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Can we tax something else that I don't use like guns? I mean, it is the guns killing people not the games.
I see that no one else in this thread (may have missed it, but....) pointed this little jewel out, according to the article, a Republican introduced this bill.
Must be defective.I went to the range last week, why didn’t my guns kill anyone?
I went to the range last week, why didn’t my guns kill anyone?
I went to the range last week, why didn’t my guns kill anyone?
I'm amazed no one mentioned taxing the ONLY thing Directly Linked to School Shootings, GUNS.
But we can't talk reason, lol.
Sorry, that was a little mean spirited. You clearly understand how a web browser works, otherwise you wouldn't be on [H]. Do you genuinely not understand how firearms sales in the U.S. work, as many people don't, or did you ignore how firearm sales work in the U.S. because it didn't fit your narrative?Since Google is hard for you, wtf are you doing on [H] if you can't eve use a web browser, I'll spoon feed it to you. Link to AFT firearms tax: https://www.atf.gov/firearms/firear...rearms-ammunition-and-implements-war-firearms
I see that no one else in this thread (may have missed it, but....) pointed this little jewel out, according to the article, a Republican introduced this bill.
I'd rather be taxed than see them removed from sale.
Wrong! It's the person that kills. The gun is inanimate.Can we tax something else that I don't use like guns? I mean, it is the guns killing people not the games.
Can we tax something else that I don't use like guns? I mean, it is the guns killing people not the games.
Why not push legislation that forces retailers to check ID and verify the age of the buyer of said ESRB rated games...no different than carding someone for tobacco or alcohol purchases?
Adding a tax doesn't solve the "problem", imo.
I see that no one else in this thread (may have missed it, but....) pointed this little jewel out, according to the article, a Republican introduced this bill.
Pretty sure that is already law, at least in CA. Or maybe it is store policy at Gamestop/Best Buy/Frys and pretty much every other retailer. I got flagged for an ID many years ago.
Store policy is not law. I needed to show ID to buy Counter-Strike: Condition Zero at Target 15 years ago. It was the first and only time that happened.Pretty sure that is already law, at least in CA. Or maybe it is store policy at Gamestop/Best Buy/Frys and pretty much every other retailer. I got flagged for an ID many years ago.
And recall the Democrat who tried to outright ban them in CA. As it happened back then, this bill will go nowhere. But at least this Republican doesn't deal with weapon trafficking to terrorists unlike said Democrat.
Neither party or even the average person is very friendly in regards to video games.
Yeah, I agree that meds don’t address the main issue.
This is really a good point, and I wish people would really think about this more. I've realized what the real issue is here - stupid people don't know how to guide, channel, or lead, only suppress.
I blame the Earth for providing the metals to make the gun/bullets.i blame gun powder.
/s
To blame drugs for people shooting everyone up is also silly. “Side effects may include mass homicidal tendencies...”Actually there is a growing mountain of evidence that meds ARE the main issue of these mass shootings. Mass shootings weren't a thing until they started being widely used.
I blame the Earth for providing the metals to make the gun/bullets.
Wrong! It's the person that kills. The gun is inanimate.
Guys.. and girls guns just make it a hell of a lot easier to kill effectively and at range. We need better controls and resposibility around who has them. My suggestion require all guns to be insured for liability. The insurance companies will protect their profits and establish rules of gun ownership for cheaper insurance. This will promote technology and solutions be created that fit this. No new restricts on gun laws are needed. Just some up front investment on an insurable solution to own guns. Someone steals your gun and commits a crime and it's been greater that xx hours since your gun was stolen that you didn't report it... you're liable for their actions as well.
But to get back to video games.. How are they going to do this. A state tax would go nowhere fast as people would just drive across a border to get better deals or order online from somewhere that used an honor system for taxes. A federal tax would never pass currently. I don't think there is much to fear from this other than calling out a idiot on being stupid.
Current popular shooters are nowhere near realistic so they can't even use that any more. (I'm looking at fornite.)
Guys.. and girls guns just make it a hell of a lot easier to kill effectively and at range. We need better controls and resposibility around who has them. My suggestion require all guns to be insured for liability. The insurance companies will protect their profits and establish rules of gun ownership for cheaper insurance. This will promote technology and solutions be created that fit this. No new restricts on gun laws are needed. Just some up front investment on an insurable solution to own guns. Someone steals your gun and commits a crime and it's been greater that xx hours since your gun was stolen that you didn't report it... you're liable for their actions as well.
But to get back to video games.. How are they going to do this. A state tax would go nowhere fast as people would just drive across a border to get better deals or order online from somewhere that used an honor system for taxes. A federal tax would never pass currently. I don't think there is much to fear from this other than calling out a idiot on being stupid.
Current popular shooters are nowhere near realistic so they can't even use that any more. (I'm looking at fornite.)
Four members of Pennsylvania’s House of Representatives are supporting a 10% tax on mature-rated video games: House Bill 2705 proposes a tax that is “imposed on each separate sale at retail of video games which have an adults-only rating or mature rating according to the rating system established by the [ESRB].” ........................
Are all games and apps required to have a rating?
The rating system is voluntary, although virtually all video games that are sold at retail or downloaded to a game system in the U.S. and Canada are rated by the ESRB.
Can we tax something else that I don't use like guns? I mean, it is the guns killing people not the games.
So your solution is to give insurance companies more money? What controls the rates? Mass shootings make my insurance go up? Someone steals my gun and commits a crime, however rare the scenario is, is the crime not the person who committed it not who bought the gun?
That should place across everything then, I steal your car and run someone over, you are liable as well. Should have secured your car better.
