Intel Has a Competitor for the AMD ThreadRipper [Rumor]

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Intel is not a company to be outdone by a competitor. They have pride in their product lineup even though it did seem a tad stale the last few iterations. If this Intel Core i9-7980XE 18C/36T rumor is true, it seems that they have an AMD ThreadRipper competitor waiting in the wings! A little birdie has leaked a X299 product lineup to VideoCardz. Remember that this is a rumor so take it with a grain of salt as usual. Having true competition in the CPU space sure is fun again!

AMD’s Threadripper will face more powerful competition that we first thought. A 18-core processor called Core i9-7980XE will be Intel’s flagship model of Core-X series.
 
Yeah cool. And, uh, how many multiple times more will it cost? Exactly.

I'm loving this "Intel has competition" thing...Core i9...like this would be happening had AMD not come from left field with some incredible hardware.

Look at Intel stressin'!
 
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Yeah cool. And, uh, how many multiple time more will it cost? Exactly.

I'm loving this "Intel has competition" thing...Core i9...like this would be happening had AMD not come from left field with some incredible hardware.

Look at Intel stressin'!
Only your 1st born for the 16 core. Your 2nd and 3rd for the 18 core.
 
These chips aren't a total joke like the Pentium 4 Extreme Edition was, but they'll be too expensive to matter.
 
It needs to be demonstrated that what we have already isnt enough.
 
Competitor would suggest it is a competitor in price as well. And more importantly bang for buck.
 
If it costs more than a 1080ti it's already lost. Just saying.

That is costs more is all but guaranteed - you can't even buy a new 8-core Intel for the price of a 1080Ti today.

Also, what does CPU price have to do with GPU price? The people who will be buying these 18-core chips are probably not going to be gamers. Games today still can barely take advantage of 4 cores, and the fastest gaming CPUs are still 4C/8T despite 6 & 8 (and more) cores being available for many years now.
 
I don't see how they are going to be pricing any of these remotely competitive without destroying their mid range market.
 
Yeah, so, AMD breaks out the Infinity Tape and tacks on a couple more CCX to a Threadripper ... tada. This isn't a fight Intel is going to win with its current legacy implementation. AMD can far more easily just keep adding cores while maintaining the per core frequencies ... unlike Intel.

Speaking of Infinity Fabric, since Vega is being made to utilize it , how many Vega cores do you think AMD can add to a single card? Would they show as a single GPU rather than multiple?
 
That is costs more is all but guaranteed - you can't even buy a new 8-core Intel for the price of a 1080Ti today.

Also, what does CPU price have to do with GPU price? The people who will be buying these 18-core chips are probably not going to be gamers. Games today still can barely take advantage of 4 cores, and the fastest gaming CPUs are still 4C/8T despite 6 & 8 (and more) cores being available for many years now.

I was just using the Ti as a base price point. And you can get an 8 core - 16 thread for under that from amd now, I am pretty sure threadripper will still be under 800$

Finally I am a gamer and if it was affordable I would get the extra cores just because I could, but I wont spend more on my cpu than my gpu.
 
Intel's been able to churn out Xeons with these numbers of proposed cores for a while now right? How hard would it really be for Intel to keep up the "de-featuring" of the Xeons, unlock the multiplier, and use a HEDT socket and pin count?
 
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Why is it news that Intel has a competitor to Threadripper? They've had several for yonks in the Xeons. All they have to do is disable ECC RAM support.
 
Why is it news that Intel has a competitor to Threadripper? They've had several for yonks in the Xeons. All they have to do is disable ECC RAM support.

Because people have short term memory and they forget that one above average launch for AMD all of a sudden makes AMD wonderful again despite the repeated years of AMD shitting on all their supporters :)
 
I have a hard time believing anything Intel is releasing is due to what AMD is doing. Most of their stuff is in the pipeline way in advance (same for AMD) so I highly doubt this has anything to do with the thread ripper.

If Intel adjusted prices then I would believe they were reacting to AMD, but they haven't done that either.
 
I have a hard time believing anything Intel is releasing is due to what AMD is doing. Most of their stuff is in the pipeline way in advance (same for AMD) so I highly doubt this has anything to do with the thread ripper.

If Intel adjusted prices then I would believe they were reacting to AMD, but they haven't done that either.
II believe Intel has moved up their time line because of AMD but I don't believe they will competitive price wise. Intel doesn't want to devalue their brand. Intel can still say they have the best processor but it will cost you to get it like it has been for years.
 
Threadripper maintains same clock speeds as Ryzen. Intel has to lower clocks and the extra cores increases their latency. 18 cores in Intel's HEDT was not planned. At most 12 cores. 14, 16 and 18 have not been leaked before. They are releasing these chips in response to AMD.
AMD is still the better chip.
 
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the question really comes down to whether intel prices themselves outside of the competition.. given intel's history with the extreme processors even when amd was competitive at the times of their release intel will price them off their brand which means they really only exist for intel to say they have the best but no sane person will actually buy them.


I have a hard time believing anything Intel is releasing is due to what AMD is doing. Most of their stuff is in the pipeline way in advance (same for AMD) so I highly doubt this has anything to do with the thread ripper.

