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NON FE Prices for RTX cards on my side of the world, inclusive of tax and VAT:
Cheapest 2080 = 900$
ASUS STRIX 2080 = 1250$
Cheapest 2080Ti = 1300$
ASUS STRIX 2080Ti = 1750$
These aren't even FEs. Who are going to buy these?
NON FE Prices for RTX cards on my side of the world, inclusive of tax and VAT:
Cheapest 2080 = 900$
ASUS STRIX 2080 = 1250$
Cheapest 2080Ti = 1300$
ASUS STRIX 2080Ti = 1750$
These aren't even FEs. Who are going to buy these?
Did you guys get put in the nvidia timeout box and not sent a card for early review?
Founders Edition is Nvidia's way of unilaterally raising the price of their cards while claiming a lower MSRP. "The MSRP of the GTX 1070 is $379. It's not our fault that all of them start at $449."You do realize FE is just nVidia's fancy way of saying reference and that these cards are quite a bit better right? I'm not saying the price is fair, but them being more expensive than FE shouldn't be a surprise.
It's a good thing they didn't sign it, or they'd be force to kiss Nvidia's ass like all other reviewers are doing... Right?Kyle didn't sign the NDA.
It doesn't look like they are kissing Nvidia's ass? Maybe in their reviews using the slowest 1080ti might be Nvidias doing, but who knows.It's a good thing they didn't sign it, or they'd be force to kiss Nvidia's ass like all other reviewers are doing... Right?
https://www.dsogaming.com/news/nvid...in-order-to-receive-confidential-information/
It is at least 70% overpriced as is. Nvidia has gone the way of Apple and jacked up their prices and only provided a minimal amount of performance with the promise of innovation at some point in the future if game devs ever release anything to take advantage of it. I'd be tempted at $750 but am not even remotely leaning towards a purchase for anything more than that. I predict that by Christmas we might see more realistic pricing on these cards, particularly with crypto in the toilet.
now that benchmarks are out do you guys think prices on used 1080 ti's will go higher? right now they are about $500.
I said used...You mean used prices? Because new are more like $700. Unless the price of new 1080Ti's move, I wouldn't expect used ones to shift much.
Had Nvidia released the 2080Ti at $749 and the 2080 at $599 they could have at least avoided all the negative press they are currently receiving concerning cost. Doing so may have reduced initial profits, but it would have resulted in a LOT more product sales over time and would have kept supply channels flowing. Their stock has taken a good hit because of this as well. It will be interesting to see what they do with pricing in 2-3 months once the initial wave of pre-orders has been filled and the supply channels fill back up with very few folks wanting what they are selling at the prices as they are. I'm thinking they'll be forced to drop prices in order to get things moving again, even if AMD isn't there with a competing product yet.
You do realize FE is just nVidia's fancy way of saying reference and that these cards are quite a bit better right? I'm not saying the price is fair, but them being more expensive than FE shouldn't be a surprise.
Had Nvidia released the 2080Ti at $749 and the 2080 at $599 they could have at least avoided all the negative press they are currently receiving concerning cost. Doing so may have reduced initial profits, but it would have resulted in a LOT more product sales over time and would have kept supply channels flowing. Their stock has taken a good hit because of this as well. It will be interesting to see what they do with pricing in 2-3 months once the initial wave of pre-orders has been filled and the supply channels fill back up with very few folks wanting what they are selling at the prices as they are. I'm thinking they'll be forced to drop prices in order to get things moving again, even if AMD isn't there with a competing product yet.
Good video I just watched
And I say 2 years because Nvidia will not release another product refresh in a year just to compete with themselves again and be left with a huge stock of unsold turings like now.
Does ATI have anything coming to compete with this ? A next gen Radeon card?
Sorry I mean AMD and whatever they call their high-end cards today?
I don't think Nvidia took currency changes around the world into consideration.
You do realize FE is just nVidia's fancy way of saying reference and that these cards are quite a bit better right? I'm not saying the price is fair, but them being more expensive than FE shouldn't be a surprise.
Had Nvidia released the 2080Ti at $749 and the 2080 at $599 they could have at least avoided all the negative press they are currently receiving concerning cost. Doing so may have reduced initial profits, but it would have resulted in a LOT more product sales over time and would have kept supply channels flowing. Their stock has taken a good hit because of this as well. It will be interesting to see what they do with pricing in 2-3 months once the initial wave of pre-orders has been filled and the supply channels fill back up with very few folks wanting what they are selling at the prices they are asking. I'm thinking they'll be forced to drop prices in order to get things moving again, and that's even if AMD isn't there with any form of a competing product yet. I simply don't see folks wanting to dish out $800 for a 2080 that basically has the same performance as a 1080Ti. (It's not like you would even notice a ~3% increase) And the cost of the 2080Ti is pretty much bonkers given the ~35% performance increase @4K gaming and even less at normal gaming resolutions.
There's finally a V-Ray bench for the RTX 2080, and unfortunately it's not much faster than 780 Ti and barely better than a 1070 Ti considering the tech involved. Man that's disappointing to see, the only conclusion that could explain this low performance is that Chaosgroup needs to refine software for the tensor cores.
Found this link on reddit, DLSS makes things blurrier?
https://www.kitguru.net/components/...idia-rtx-2080-founders-edition-8gb-review/13/
note this is from the benchmark, maybe in games it will be different....
So yeah, intuitively you will get a more blurry image as it only samples half the pixels (and the AI is not perfect).
I don't think V-ray is using the tensor and RTX cores. Future update maybe?
Digital foundry and the article you quote seemed to think DLSS looked better than TAA. They found it renders at 1440p which is indeed slightly less than half and then upscales.
What I am curious about is whether this holds true in real gameplay where you can move around. Both of the DLSS demos have been with locked camera paths and settings designed to show off DLSS in the best light. There's simply not enough info right now to know if it works.
That said, I'm probably stepping up to a 2080 via the evga program. Due to ebay bucks and other discounts I'm getting 740 of step up value for $600 out of pocket. I can eat $10 + shipping and gamble that DLSS will be good. According to the website I might have to wait a few months for stock in the step up program but it doesn't look like there will be many RTX or DLSS games for a couple months yet so my new 1080 ti will do just fine. Kicking myself for not buying when 1080 tis were like $550 new but $600 isn't too bad.
Good video I just watched
Why step up and pay more for pretty much the same performance? 2080 is pretty much the same as a 1080Ti. From what little we have seen with ray tracing it pretty much needs the power of the 2080Ti so your down to gambling DLSS is worth it.
Yeah, it does look great. I think it's amazing tech, don't get me wrong. Was just trying to shed some light on how it works.Digital foundry and the article you quote seemed to think DLSS looked better than TAA. They found it renders at 1440p which is indeed slightly less than half and then upscales.