Kaby Lake finalized, shipping to OEMs

Comixbooks said:
Ready to drop this processor in if Intel Edge program has it by December 2017
Guess that means I have to keep my Retail Job belch....or what is left of it....
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Even if KL releases prior to the Winter Edge, they wont give it up. They will offer you old 6700k stock to deplete them. Earliest you will see KL is Summer RE.
 
So we will have 8 core 16 threads Zen competing against 4 core 8 threads Kaby Lake. Will be interesting to see performance on a wide variety of workloads. The best part if both have an advantage on something it could drive the prices down as well -> better for us. As for SkyLake, it does a rather great job for games in general so I don't see Kaby Lake improving much there especially if you are GPU limited in the first place.
 
noko said:
So we will have 8 core 16 threads Zen competing against 4 core 8 threads Kaby Lake. Will be interesting to see performance on a wide variety of workloads. The best part if both have an advantage on something it could drive the prices down as well -> better for us. As for SkyLake, it does a rather great job for games in general so I don't see Kaby Lake improving much there especially if you are GPU limited in the first place.
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Its going to be FX vs Core all over. A 2.8-3Ghz low IPC Zen with 8 cores vs a 4.2Ghz high IPC Skylake with 4 cores.

I also have a feeling that people are going to hate the 2 core cluster with the 8 core Zen. Because Windows likes to throw threads around, and there is going to be a huge penalty between the 2 clusters. You can funny enough end up with a better experience on the 4 core Zen vs the 8 core. To give an example, on the consoles, the penalty is around 200 cycles and pretty much kills any useful usage of cores beyond 4. And they dont suffer from the jumps.
 
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Even if it's base 3.6GHz IVB performance in ST, there will be so much diminishing returns in thread scaling by 8C/16T that I don't expect to it to beat the leaked 7700K in most MT workloads anyway, except in the most embarrassingly parallel workloads like Cinebench/GB4.
 
Palladium@SG said:
Intel Kaby Lake i7 7700K benchmark leak | CPU & Mainboard | OC3D News

Somewhat more believable GB4 leaks at +7.5% IPC over SKL.

I don't what Skylake will bring to the HEDT table but if those scores are for real 6C BW-E now is looking pretty dead.
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Those numbers seem to line up with the Cinebench numbers for the i7-7500U from awhile ago.

If the better 14nm process allows them to clock the thing higher, I'll take it. I don't typically overclock my processor but if it's going to come with essentially a "factory overclock" to make it stupid simple for lazy people like me, that's just another selling point.
 
I don't see how those GB4 leaks are more "believable." The data is almost the same, you can search GB4 database results yourselves, 7700k - intel 7700k - Geekbench Search - Geekbench Browser

<50 point difference for 7700k between the overclock3d.net article and wccftech article.

The actual difference is just the interpretation of the results and the 6700k comparison (and data set used for it), which again is also something you can search in the GB4 DB yourself - intel 6700k - Geekbench Search - Geekbench Browser

But I don't see why people are debating over performance. We have benchmarks from mobile KBL vs SKL. We know the clock speeds. The only performance question would be OC clock ranges for people who OC.
 
Shintai said:
Its going to be FX vs Core all over. A 2.8-3Ghz low IPC Zen with 8 cores vs a 4.2Ghz high IPC Skylake with 4 cores.

I also have a feeling that people are going to hate the 2 core cluster with the 8 core Zen. Because Windows likes to throw threads around, and there is going to be a huge penalty between the 2 clusters. You can funny enough end up with a better experience on the 4 core Zen vs the 8 core. To give an example, on the consoles, the penalty is around 200 cycles and pretty much kills any useful usage of cores beyond 4. And they dont suffer from the jumps.
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Hopefully not but then I've have had a good experience with AMD 8 cores. For me it will be mostly which one will render faster 3d work that will win out. Also compared to Intel 2011 offerings as well.
 
All Asus boards now support Kaby Lake.

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I just updated though UEFI on my Asus motherboard they didn't have the latest Bios so I'll just wait it out. I never had such weirdness updating a Bios before while going though UEFI.
I canceled it before and it wouldn't boot so I updated to the version from June anyway.
 
Samsung already has parts that beat 3D Xpoint cost and performance. They have those new parts coming out very shortly

Samsung Debuts 3D XPoint Killer | EE Times

For 2017 I think we are going to finally see 1gb SSD's in the $150 range.

USB 3.1 is super duper fast. SSD fast. I have a new 3.1 256gb thumb drive that sees 250MB/s writes and 350MB/s reads.

I still think you guys need to be taking a look at X99 along with the awesome 5820K. Quad channel memory and 12 threads. It's cheap with a ton of performance. In my mind, the best value out there. MSI and Gigabyte and even Asus have x99 / 3.1 boards for under $200.
 
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Here I just watched something on 3-D X-Point the other day thinking it was cutting edge.
 
lol ... nope. While it's a new tech, apparently, it's not the fastest or cheapest any longer.
 
I didn't see anything from Samsung that beats 3DXpoint or got the same use case. Endurance is nowhere near 3DXpoint either.

I can also say from a datacenter perspective that nobody have heard much from Samsung, while massive orders for 3DXpoint have already been placed.
 
Shintai said:
I didn't see anything from Samsung that beats 3DXpoint or got the same use case. Endurance is nowhere near 3DXpoint either.