If Intel adjusted prices then I would believe they were reacting to AMD, but they haven't done that either.

i agree to an extent, i believe the tech was in the pipeline for intel but was intended for the server market. but i also think ryzen being competitive pushed up their release timelines given how quickly intel rushed to publicly announce processors years in advance leading up to ryzens release which is something intel usually doesn't do.
 
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i agree to an extent, i believe the tech was in the pipeline for intel but was intended for the server market. but i also think ryzen being competitive pushed up their release timelines given how quickly intel rushed to publicly announce processors years in advance leading up to ryzens release which is something intel usually doesn't do.

I agree with this, Intel may not have necessarily had 12-18C chips lined up for the HEPT lineup, but it wasn't a far stretch for them to do so given their current Xeon lineup.

Even when it was Athlon versus P3/P4, and AMD had all the advantages (except production capability), Intel still charged a premium for their brand name. They just threw a lot more money into marketing (Blue Man Group, etc).
 
They just threw a lot more money into marketing (Blue Man Group, etc).
Try illegally blocking AMD at the OEM level:

https://www.pcauthority.com.au/News/139521,intel-guilty-of-bullying-amd.aspx

https://www.pcper.com/news/General-...US-Federal-District-Court-Antitrust-Complaint

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3203

I dont care if what they release is at the same price of AMD or cheaper, I will still give my money to AMD, because for now, Intel has proven that they can hold the market back and rape their customers if they are the only game in town.
 
Yeah, so, AMD breaks out the Infinity Tape and tacks on a couple more CCX to a Threadripper ... tada. This isn't a fight Intel is going to win with its current legacy implementation. AMD can far more easily just keep adding cores while maintaining the per core frequencies ... unlike Intel.

Speaking of Infinity Fabric, since Vega is being made to utilize it , how many Vega cores do you think AMD can add to a single card? Would they show as a single GPU rather than multiple?

Intel has 22c/44t parts already with better IPC today. That's more than enough for the desktop and HEDT segments. Neither can sell parts with that many cores at prices that anyone who plays games and dabbles in VMs can likely afford.
 
Neither can sell parts with that many cores at prices that anyone who plays games and dabbles in VMs can likely afford.

one can still find brand new 4p opterons mobos on Amazon and supermicro, and they are more or less inside the budget of [H]ard users. A few years ago i payed $500 for a bundle of 10 ES 16C Interlagos Opterons. Sure, they become a furnace when OCed above 2.8GHz but G34 was very cheap, could take a ton of memory and run 64 real cores for less than $1000. the OC BIOS mod made G34 viable for quite a long time.

looking at threadripper and naples die shots i remember the whole Opteron 6*** plan:
a 4 socket CPU without a price premium
 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadwell_(microarchitecture)
Existing Broadwell Xeon
Xeon 2697v4 18core, base 2.3 GHz, turbo 3.6 GHz, cache 45 MB, 145 W, $2702.
With a 165w version you could add 0.2GHz to the base and maybe 0.3GHz to the max turbo.
A Skylake version with mature 14nm could add a few 0.1GHz for the same power. Intel could pull a rabbit out of the hat and offer a 1 core turbo speed over 4GHz.
http://wccftech.com/intel-x299-skylake-x-kaby-lake-x-z370-coffee-lake-s-z390-cannonlake-cpu-details/

http://wccftech.com/amd-threadripper-1998x-and-threadripper-1998-processors-x399-x390/
Threadripper is aiming for base 3.5GHz, turbo 3.9GHz.
1998X, 16 cores, 3.5/3.9GHz, 155W.

AMD should reduce the model numbers to give themselves more headroom for upgraded models to add on top.

Intel's single core advantage is less noticed with these core counts. Overall RAM bandwidth and cache efficiency with high multi-thread activity is critical.
AMD were core for core, GHz for GHz competitive, I'd be happy with a cheaper AMD system instead of Intel extortion.
 
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the question really comes down to whether intel prices themselves outside of the competition.. given intel's history with the extreme processors even when amd was competitive at the times of their release intel will price them off their brand which means they really only exist for intel to say they have the best but no sane person will actually buy them.




i agree to an extent, i believe the tech was in the pipeline for intel but was intended for the server market. but i also think ryzen being competitive pushed up their release timelines given how quickly intel rushed to publicly announce processors years in advance leading up to ryzens release which is something intel usually doesn't do.
II believe Intel has moved up their time line because of AMD but I don't believe they will competitive price wise. Intel doesn't want to devalue their brand. Intel can still say they have the best processor but it will cost you to get it like it has been for years.
I agree with both of you that Intel could be releasing this earlier to compete with AMD's offering.
 
So an 8 core is 1000. A 10 core is 1500?
So how much would this be?
 
Intel has 22c/44t parts already with better IPC today. That's more than enough for the desktop and HEDT segments. Neither can sell parts with that many cores at prices that anyone who plays games and dabbles in VMs can likely afford.

agree, this is more of a dick measuring competition at this point but i think in the long run it'll work out for everyone.. intel has been dead set on not going over 4c/8t for the affordable consumer side for far to long.. hopefully with this push that finally ends. so while it might not matter now, it could play a part in what happens with the next gen parts from intel.
 
Perhaps this will finally push game producers towards taking advantage of more cores?
 
I can afford these babies considering I have an i7920! Do people believe amd can compete?

I'm hoping on 8core with a 1080ti :)
 
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