Intel can't get into the dGPU game soon enough.
they've been at it since Intel740 1998.
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Intel can't get into the dGPU game soon enough.
Who would buy a 500 watt card that might not even beat a TI? The die on something like that would be huge and they expansive.
They're doing 'just fine' because Intel is happy to innovate without them while at the same time chooses not to crush AMD by outcompeting them, which they could do tomorrow. Thing is, AMD has a habit of 'getting behind', and that's what I'd bet on. I'd prefer to get Zen2 (R7 3700?) 10- or 12-core CPUs at 5GHz with at least Skylake IPC myself for US$299, but we all know the possibility of that, right?
Intel can't get into the dGPU game soon enough.
Nvidia does this with their arch- now scaling from the tiny power-sippers that go in low-end laptops all the way up to the full-size behemoth, all the same basic arch. And logically speaking, AMD should be able to do the same. Further, let's say they do push the standards a bit: they just require more 8-pin PCIe power connectors. Any decent enthusiast has a PSU with four of those available.
If we assume that AMD continues to flounder behind Nvidia and Intel, then there is one logical move: split the company up, graphics to Intel, CPUs to Nvidia, contingent on Intel agreeing to let all of the x86 licensing transfer.
Dunno about that one. x86-64 is just the 64-bit implementation of x86 (which Intel owns), and is itself in no way innovative- the innovation on AMD's part was simply doing it when Intel wouldn't.
Yes thank you. I don't know how many times I have repeated this on other forums. Nope, they are still all holding out for some hot acquisition or some similar sh*t that will never happen. The x86 Licensing "giveaway" by intel was one of the many stupid things Intel has done, and probably one of the stupidest They realize that now and relish at the thought of terminationit was stated a few years ago if either company was bought the cross-licensing is to be terminated.
which isn't to say a new agreement couldn't be reached.
they've been at it since Intel740 1998.
Dunno about that one. x86-64 is just the 64-bit implementation of x86 (which Intel owns), and is itself in no way innovative- the innovation on AMD's part was simply doing it when Intel wouldn't.
Which makes me wonder, why they didnt buy Imaginations PowerVR division, since they are or were for sale recently, because as far as i keep reading, amd and nv holds pretty much every IP gpu related.trying to rush build their own IP or something
Sort of not really. All the Intel stuff not counting the newest AMD vega stuff.... has been licensed from Nvidia.
Yes thank you. I don't know how many times I have repeated this on other forums. Nope, they are still all holding out for some hot acquisition or some similar sh*t that will never happen. The x86 Licensing "giveaway" by intel was one of the many stupid things Intel has done, and probably one of the stupidest They realize that now and relish at the thought of termination
Who the hell would
a) buy amd and invalidate the license?
(HINT: the co. wouldn't be worth crap then or less than half of what you just paid)
and
2) why would amd give up the x86 license, it's major asset?
(HINT: Everyone at AMD secretly works as double agents for Raj and Jensen)
Yeab a and 2.. figure it out.
Idiocy
From Wikipedia “x86-64/AMD64 was solely developed by AMD. AMD holds patents on techniques used in AMD64
Yep no way intel ever renews that deal... at least as it is.
AMD is pretty much unsellable. Having said that Intel licences a lot of AMD tech as well. Really AMD never gets solid without Intels input and a ton of oversight as the US authorities will no no major x86 tech sales to specific countries / ownership groups.
The Intel 740 has nothing to do with NV. Intel is in their tenth gen. video arch. Cross licensing was only for six years.
Don't mean to cut you off.. but - Glad you got to the wiki. 740 Born in the USA Military Industrial Complex and yes a long sordid tale. No Nvidia. Commonly recognised as Intel's first dGPU effort. Regardless of the details and eventful history.Well....
Glad you got to the wiki. 740 Born in the USA Military Industrial Complex and yes a long sordid tale. No Nvidia.
Accept it (the patents which the 740 is based on) ended up in the hands of 3DFX... who was purchased by NV. Hence all their bases belong to NV.
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Come on man.. you're going to pull the later patent after 740 link to 3dfx on me.. I didn't know time travel was allowed.
AMD's best option is for a mid tier card that excels is Vulcan and DX12 and performs well in console ports due to shared tech.
That is all.
If they make a make a modular design that can scale to different market segments, all the better!
People forget, AMD doesn't have the budget to design 100 CPU's a year and maybe not even have something as fast as a 1080Ti. They have hit price to performance and a segment where they can sell good volumes of product. AMD can't always be the best, but if they play their cards right, they can make a lot of money being 2nd twice. The only question remains is can they produce the volume? Remains to be seen.
Huff. Why ChadD, why?Its not that AMD can't design a high end part. They sell Radeon pros that can more then smack a 1080ti around.
Its not that AMD can't design a high end part. They sell Radeon pros that can more then smack a 1080ti around.
From Wikipedia:
“x86-64/AMD64 was solely developed by AMD. AMD holds patents on techniques used in AMD64;[84][85][86] those patents must be licensed from AMD in order to implement AMD64. Intel entered into a cross-licensing agreement with AMD, licensing to AMD their patents on existing x86 techniques, and licensing from AMD their patents on techniques used in x86-64.[87] In 2009, AMD and Intel settled several lawsuits and cross-licensing disagreements, extending their cross-licensing agreements.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64#Licensing
Lots of talk about licensing and patents- yet x86-64 is what it is. Add a few registers, increase their size to handle the longer words... wow that was hard. Funny Intel was able to 'hack' it into Pentium IV's right quick, and then the Core 2 arch (based on the 32-bit Pentium Pro/II/III!) put them three years ahead of AMD again.
Someone doesnt remember ia64
Amds solution was better and Intel dropped their own to use it
And yet there goes amd with their amd64 patents.Someone is being really short-sighted. Intel wanted to push IA64 so much that they chose to ignore the obvious easy step to x86-64. They could have done it at any time and chose not to. Nothing hard about increasing register size, lol.
And yet there goes amd with their amd64 patents.
Intel really dropped the ball there.
Could have had x86 and x86-64 in the bag.
Oh well hindsight and all.
Accept it (the patents which the 740 is based on) ended up in the hands of 3DFX... who was purchased by NV. Hence all their bases belong to NV.
I have no doubt one of Intels biggest regrets has been not buying 3DFX.
So will navi with infinity fabric be transparent to game devs, or will it be like everything else, and devs get to choose to support it "Publisher CEO: RELEASE THE GAME NOW!!!!" *dev releases game only supporting 1 out of 4 navi cores*
*nvidia uses said game to show how much better their new gpu is*
It's just how much Intel wanted IA64 to be a thing. Hell, I'd still like it to be a thing- it needs great compilers, which we just might get with machine learning becoming a thing .
But it certainly wasn't going to be a thing back then, and AMD made a smart move by taking the obvious step of extending x86 to 64bit right when 2GB of RAM was becoming a real limitation. Microsoft reciprocated with XP 64 and then Vista 64, and that was that.
[it didn't help Intel that AMD also moved to an IMC with the Athlon64 either- absolutely spectacular timing on their part, as the IMC cemented their performance competitiveness until Core 2 was released]
so it will be a great gaming card if it is priced right.
and if we can get our hands on it in quantity. Which implies uninflated costs.so it will be a great gaming card if it is priced right.