Don't Expect New GeForce GPU for a Long Time

lazz said:
GTX 580 release: November 9, 2010
GTX 680 release: March 22, 2012 (16 months)
GTX 780 release: May 23, 2013 (13 months)
GTX 980 release: September 18, 2014 (16 months)
GTX 1080 release: May 27, 2016 (20 months)

We're already past 24 months, and it'll be another 3 until launch at least (August rumoured for panel at Hot Chips 30).

This kind of delay in the market is unprecedented.

The big problem with this is that it stalls out mainstream cards, which is where devs focus most of their time/effort as most people run these cards. Longer delays between generations means slower adoption of the entry and mainstream segments for new tech like higher resolutions, high refresh, asynch techs, etc. etc. Which means slower widespread support for those features from devs.
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Sometime soon is "relative" So announcement at Hot Chips, and November delivery I bet.

Big companies never show their cards unless sales are lagging. If they release information too soon about next gen products, current inventory suffers and they have to sell at a discount (Inventory write down) because everybody will wait for the next new thing. In other words, "Don't you believe it." Smug mug has a tendency to bend the truth.
 
Checking current prices on 1080Ti cards.... still too expensive.

I think I'll take a cruise instead.
 
Well this sucks. I keep straddling (ha, straddling) the fence on buying a new GPU thinking new ones are coming out but they just keep getting pushed back. I've got a Strix Vega 64 sitting in my Newegg cart right now ($650 + Far Cry 5) but can't make myself pull the trigger. Ugh, I might as well. Can't get more concrete then the company outright saying, "a long time".
 
Nvidia already have Volta in the wings, so they could release new cards for gamers fairly quickly. I think it comes down to what has been said in earlier posts, that Nvidia has no reason to release Volta gaming cards at this time because the 1080Ti already beats the competition !! Its that simple. If/when AMD release a new more powerful GPU, such as the 7nm Vega, that might make Nvidia release their latest GPU.
 
Chebsy said:
Nvidia already have Volta in the wings, so they could release new cards for gamers fairly quickly. I think it comes down to what has been said in earlier posts, that Nvidia has no reason to release Volta gaming cards at this time because the 1080Ti already beats the competition !! Its that simple. If/when AMD release a new more powerful GPU, such as the 7nm Vega, that might make Nvidia release their latest GPU.
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I agree. Vega is competitive with Nvidia right now that they're down to around $600 but they're not better. If Nvidia's 2 year old cards are just as good as AMD's newest cards, guess there ain't much reason to bring out anything new for a while.
 
Chebsy said:
Nvidia already have Volta in the wings, so they could release new cards for gamers fairly quickly. I think it comes down to what has been said in earlier posts, that Nvidia has no reason to release Volta gaming cards at this time because the 1080Ti already beats the competition !! Its that simple. If/when AMD release a new more powerful GPU, such as the 7nm Vega, that might make Nvidia release their latest GPU.
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Then it is simple there won't be a new videocard ever ;)
 
Chebsy said:
Nvidia already have Volta in the wings, so they could release new cards for gamers fairly quickly. I think it comes down to what has been said in earlier posts, that Nvidia has no reason to release Volta gaming cards at this time because the 1080Ti already beats the competition !! Its that simple. If/when AMD release a new more powerful GPU, such as the 7nm Vega, that might make Nvidia release their latest GPU.
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You people are expecting too much from a 7nm Vega. It is still over a year away and might reach 1080ti speed while still taken more power. Should get the heat under control and not need a AIO for it tho.
 
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nVidia doesn't seem to follow the news. Intel slacked and AMD caught them with their pants down with new CPUs.
I've heard a rumor that a 3rd GPU manufacturer is planning to enter the market...
This is good, gives the bottom players a chance to catch up. I mean, I want a new 2080Ti or whatever card, but I also want some competition.
 
TimberVD said:
No they won't. People will remember how nvidia future proofed their 1080Ti and how, like the 8800 GTX will be their best card/investment ever. People are funny that way. When and if Nvidia launches their next high end GeForce, most likely it will be still riding that wave of consumer confidence. No one will remember GPP except some bitter people on some obscure forums.
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Intel did that with their latest CPU's. It took me a long time to upgrade from my 2600K. My son bought the upgrade for me (Birthday last year). Otherwise, I'd still be rocking it.

