz said:
I'm not liking with what I'm reading with the new 50xx cards and DLSS that may cause artifacts and input lag just to be able to play higher frames at 4K.

I'm wondering if I should stick to 1080p so I can enjoy the ray traced eye candy and higher frames at native without DLSS?
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50xx dlss will not cause more artifacts than other, you could try with your 2060 (if you are on 1080p you will see the worst case scenario dlss, the one that start with lower native resolution), not sure how much you can be certain before trying it, youtube video are compressed, picture do not move, really good compression recording not sure if anyone make those outthere, but you can look dlss on vs off videos of game you play to have an idea of higher starting point resolution scenarios.

DLSS do not seem to add input lag (at the same FPS), if you use it to gain FPS you will have less input lag like usually.

A lot of what you describe is frame generation, here again would not think it will be worst in any way than the 4000 series frame generation in those regard.
 
cjcox said:
If you can't buy a 5090 (let's say), then the "better gamerz" will have no choice but to buy the next hippest card. The more you spend, the better you look.
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But you'd kinda look like an idiot if you already have a 4090 and bought a 5080. Maybe there are a lot of idiots out there...

My plan is (in order of "whatever happens first"):

1) Try to get a 5080 FE
2) Try to get a $999 AIB 5080
3) Wait for the 5070 Ti
4) Buy something used? Or nothing...
 
MavericK said:
But you'd kinda look like an idiot if you already have a 4090 and bought a 5080. Maybe there are a lot of idiots out there...

My plan is (in order of "whatever happens first"):

1) Try to get a 5080 FE
2) Try to get a $999 AIB 5080
3) Wait for the 5070 Ti
4) Buy something used? Or nothing...
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True... but who on earth was trying to suggest that (scrapping a 4090 for a 5080)? Besides, a $2500+ card is worth more "cred wize" than a $1000 card. And the 4090 card is "fat". And fat is cool (if you ensure proper ventilation).
 
cjcox said:
True... but who on earth was trying to suggest that (scrapping a 4090 for a 5080)? Besides, a $2500+ card is worth more "cred wize" than a $1000 card. And the 4090 card is "fat". And fat is cool (if you ensure proper ventilation).
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I guess my thinking was that if you already had enough to buy a $2K card, you've probably already got a fairly decent card and going down to half-ish the performance doesn't make a lot of sense. But I guess there are some rare people out there going from a 20/30 series card to a 5090. 5090 seems more like a halo product for people who already buy halo products, not a product that your average gamer would buy.
 
This guys deep review, says nVidia screwed up the naming on this card, the 5080 is actually a 5060 Ti. he makes a great point, the 80 series, with inflation factored in should be about $850 dollars in today's pricing, but even bigger the performance upgrade should also be much higher; historically 80 series cards were generally 40% to 60% faster than previous gen, and this went on for years and years, anywhere from 40% to 70% performance upgrade between 80 series gens, but this year it' only 12% to 15% faster AND more expensive

WTF


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezk99o67Mh4
 
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Zorachus said:
This guys deep review, says nVidia screwed up the naming on this card, the 5080 is actually a 5060 Ti. he makes a great point, the 80 series, with inflation factored in should be about $850 dollars in today's pricing, but even bigger the performance upgrade should also be much higher; historically 80 series cards were generally 40% to 60% faster than previous gen, and this went on for years and years, anywhere from 40% to 70% performance upgrade between 80 series gens, but this year it' only 12% to 15% faster AND more expensive

WTF


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezk99o67Mh4
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Yeah, sadly this has been eroding for some time now.
 
Love the graph he made, it's spot on. Basically in today's dollars the 5080 should really be selling for $850, and it should be a 40% to 50% performance upgrade over previous gen 4080. Because that's the way historically it's been trending for over a decade plus.


