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I assume they want to get rid of some of the current supply, first. In fact, I think the current 4070 is going away. It is rumored to be replaced by a 4070 with standard GDDR6. And then the 4070 Super will Supersede the current 4070.
Well theoretically it should 'supersede' the 4070 Ti. At last that's the rumors I've been seeing/hearing. That it will be a bigger part of AD103.
CES I would guess
None of us did. It's not your fault. You're not making decisions for nVidia.
Oct-Dec is a big consumer spending cycle, Jan-April not so much. Things die after Boxing Day and don’t pick back up till Easter.
Yes, I think the combo of wider memory bus, More VRAM, and more similar shader counts; will make the performance a wash. Seems like the 4070 ti may then be phased out or at least drastically lowered in production amounts. Kind of like what they did with 1660 Super and 1660 Ti.
Yeah if Super refresh of 4070 Ti is AD103 where its maybe almost a 4080 for much less, that will be good.
Yeah, there are still millions of units of ampere in warehouses rotting.... units, not $$$'s. Unless the 3060/70 series somehow magically took over the steam hardware survey list in the last 6-9 months that I haven't heard of. (or insert other metric here)
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Interesting question.....Had a long discussion about exactly that today.
I think there would be room for a 4070 Super on the 103 with ~8704 shaders enabled, they should have a small stockpile of silicon that didn't pass binning for a 4080, which would let it trade blows with the 7900xt. Price it around $850 or so and that wouldn't be the worst pile of garbage on the market, gonna have to work really hard to unseat the 4060...
Yeah some sites were saying the ban was not going through because the card wasn't listed on some filing Nvidia made but it was then later confirmed that the card was in fact banned and that the effective date remained the same as November 17th. Retailers are doing their best to meet China's demand before then at some insane prices, things will settle down after CES.
IMHO, will never happen. AD102 drives too much money. The only way it’ll be that is if there is tons of AD102 chips lying around that have a lot of defects that they can cut down. And something tells me that the yields are too good for that.
Nvidia has already let their customers know the AI Blackwell parts start shipping in Spring 2024 and they trounce the Ada parts nobody who hasn’t received Ada and can wait wants Ada at this point.
I believe it is the 4060 ti 16gb that could be phased out
Could be, there is a price for the 4070-4070super that just remove the 4060TI out of the equation if they want (at least if they keep the current price of the 4060TI 16gb do not need to make more of them), same for the 4070ti super and the regular 4080 and the 4080 super the only one that can compete with the first 5000 series (if they follow the 80-90 launch first) will be low volume if they use perfect AD103 like the rumors.
I think "perfect" 103 goes to China, and 102 for everybody else. China was gobbling up the 102's but they aren't even allowed in the country anymore, so Nvidia needs its AIBs to shift all production for any product using a 102 out of China, so new packaging, new assembly, new shipping all new facilities. Use a 4080 Super using a 102 as a test bed for the new supply chain, because if rumors for the Blackwell chips are true and the restrictions hold then Nvidia won't be able to sell anything more powerful than a 5070TI up that way.
Maybe they will be forced to "burn" 102 on a 4080 instead of RTX5000-6000-L40-4090, but I would imagine they would much prefer use the 103 if they can, if over time they stocked and with the process maturing getting perfect die got more and more common, 380mm is big but not that big.
And the invites went out just recently to the Brilliant Minds keynote for March 18, register by Feb 7, 2024, and save $300 on the conference rate ...
At this point, this for sure isn't going to happen. Again, AD102 is driving too much money. So much so that 4090 cost is going up. And this is with the shutdown of all sales to China of AD102.
Can't happen due to the bus width of AD103. They're limited to the 8 RAM chips. And there isn't a way for them to double or halve really without bringing up RAM to the amount the 4090 has. I suppose they could bring it up to 24GB, but we haven't known nVidia to not be stingy for at least the last 3 generations (2000 series to present).
Which I think nVidia is also fine with. Theoretically the "best" thing for them to do is introduce my cards into their stack so that they can compete at more specific price points.
Nvidia stopped making the 102s back in August, so all the viable silicon for the 4090s is out there already, China is buying as many of those as they can to get them ahead of the Nov 17 deadline so yeah the price is going up because they are on a buying spree but that is AIB money, not Nvidia money because those chips were already sold.
Hopefully AMD & INTEL $550 & below competition is coming early H2 2024.
That would make zero sense since the vanilla 4080 is already around 75% of the 4090's speed.
Most likely, the 4080 Super will be slightly more $$ than the 4080 is now - and the current 4080 will be discounted a tad to make like they're 'on sale' (when they're already overpriced). The 4080 Super couldn't get 20gb of vram?!? Nvidia are the experts at gimping cards and 'marketing' them as 'advancements.'