I have no reason to upgrade. I won't be buying a new card until they release something better. Lost sales? Maybe. But, so many people with older cards are upgrading still. The 10 series is very awesome and a worthy upgrade.

This news just has me shopping for my son. I was going to wait and pass down a 1070 to him, but not anymore.
 
TimberVD said:
No one will remember GPP except some bitter people on some obscure forums.
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I didn't know [H] was "some obscure forum" :\
I assure you I won't be forgetting about GPP.

Stoly said:
Its been years since I've been hearing "when/if AMD releases a card that compete with Nvidia, blah, blah, blah... At this point I don't think its going to happen. I think Intel may have a competing product but even then it won't dethrone nvidia, at least not in its first try.
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What Nebell said is basically what I was going to respond with....
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nVidia doesn't seem to follow the news. Intel slacked and AMD caught them with their pants down with new CPUs.
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As that's pretty much the same situation. The majority of us had hoped for AMD to come back with something capable to compete with Intel, but otherwise had written them off as not having anything that would... And yet here we are with Ryzen in so many of our computers, happy as a pig in shit!

Su has taken the same initiative and applied it to the GPU team. Vega 7nm is I suspect a step to show the effort being made, but that it'll probably be Navi where we see more of those efforts materialize. I don't see it fully happening with Navi because it's been in the pipe for awhile now, but I anticipate revisions already underway to get it where they need it to be competitive.

At the end of the day I think we can say that hope is not lost for Radeon, as Ryzen is proof that they can make a comeback!
 
vegeta535 said:
You people are expecting too much from a 7nm Vega. It is still over a year away and might reach 1080ti speed while still taken more power. Should get the heat under control and not need a AIO for it tho.
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Im not expecting anything of the 7nm Vega, it might clock higher and use a bit less power, but I only suggested that it may be a reason for Nvidia to release their next GPU.
 
If they were using the extra time to do something impressive and amazing I wouldn't care if they took another year. As it is, they're just going to sit on Volta, pop it out when it's advantageous to them, and that's that. Not that Volta is likely a bad part or anything. It's going to be a decent upgrade from what we have now. However, it would be REALLY cool if they spent some more time on design, took all of the recent movement in things like Raytracing into account, tuned the next round to really push that sort of thing, and wow everyone. Unfortunately for us, they aren't in the business of wowing gamers anymore. They're in the business of wowing corporations, and then trickling that off to us later.
 
DigitalGriffin said:
Sometime soon is "relative" So announcement at Hot Chips, and November delivery I bet.

Big companies never show their cards unless sales are lagging. If they release information too soon about next gen products, current inventory suffers and they have to sell at a discount (Inventory write down) because everybody will wait for the next new thing. In other words, "Don't you believe it." Smug mug has a tendency to bend the truth.
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Ding ding, this guy gets it. "Not for a long time" is the right statement from a business standpoint. It doesn't freeze current sales like the-next-iPhone effect, and it lowers the bar so when it happens sooner then it'll appear as overdelivering and ahead of schedule.
 
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Well fud. Come on AMD, force their hand! We're begging you. DO SOMETHING!
 
People actually believe him?

Why on Earth would he kill sales by announcing a new product only a few months away?

You think business leaders get into their positions by being transparent and truthful all the time?

They've probably been sitting on this new product line for like 6 months now.
 
TimberVD said:
No they won't. People will remember how nvidia future proofed their 1080Ti and how, like the 8800 GTX will be their best card/investment ever. People are funny that way. When and if Nvidia launches their next high end GeForce, most likely it will be still riding that wave of consumer confidence. No one will remember GPP except some bitter people on some obscure forums.

But the last part of yourpost kind of sounds like you desperately want AMD to make you a card that's worth anything to replace your nvidia card that you had to buy because AMD sucked. Which is admirable, but thing is, AMD won't release another competitive high end card, probably ever
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Ngreedia "future proofed" a product, the 1080Ti..........AHAHAHAHAHA
They (Nv) have never ever future proofed any product they have ever released IMHO.