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MavericK said:
I guess my thinking was that if you already had enough to buy a $2K card, you've probably already got a fairly decent card and going down to half-ish the performance doesn't make a lot of sense. But I guess there are some rare people out there going from a 20/30 series card to a 5090. 5090 seems more like a halo product for people who already buy halo products, not a product that your average gamer would buy.
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I doubt the 20/30 people going to 50 is going to be rare. Actually I think it'll be a lot of the 50 buyers. 40 to 50 uplift is peanuts, so I think there will be a lot of people like me buying 50 cards. I have a 3090 and I'm disappointed about the uplift, but will buy one anyway because I've been wanting an upgrade for a while. I didn't feel the need for one when Ada Lovelace came out, but now the numbers are making me wish I'd gotten a 4090 a while ago and skipped the 50 series. Too late for that now though and I'm not waiting another 2 years, so 5090 it is.
 
zandor said:
I doubt the 20/30 people going to 50 is going to be rare.
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That's why I specified 5090 - I don't think going from 20/30 to 50 is going to be rare at all - that's what I'd like to do. But I'm guessing a lot more of those people are probably going for a 5080 or lower.
 
It kind of looks like they could have kept producing 4090s and made a good run of it. They would have slotted in right in between the 5080 and 5090 and given people the VRAM they wanted.
 
It will be interesting to see if this generation could be partially saved by overclocking. Someone mentioned a 13% overclock in this thread, if that translates into a similar performance increase it could make the 5080 a bit more tempting.
Maybe undervolting could be a thing as well. As a 3080 owner I'm just trying to cope with this disappointing release, so I'm trying to stay positive.
 
jojo67 said:
Hi. Here 5080 is much slower than 4090, on 1440P. But with MFG 5080 will be faster?View attachment 707106
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5080 will never beat 4090 on pure raster or at 4K because it’s slower at raster, less cores, and less vram to handle high resolutions.

I’m wondering if used 4090 is the way to go or just skip this generation and wait for 6000 series?
 
Did LTT get the charts right this time? Probably marked up 4080 numbers as 4090 or some other mess up. :troll:
 
vjhawk said:
LTT dunks on the 5080. They just can’t get excited about the lackluster performance gains compared to the 4080. This card looks like a hard skip. Maybe the 5070 Ti will be worth. Just waiting on reviews for that card.


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It's a hard skip for the "iCard" crowd that has to always upgrade. Those that skipped on the 40 series, it might be something to look at.

Do I want the "old" (iCard people would say ancient) 40 series? Or should I go ahead and get the latest gen?
 
Frame gen sacrifices quality for quantity. Sacrificing quality for quantity is never, ever, ever good.
 
Well I did make a 5 minute attempt to look for a 5080 at 6am... Then went back to sleep for a couple hours. Not playing the game for a "meh" card.

I did suspect that if the AIB cards were OC 5% or so it might make them a little more palatable. But it's not like that tiny bump suddenly makes it great. It's still going to be behind the 4090, it's going to use even more power to close that gap, and if the AIB card costs more than $1000, it's still a terrible deal against the now unavailable $1600 24GB 4090.
 
jojo67 said:
Ok must wait for tommorow and i will try fast as i can buy 5080 or 5090. Depend of prize.
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so you're finally going to get a new GPU after years of worrying about the next big GPU/CPU releases...hopefully you don't sell a kidney to buy a 5090
 
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Out of all Techpowerup AIB reviews Asus Astral has the best performance and OC capabilities.

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Given how overall performance is not much slower compared to 4090 and +11% OC it fares well for overall performance after OC.
That said for 16GB card price is totally bonkers.

It does however look very promising for eventually faster 5080 Ti / Super with 24GB memory.
If process node improves and/or more voltage is used Nvidia will have option to make something comparable to 4090 to fill giant price and specs gap between 5080 and 5090.
 
You know you can overclock the 4090 as well... So if you have 1600 and you are thinking between a 1400-1500 5080 vs. 4090, I would take a 4090 every single time.
 
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