Also I agree, video games are not realistic shooters, never have been. I played shooters for a good 20 years before I got to fire my first gun. Nothing I did with a keyboard and mouse in call of duty was of any use to me at the range the first time.
To blame drugs for people shooting everyone up is also silly. “Side effects may include mass homicidal tendencies...”
Wow just wow.Guys.. and girls guns just make it a hell of a lot easier to kill effectively and at range. We need better controls and resposibility around who has them. My suggestion require all guns to be insured for liability. The insurance companies will protect their profits and establish rules of gun ownership for cheaper insurance. This will promote technology and solutions be created that fit this. No new restricts on gun laws are needed. Just some up front investment on an insurable solution to own guns. Someone steals your gun and commits a crime and it's been greater that xx hours since your gun was stolen that you didn't report it... you're liable for their actions as well.
But to get back to video games.. How are they going to do this. A state tax would go nowhere fast as people would just drive across a border to get better deals or order online from somewhere that used an honor system for taxes. A federal tax would never pass currently. I don't think there is much to fear from this other than calling out a idiot on being stupid.
Current popular shooters are nowhere near realistic so they can't even use that any more. (I'm looking at fornite.)
IMO, they are already taxed too much as it is. Rights shouldn't be taxed, which is why poll taxes were outlawed. It's the same reason you aren't taxed for free speech or a govt. appointed attorney. If you place an artificial financial barrier in front of a right, then you restrict that right - which means it's not really a right any more. They should tax video games before rights, not that I think approving taxes on video games is a good idea either, but in order of hierarchy...Can we tax something else that I don't use like guns? I mean, it is the guns killing people not the games.
If someone steals your car and it is outside of a time window and kills someone with your car by accident or purpose then yea you're liable because at that point you loaned them the car and your insurance is on the line. That's how it is today. Not that you will do jail time but you get the idea.
Guns are designed to kill. Period end of story. If someone uses your gun to kill someone because you didn't properly secure it (easily prove able) and didn't report it missing in time (if was outside of the allotted time frames.) Then yea you're liable.
And insurance will do all it can to limit that liability for you making ti less expensive for them as well.
You have a case where that happened? Someone stole a car and then the owner was held responsible?
No, insurance will just profit off of it. They aren't there for you, they exist for themselves and they were able to get legislation to require them (great business solution). I looked up the leading causes of death in the US (2016 data), tell me which ones taxes and insurance are solving?
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/2017/019.pdf
- Heart disease: 635,260
- Cancer: 598,038
- Accidents (unintentional injuries): 161,374
- Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 154,596
- Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 142,142
- Alzheimer’s disease: 116,103
- Diabetes: 80,058
- Influenza and pneumonia: 51,537
- Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 50,046
- Intentional self-harm (suicide): 44,965
I get it, you hate guns and are scared of them. Fine, stay away from them. But don't try and legislate what you have no clue about. Personally I think your right to free speech should be removed because it could lead to violence. See how that works?
I prefer to carry around protection, no one else is responsible for my safety only myself. Legislate an insurance and sometimes guns fall into a lake, very sad.
Right but when you perceive a threat against someone and deploy your self protection. And kill multiple individuals where you went because you felt threatened by them. That was a preventable series of deaths because you lost your mind.
Now... the only reason you carry a hand gun is to protect yourself. What if your gun couldn't be fired by anyone but you. It has to be armed with something like a fingerprint sensor on your phone. Now risk of someone else grabbing your weapon and deploying it without your permission or will to do harm is all but eliminated except in more outlandish examples. It prevents death. It also is an additional step before you can start firing it as well that takes little time but maybe causes a quarter of a second more consideration to the need to actually kill whomever you're drawing down on.
In some rare case that less than a quarter of a second MAY pose heightened risk. Fine we account for that by having exceptions to laws for specific roles or needs with additional vetting to try and limit the chances of their firearms being used without their consent by a unstable person.
This leads to a reduction in deaths by handguns altogether. I fail to see the problem with this.
Back to video games which this thread is about... in connection to mass shootings. I think today it is LESS likely to be an issue.
Right but when you perceive a threat against someone and deploy your self protection. And kill multiple individuals where you went because you felt threatened by them. That was a preventable series of deaths because you lost your mind.
Now... the only reason you carry a hand gun is to protect yourself. What if your gun couldn't be fired by anyone but you. It has to be armed with something like a fingerprint sensor on your phone. Now risk of someone else grabbing your weapon and deploying it without your permission or will to do harm is all but eliminated except in more outlandish examples. It prevents death. It also is an additional step before you can start firing it as well that takes little time but maybe causes a quarter of a second more consideration to the need to actually kill whomever you're drawing down on.
In some rare case that less than a quarter of a second MAY pose heightened risk. Fine we account for that by having exceptions to laws for specific roles or needs with additional vetting to try and limit the chances of their firearms being used without their consent by a unstable person.
This leads to a reduction in deaths by handguns altogether. I fail to see the problem with this.
Back to video games which this thread is about... in connection to mass shootings. I think today it is LESS likely to be an issue.
Right but when you perceive a threat against someone and deploy your self protection. And kill multiple individuals where you went because you felt threatened by them. That was a preventable series of deaths because you lost your mind.
Now... the only reason you carry a hand gun is to protect yourself. What if your gun couldn't be fired by anyone but you. It has to be armed with something like a fingerprint sensor on your phone. Now risk of someone else grabbing your weapon and deploying it without your permission or will to do harm is all but eliminated except in more outlandish examples. It prevents death. It also is an additional step before you can start firing it as well that takes little time but maybe causes a quarter of a second more consideration to the need to actually kill whomever you're drawing down on.