6xxx-7xxx (good cards this generation though in some cases)8xxx big time solder issues (motherboards as well)
this carried forth to the 9xxx generation.
2xx(radeon 4xxx actually punched Nv face this generation along with some QC issues)
4xx series shortlived and crazy hot running
5xx "better" but had similar heat issues
6xx was a refined mostly "fixed" 5xx
7xx seemingly good "for the most part"
9xx overall were "ok" nothing spectacular nothing crappy either
(many ways Nv fk people over by way they forced performance obsolsence and not give people what they paid for in gb of memory which made me LMFAO, and people still gladly pay Nv big bucks to bend them over)

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IMO point period simple the only "future proof" Nv has ever done or cared about doing is do the least, sell for the most and ensure they have room to fk around with software, pay devs off to make their stuff look "faster than it actually is", use lowest quality of component selection (minimum spec)

lo and behold a "new generation comes out" and driver release makes previous generation tend to slow down and/or perform worse than it should 1/2 convincing people to go out and buy the "latest and greatest" (like Apple and many Android makers now do the same)

they build for the "now" (not give full fat version for advanced features such as tessellation engine or whatever)
and should they feel the need to do so they will release a "new" product that destroys any potential value of their previous product if it means or would only mean more $$$$$$$ in their pocket.

They absolutely do NOT look at "future" support of their product, they look at the NOW and only the NOW, which means that lets say in 8-10 months from now that Vulkan or DX12 or whatever is "deemed" to be in high demand they absolutely will release a "new" product that is a fully enabled version of their "current" product and find ways to convince consumers that "this is the one to have" instead of supporting those same "features" in current products (which they very well could have easily done, but refuse/refused to do)

Am sure if Nv had it their way (if the laws allowed) they would make their products self destruct into unusable sludge they exact second the warranty expired.

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IMO at least AMD tries to put as much as they possibly can into each and every product they make (CPU-GPU-APU) in regards to features supported, component selection etc, are they bulletproof perfect, no nothing is.

in other words Nv gives the minimum they possibly can and expect the biggest to purchase price (even if it cost them that much less than previous generation or 2)
Radeons 99% of the time are the other way around (to me) that are underpricing themselves to keep fairly priced considering they are that much more expensive to produce (type of memory, component selection, transistor count/design) etc.
 
lazz said:
GTX 580 release: November 9, 2010
GTX 680 release: March 22, 2012 (16 months)
GTX 780 release: May 23, 2013 (13 months)
GTX 980 release: September 18, 2014 (16 months)
GTX 1080 release: May 27, 2016 (20 months)

We're already past 24 months, and it'll be another 3 until launch at least (August rumoured for panel at Hot Chips 30)
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NO architecture change between 680 and 780..
https://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/05/23/nvidia_geforce_gtx_780_video_card_review/1

..you might think the 780 card implies a new generation of GPU. However, the GeForce GTX 780 is not a new generation, nor is it a new architecture.
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The time between Kyle's 680 review and 980 review when there was an architectural change was just a few days short of 2.5 years or 30 months

This kind of delay in the market is unprecedented.
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Not yet.. but getting there.
 
In my entirely unqualified and unsubstantiated option, The 1180 is probably finalized and sellable but Nvidia is using the lack of pressure to iron out any manufacturing issues like yields, defects etc.

Why push yourself if you don't have to? Rushing this stuff to market is how we end up with bios flash unlocks and whatnot.
 
alamox said:
AMD doesn't release any new GPU because they don't have enough money.
And Nvidia doesn't because they have too much money.
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They don't release anything because the processes aren't ready yet. It's why we're all waiting. This is the way things are now; multi-year waits
 
Well it's already a fact that they're going to talk in depth about their next generation of cards at Hot Chips. And they don't usually do a deep dive until after a card is released not before. I would say worst case scenario is the next generation is released right before Hot Chips.
 
The problem with this is, they are loosing potential PC gamers. If this kind of thing keeps up, it's going to hurt PC gaming.
 
Formula.350 said:
I didn't know [H] was "some obscure forum" :\
I assure you I won't be forgetting about GPP.
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And I assure you it will quickly be forgotten. I think [H] is the only forum that brings up the topic every now and then.
 
But I wanted some new minin, errr, gaming cards.... :)

I thought there was a release in July? 2080 or something? I could not hear the video.
So when will the next flagship come out?
 
AMD Ryzen said:
NO architecture change between 680 and 780..
The time between Kyle's 680 review and 980 review when there was an architectural change was just a few days short of 2.5 years or 30 months
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Right you are, both Kepler arch. However the 780 brought over 20% gains on average compared to the 680, and the 770 narrowly beat a stock 680.

