Zen 3 is rumored to be flaunting monumental IPC gains in early testing

thesmokingman said:
Not sure where you trying to go with this and frankly I don't give a shit k.
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why so cranky?...it's simple, I bought an MSI X570 MAG yesterday because it's been hard to find...but I'd rather get a new Zen 3 board if they launch alongside Zen 3...I was wondering if there were any rumors as to a new chipset or even new X570 boards...why so angry?
 
polonyc2 said:
why so cranky?...it's simple, I bought an MSI X570 MAG yesterday because it's been hard to find...but I'd rather get a new Zen 3 board if they launch alongside Zen 3...I was wondering if there were any rumors as to a new chipset or even new X570 boards...why so angry?
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if they did my guess is it would use an asmedia chipset and so far they haven't proven to be able to make a chipset that directly supports pcie 4.0(case in point the 8 month delayed b550 chipset). so they'll probably stick with x570/b550. maybe we'll see a few updated x570 boards but for the most part even the budget tier boards are over built.
 
sirmonkey1985 said:
if they did my guess is it would use an asmedia chipset and so far they haven't proven to be able to make a chipset that directly supports pcie 4.0
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Sure they have, just look at X570. Sure, it's just a Matisse IOD, but it's still a PCIe 4.0 chipset not made by ASMedia.
 
thesmokingman said:
Zen 3 will work with existing current gen boards, ie. x570 and b550. Previous gen boards will have support but its still somewhat vague, up to mb vendors. The real change over to DDR5, ie. new boards won't arrive till 2022.
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polonyc2 said:
yes I know it's compatible but I was wondering if there were any rumors about new X570 Zen 3 boards launching...
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It's very likely that an X670 chipset would be in the works. Even if its a minor upgrade over the existing X570's. AMD has done this plenty of times in the past, so there is precedent for doing so. I'd be more surprised if they didn't. Now, if AMD doesn't release a new chipset with Zen3, then I'd expect to see revised and updated X570 motherboards with new VRM designs and updated features.
 
Dan_D said:
Now, if AMD doesn't release a new chipset with Zen3, then I'd expect to see revised and updated X570 motherboards with new VRM designs and updated features.
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that's what I was thinking as well...some B550 boards have better features and configurations then X570 so an X570 refresh sounds logical
 
Some of the existing 570 boards have really good power regulation equipped already. Regarding features I can't think of anything else I need that isn't already equipped on the meg ace. Maybe AMD will think of it for me :).
 
Dan_D said:
It's very likely that an X670 chipset would be in the works. Even if its a minor upgrade over the existing X570's. AMD has done this plenty of times in the past, so there is precedent for doing so. I'd be more surprised if they didn't. Now, if AMD doesn't release a new chipset with Zen3, then I'd expect to see revised and updated X570 motherboards with new VRM designs and updated features.
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Yeah, we saw this with the X370 and X470 chips. Same features, same node, but some HW tweaks here and there to reduce power consumption.
 
I wish someone would leak release dates for Zen 3...I was hoping for September but if its Nov/Dec I'm seriously considering just going with a Ryzen 3700X...at 1440p 144hz is Zen 3 worth holding out for?
 
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Hakaba said:
Dropping in market value vs putting money down on research is entirely different.
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Totally agree, problem is research doesn't help Intel right now. The issue is they keep losing money right now. Now, I do not think Intel will be down and out, but they REALLY need to get off their asses and get something out that can compete on all levels.
 
Brackle said:
Totally agree, problem is research doesn't help Intel right now. The issue is they keep losing money right now. Now, I do not think Intel will be down and out, but they REALLY need to get off their asses and get something out that can compete on all levels.
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So, I used to be in the boat that Intel had something up their sleeve. That they were letting AMD do their thing, but ultimately had a line of products to remain relevant. Now... I think they will be playing catch-up for a few years or so.

Things might change if they decide to stop their fabs and start utilizing other chip manufacturers. Not sure though, will need to read up that if it is a design or building problem, or both.

Edit: Looks like it is related to their chipmaking process.
 
I had a chance to sell my i5-8400 for a fair price (even though 9th/10th gen are out) and recover most of the money I spent on it, so I built an x570/r5-3600 as a temporary replacement. I think I'm going to go zen3-8/16 when it comes out if price sub $300 and gaming is much improved. Crossing fingers.....COME ON MICROCENTER :)
 
I doubt the 8/16 cores will be sub 300 at this point with supply and demand in the state it is but one can hope. I'm hoping for a release date before my birthday 12 Oct. so I can con my wife into buying it for me.:)
 
learners permit said:
I doubt the 8/16 cores will be sub 300 at this point with supply and demand in the state it is but one can hope. I'm hoping for a release date before my birthday 12 Oct. so I can con my wife into buying it for me.:)
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I'm end of OCT so I have a little more time :) With my luck, she'll bring me an 8th gen i3 :yuck:
 
Don't forget that and spun off global foundries. Push comes to shove they can leverage their interest in GF to push forward. Also don't be surprised to find amd has a % interest in tsmc through some way or another.
 
