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You said rumors, I gave you non-rumor performance data. Is it perfect? No, but it’s what we have until 9/17 and October.Marketing slides = benchmarks?
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You said rumors, I gave you non-rumor performance data. Is it perfect? No, but it’s what we have until 9/17 and October.Marketing slides = benchmarks?
Feel free to substantiate your performance claim.
You said rumors, I gave you non-rumor performance data. Is it perfect? No, but it’s what we have until 9/17 and October.
Jen is banking on those Pascal owners who chose not to spend their money on a 2000 series to finally cave in. It's far more tempting fruit given the large performance gap for a price bracket they are already comfortable with.I like how he said it's time for Pascal owners to upgrade. I mean... maybe? $500 is still a lot and anyone who owns a GTX 1080 is probably still comfortable with it. I was hoping to see the 3060 announced with pricing but nothing. If the RTX 3060 is as fast as the RTX 2080 TI or a bit slower then consoles may have a hard time selling, but that's assuming a lot including pricing. Guess I'll be picking up a used RTX 2070 by Christmas time for cheap.
do you really think they would go so far as to claim 3070 > 2080Ti when it's not so?
Because you can't read.How would that be typical? My 2080 is faster than 1080Ti more often than not.
The benchmarks i've seen are with raytracing enabled. So the 3070 is faster with RTX enabled, but in normal raster performance I think the 2080ti is still faster. The big performance improvement here is on the raytracing side, with another 20-30% bump in raster. So on the RTX side the older cards will be obsolete fast, but not on the normal raster side.So if I get this right the 3070 is faster than a RTX 2080 Ti and $500? Good luck AMD.
This gen th 3070 is on par with the 2080ti. That is the typical launch process. A card runs close to, or better than the one from the previous gen that is one nothc higher in the line up.
Ok....Pascal level performance increase at relatively reasonable prices. I'm impressed. I'm glad he basically called the 3090 a Titan.
2080Ti ($1199 FE) --> 3070 ($499 FE) -- (nvidia says its roughly equal)
2080Ti has a TDP of 260W, 3070 is 220W. Unless there are 0 improvement going from 12nm to 8nm, I’d say that should be enough evidence.Equal at what?
Equal at what?
2080Ti has a TDP of 260W, 3070 is 220W. Unless there are 0 improvement going from 12nm to 8nm, I’d say that should be enough evidence.
They actually claimed slightly higher performance and I would suspect that they are right that the 3070 will be a 2080 ti equivalent. The 3070 has more CUDA cores (5888) vs 2080 TI (4352)... Unless their performance is going backwards per core by a lot it will beat out the 2080 Ti.
There's past precedent that it seems like you're ignoring for the sake of keeping an internet argument going. Nvidia doesn't - to my recollection - have a habit of embellishing marketing slide claims, and then realworld benchmarks telling a drastically different story.Power consumption numbers are a substitute for actual benchmarks?
There's past precedent that it seems like you're ignoring for the sake of keeping an argument going. Nvidia doesn't - to my recollection - have a habit of embellishing marketing slide claims, and then realworld benchmarks telling a drastically different story.
So a company's track record is obviously going to be part of the purchase calculus for many people.
There's past precedent that it seems like you're ignoring for the sake of keeping an internet argument going. Nvidia doesn't - to my recollection - have a habit of embellishing marketing slide claims, and then realworld benchmarks telling a drastically different story.
So a company's track record is obviously going to be part of the purchase calculus for many people.
Feel free to cite examples where Nvidia presentation slides exaggerated performance that wasn't backed by benchmarks.Holy rose colored fucking glasses!
Feel free to cite examples where Nvidia presentation slides claimed performance that wasn't backed by benchmarks.
DF already got the hands on.
There's past precedent that it seems like you're ignoring for the sake of keeping an internet argument going. Nvidia doesn't - to my recollection - have a habit of embellishing marketing slide claims, and then realworld benchmarks telling a drastically different story.
Is it safe to assume right now that 3080ti will be next year? and 3090 is actually the titan replacement? all speculation but $1199, for 3080ti and maybe 16gig of vram instead of 24 like the 3090 right now. Thoughts?
Did you watch the DF video? He didn’t use RT in a bunch of the games he tested. Lowest increase was close to 70% compared to 2080.Every slide I've seen seems intentionally vague in regards to where those performance metrics actually came from. That's almost certainly because the data was cherry-picked. Not false or embellished necessarily. Like the example I gave before of trying to compare the 1080Ti and the 2080 using an RTX benchmark. The 2080 would stomp it, and those numbers would not be "embellished", they would be real, but they would still paint a false picture from the perspective of most gamers if used to represent the card's "performance".
I'm not trying to argue. I hope the new generation is amazing. What I'm really saying is, I'd rather wait for benchmarks than suckle on the marketing teat. Pessimism has generally paid off more for me than latching onto sponsored optimism.
All good, we're all friends here. Maybe it's the kid in me that gets excited about new tech, and the candy-coated marketing is just fun ritual. When AMD has their presentation I'll be rooting for them too because the whole space benefits. I've already got a slot open in my new Hackintosh build for a 6800XT.Not wasting my time with fan boys.They have a history of pulling shenanigans and tricks. I want real benchmarks otherwise your just spitting shit. You could very well be right but I've learned my lesson long time go to wait for 3rd party confirmation.