I can also say from a datacenter perspective that nobody have heard much from Samsung, while massive orders for 3DXpoint have already been placed.
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Well, to start with, does Crosspoint even exist for someone other than Intel/Micron yet?
 
Updated my MSI motherboard to the latest BIOS that supports Kaby Lake. As soon as that 7700k drops I'll be sweeping one up!
 
ASUS must of just updated the BIOS this weekend I think I have 2202 installed now have to check it was 2,000 something.
 
Comixbooks said:
ASUS must of just updated the BIOS this weekend I think I have 2202 installed now have to check it was 2,000 something.
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Why are you in a hurry to update? Its not like KL will be in the Winter Deal this year. You have another 8-9 months before you get yours.
 
It's really easy to forget something like a Bios update for Intel's edge program I'm on the site like everyday so it's no big deal.
 
jarablue said:
I just updated my ASRock Extreme4 boards A and B bios with version 7. Fully ready to get Kaby Lake. Though since my 6700k works flawlessly at 4600mhz I am debating whether or not to upgrade. I really don't think it's worth it at all.
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I didn't upgrade my MSI board yet either. The only thing listed is the Kaby Lake part. While there may be other things, I just wait till the next one.
 
I wish motherboard manufacturers would give more comprehensive updates in their description for a given BIOS version. They'll have ME firmware and other optimizations in them which aren't disclosed to the general public. I can sometimes wring the info out of them but it's worse than pulling teeth.
 
Dan_D said:
I wish motherboard manufacturers would give more comprehensive updates in their description for a given BIOS version. They'll have ME firmware and other optimizations in them which aren't disclosed to the general public. I can sometimes wring the info out of them but it's worse than pulling teeth.
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Agree. When I upgrade my NUC, its relatively good information.
https://downloadmirror.intel.com/26337/eng/SY_0054_ReleaseNotes.pdf

When I upgrade my MSI for example.
- Improved PCIE compatibility.
- Improved SAMSUNG 950 Pro NVME compatibility.
- Updated Microcode.
- Updated VBIOS and GOP.
- Improved memory compatibility.
 
jarablue said:
I just updated my ASRock Extreme4 boards A and B bios with version 7. Fully ready to get Kaby Lake. Though since my 6700k works flawlessly at 4600mhz I am debating whether or not to upgrade. I really don't think it's worth it at all.
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Going from 6700k to 7700k will be useless as 7700k is merely a bit factory OCed skylake. Waste of money. I'm definitely waiting for the 2076 platform promising to bring hexacores to mainstream (again, if there's benefit in games cause currently there is none and 4/8 i7 is the most you need for home and gaming pc).
 
Something to notice : among the Asus models listed with Bios updates there are ddr3 models as well. That means that the Kaby Lake cpus will work with ddr3 as well? Oh and the KL Pentiums will have 4 threads!
 
Raendor said:
Going from 6700k to 7700k will be useless as 7700k is merely a bit factory OCed skylake. Waste of money. I'm definitely waiting for the 2076 platform promising to bring hexacores to mainstream (again, if there's benefit in games cause currently there is none and 4/8 i7 is the most you need for home and gaming pc).
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LGA2066 is HEDT, not mainstream.
 
Ultima99 said:
Yeah he's confusing Skylake-X with Coffee Lake.
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I not confusing anything, but talking about Skylake-X which is supposed to use the same 2076 mainstream platform with Kaby Lake -X. But Kaby Lake-X will be 4/8 maximum, while skylake-x will have a hexacore cpu. At least that's what was in the rumors.
 
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I not confusing anything, but talking about Skylake-X which is supposed to use the same 2076 mainstream platform with Kaby Lake -X. But Kaby Lake-X will be 4/8 maximum, while skylake-x will have a hexacore cpu. At least that's what was in the rumors.
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That's not the mainstream platform. Its replacing the existing X99 HEDT platform. The Kaby-X rumor just says they might be offering a 4 core on the HEDT platform again.

Coffee Lake is supposed to be 6 core mainstream on 1151 & Z270 in 2018.
 
Ultima99 said:
That's not the mainstream platform. Its replacing the existing X99 HEDT platform. The Kaby-X rumor just says they might be offering a 4 core on the HEDT platform again.

Coffee Lake is supposed to be 6 core mainstream on 1151 & Z270 in 2018.
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unlikely that CFL will be on Z270. I think it's time for a new chipset with Coffee.
 
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Not necessarily as Z270 isn't even out yet and is meant for Kaby and Cannon. It's quite possible there won't be a Z370 until Ice Lake.
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Z270 is basically the Z97 of this generation, a mildly enhanced refresh of Z170. I fully expect a juiced up Z370 alongside Coffee Lake. The motherboards are going to have to be different anyway since Coffee Lake, aka Cannon Lake-S, will likely incorporate FIVR like the rest of the Cannon Lake parts.
 
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Z270 is basically the Z97 of this generation, a mildly enhanced refresh of Z170. I fully expect a juiced up Z370 alongside Coffee Lake. The motherboards are going to have to be different anyway since Coffee Lake, aka Cannon Lake-S, will likely incorporate FIVR like the rest of the Cannon Lake parts.
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FIVR won't return until at least Ice Lake, since Coffee Lake/Cannon Lake are still based off of Skylake and if anything Haswell/Broadwell strongly suggest incorporating it is not that trivial.

Also, source for FIVR on Cannon Lake-U/Y?
 
I'll just wait for Broadwell successor hope they release the top dog for less than they sell the current of of $1700.
 
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