I care less about the arch than I do the performance jump. If there had been a 1000 series refresh bringing that kind of performance last fall, no one would blink at this current timeline for the 1100 series.
 
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Fair enough. Message to Jensen: Don't expect any money from me for a long time.
 
NV has a new chip design in the bag.. Yes we all know that cause they have been selling them for machine learning and auto crap.

If AMD releases a one up part NV can get a new card out within a few months. So why rush one now ?

Just goes to show... as consumers its always best to support competition. The only way I buy Nvidia for my next GPU is if it really is half the price or something. I'm a mid range card guy I know it... as long as the mid range AMD card is close to = I'll be going that way. Truth is AMDs mid range cards have been pretty equivalent for a long time now... stock issues and AMDs superior compute has kept their price just to high for game only purchases.

Hopefully their upcoming refresh / die shrink whatever it is round of AMD cards fills shelves at actual MSRP. At MSRP AMDs cards are actually very compelling. Their open source support is much better if your an alt OS person... and FreeSync should be compelling for the windows only types. Freesync monitors are priced better, are more widely available and is even starting to ship on a handful of TVs.

What we really need is at least a third GPU player. With just two... they are both happy in their market roles. NV is selling to gamers, AMD is selling to Pro users and miners. Hopefully with mining slowing down AMD will get their heads back in the consumer market.

Now to leave with a semi joke.... Anyone have odds on Intel shipping a GPU before NV replaces the 1080ti ? lol
 
1_rick said:
Mmm, yes, and everyone said that about their CPUs for years, too, and then 2017 happened.
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Yeah, but not competitive in the sense where it really was a shift in the market. Just yeah, sure its kinda close for the pricepoint, but not enough to make every jump. Kinda miss the good old days of GPUs when it was back and forth for so long.
 
R_Type said:
They don't release anything because the processes aren't ready yet. It's why we're all waiting. This is the way things are now; multi-year waits
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not really TSMC had a revision of the node which they called 12nm, Nvidia could have released a line up using it, that would still be 15% faster, but they only did so for pro segment, no desktop.
reason is simple they are making tons of money (more than they ever did before)and they will keep doing tons of money because they have no competition, believe me if AMD comes out in june and says they have a refresh of vega SKU that boost perf of 15-20%, vidia will immediatly announce a new GPU on 12nm with the rest of the line up to come later.
so no this has nothing to do with 7nm, just that nvidia doesn't think you deserve a new product, since all you can buy is their current one, even though they have the money and means to give you a better one, so everyone should keep buying nvidia, i am sure thing will get better ( sarcastic tone )
greed is a funny thing, the more you have the more you want, it never seem enough.
 
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why does everyone keep saying AMD aren't making anything that will compete w/ NV parts? Vega 64 =/~ 1080 & Vega 56 =/~ 1070 the only thing they can't compete w/ is 1080ti and pricing i suppose. but the price really isn't that much different now that stocks are being replenished.
 
1080 Ti reigns Supreme.

AMD has next to nothing in both cost and performance to counter nVidia.

nVidia there-for has no reason to actually release a superior product until AMD releases something that makes them have to tweak or enhance the next gpu. So while the time goes on, they can tweak, change, for if AMD ever brings a product worth compeating that they can bring something out that's vastly superior.

Having 2 1080 Ti's, I am sitting comfortably knowing that for the next year, I wont have any issues what-so-ever with games. Game on.
 
I blame MS. In the early days of 3D cards, DX drove the market. A new architecture for every DX, and they came fast and furious.
MS didn't even want to make DX12, but with AMD giving away the tech with Mantle, they had their next DX10 to go with Win10, and stave off Vulcan which also absorbed Mantle.
And how many years ago was that? Have we peaked as far as GFX tech goes? Everything is so stagnant.
 
TimberVD said:
But the last part of yourpost kind of sounds like you desperately want AMD to make you a card that's worth anything to replace your nvidia card that you had to buy because AMD sucked. Which is admirable, but thing is, AMD won't release another competitive high end card, probably ever.
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I remember reading that all over [H] back in 2012 or so, with lots of comments that went like "AMD will be lucky to stay afloat for one more year, if that".

Things always change... and sometimes it's pretty damn impressive.
 
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