Grimlakin said:
Don't forget that and spun off global foundries. Push comes to shove they can leverage their interest in GF to push forward. Also don't be surprised to find amd has a % interest in tsmc through some way or another.
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GlobalFoundries does not have any advanced nodes anymore. They gave up trying to shrink down from 14nm. They don't have a 7nm or 10nm process so AMD cannot leverage them.
 
The fat lady has sung... It's hilarious how Cutress does everything he can to not name these competitors, lmao. It's sad though, no mention of the glue.

Chiplets aren’t new, especially with recent launches from Intel’s competitors, and as we move into more complex process node development, the era of chiplets enables faster time-to-market as well as better binning and yields for a given product. The key is enabling how those chiplets fit together, and at which points it makes sense to mix and match the relevant ones. Intel has spoken about this before in a more generalized context, at its Technology and Manufacturing Day 2017, as shown in the carousel image at the top.
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The only downside here is that Intel hasn’t spoken much about the glue that binds it all together.
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https://www.anandtech.com/show/16021/intel-moving-to-chiplets-client-20-for-7nm
 
tangoseal said:
Are you kidding me?

Intel can just drop 30 billion on new research and SMOKE amd.
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Sure that's Intel's net worth. But it doesn't measure their liquidity. And Intel has been LOSING to AMD in actual sales of consumer level individual CPUs vs preinstalled sales for years now.

When Intel does spend that 30B on RND as you put it... they still have to create the chips. And they have STRUGGLED famously to even get out 10nm technology. That's why they keep rehashing the same chipset on 14nm because they physically CANT produce the goods!

Zen3 won't be the deathblow for Intel. But with a 20% IPC gain and unified octa-core CCD it will seriously BLOW OUT Intel in the current market and dominate consumer sales for the next couple of years at least.

And no I don't want Intel to "Fail". I just recognize they have the INFERIOR product right now and they need to Catch UP big time! They need to hit a HOMERUN on their next series of CPUS just to get back within fighting distance of AMD's current CPU performance.
 
vjhawk said:
Sure that's Intel's net worth. But it doesn't measure their liquidity. And Intel has been LOSING to AMD in actual sales of consumer level individual CPUs vs preinstalled sales for years now.

When Intel does spend that 30B on RND as you put it... they still have to create the chips. And they have STRUGGLED famously to even get out 10nm technology. That's why they keep rehashing the same chipset on 14nm because they physically CANT produce the goods!

Zen3 won't be the deathblow for Intel. But with a 20% IPC gain and unified octa-core CCD it will seriously BLOW OUT Intel in the current market and dominate consumer sales for the next couple of years at least.

And no I don't want Intel to "Fail". I just recognize they have the INFERIOR product right now and they need to Catch UP big time! They need to hit a HOMERUN on their next series of CPUS just to get back within fighting distance of AMD's current CPU performance.
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Its been a little while since I made that comment and yes I agree with what youre saying.
 
tangoseal said:
Its been a little while since I made that comment and yes I agree with what youre saying.
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I was just reading a recent article from an investors POV, purely looking at their fundamentals. What struck me was that they were sitting on $20.8B in cash In March, but as of June 27th it's down to $13B. They are bleeding cash right now.
 
Intel spent $10B on overpriced share buybacks. That's what happens when a finance guy is put in charge of an Engineering based corp. So there's your $10B missing cash that was used to try and artificially prop the stock price up.

fyi - as of last quarter (3rd Q 2020)
Market Cap -
INTC 208.99B
AMD 101.38B

My how the worm has turned.

btw - Market Cap has little meaning in terms of being able to invest in R&D. Free Cash Flow is probably more representative of extra income that could possibly thrown into R&D. In any case, as pointed out - you can throw infinite amounts of cash into a problem and it guarantees nothing. You have to hire the right people and they have to execute the right plan.
 
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I really hope AMD announces something soon or at the very latest by the end of September (formerly Computex)
 
polonyc2 said:
I really hope AMD announces something soon or at the very latest by the end of September (formerly Computex)
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They're releasing Zen 3 in about a month, target is Q3 so not sure what they need to announce. They're pretty damn busy executing PS5/Xbox release, Ryzen 4, and RDNA releases.
 
thesmokingman said:
They're releasing Zen 3 in about a month, target is Q3 so not sure what they need to announce. They're pretty damn busy executing PS5/Xbox release, Ryzen 4, and RDNA releases.
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everything is rumors at this point...could be next month but also could be November...just like Nvidia announced a few weeks ahead of time that Sept 1st is when they would be paper launching Ampere, I was hoping AMD would do the same with Zen 3...with Big Navi also coming soon I'm sure they want to space things out a bit
 
polonyc2 said:
everything is rumors at this point...could be next month but also could be November...just like Nvidia announced a few weeks ahead of time that Sept 1st is when they would be paper launching Ampere, I was hoping AMD would do the same with Zen 3...with Big Navi also coming soon I'm sure they want to space things out a bit
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Dude wtf rumors? Lisa Su has been stating Q3 release for months now, and they're on target.
 
thesmokingman said:
Dude wtf rumors? Lisa Su has been stating Q3 release for months now, and they're on target.
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no...Lisa Su stated by the end of the year...she never once mentioned Q3...you're going by the rumors which have it pegged as September/October...here's Lisa Su herself in her own words...

 
polonyc2 said:
you keep changing your argument...first you said Lisa Su said Q3...I literally showed you a video of her speaking about it...now you're quoting techradar which again is going by rumors...nothing is confirmed except sometime before the end of the year
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WTF are you saying changing my point? We're in the middle of Q3, are you high? So you think end of the year is not part of Q3 so you wanna argue that? There are many articles citing AMD's spokespersons that they're on target.

“AMD confirms that the rumor on ‘Zen 3’ delay is inaccurate,” an AMD spokeswoman said in a statement Wednesday morning.
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https://www.pcworld.com/article/3563048/is-amd-zen-3-delayed-until-2021-nope.html

WTF does this title state?

AMD's popular CEO, Dr. Lisa Su, has confirmed that despite everything going on across the globe right now, both the new Zen 3 CPUs and RDNA 2 graphics cards are on track for launch later this year.
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https://www.pcgamer.com/amd-zen-3-cpu-rdna-2-gpu-on-track-late-2020/
 
thesmokingman said:
WTF are you saying changing my point? We're in the middle of Q3, are you high? So you think end of the year is not part of Q3 so you wanna argue that? There are many articles citing AMD's spokespersons that they're on target.
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dude you don't take people correcting you well I see...again you stated that Lisa Su said Q3...she absolutely never said that...so now instead of just admitting that you were wrong you're switching up the argument to something else...no one is denying that it's going to come out sometime in 2020...that's obvious...
 
polonyc2 said:
dude you don't take people correcting you well I see...again you stated that Lisa Su said Q3...she absolutely never said that...so now instead of just admitting that you were wrong you're switching up the argument to something else...no one is denying that it's going to come out sometime in 2020...that's obvious...
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WTF? Seriously? So now you are onto Q3 or Q4? GFTO! :banghead:
 
And life repeats... Intel was slow and greedy with Pentium. Athlon arrived. AMD pulled ahead and they traded blows. Intel pretended everything was fine and continued down the NetBurst road. AMD solidly bested Intel in the NetBurst years. People pronounced Intels doom. It was over. Done. Green forever!

And then Intel launches the Core 2 series, and everyone bought them. AMD dropped the ball with an awful architecture.

Intel got slow and greedy with 4 core only CPUs. Ryzen arrived. AMD pulled ahead and they traded blows. Intel pretended everything was fine and continued down the 14nm Skylake road. Now AMD stands ready to solidly best Intel in the 14nm years. People are pronouncing Intels doom. They say it’s over. Done. Green forever!

And then Intel launched.....
 
I sold off my newer stuff for a minimal loss hoping that amd or intel delivers something great here cpu wise. I’ve got $1k put up so hopefully they drop something impressive or I’ll wait it out til next year and ddr5
 
Bman123 said:
I sold off my newer stuff for a minimal loss hoping that amd or intel delivers something great here cpu wise. I’ve got $1k put up so hopefully they drop something impressive or I’ll wait it out til next year and ddr5
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We already know Intel won't be, they just launched "new" CPUs. If Ryzen 3 finally passes Intel in gaming, I'm set on finally upgrading. Otherwise I'll keep running this old i5 into the ground until It starts having trouble in games lol.
 
Kardonxt said:
We already know Intel won't be, they just launched "new" CPUs. If Ryzen 3 finally passes Intel in gaming, I'm set on finally upgrading. Otherwise I'll keep running this old i5 into the ground until It starts having trouble in games lol.
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I’m running a i5 3570 with a rtx 2060 super at 1440p and 4k, it performs a lot better then I thought it would. I was using a 3700x and 5700xt and the difference is no where near as huge as I thought it would be with the games that I play.

I do plan on going to ryzen 4000 8 core 16 thread and I probably won’t upgrade that for years as 1440p is such a life saver when it comes to cpu power needed. I’ve had this i5 since 2012 and it’s still doing a good job for what I do
 
I'm in the same boat, I've been itching to upgrade my 6600k, but just don't have a need.

I think a ryzen 4600x or 4700x may be in my future with next gen consoles near release.
 
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