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I do like the idea to split the slot bandwidth, which allows you to build an ultra-small system (4x USB, 2x SATA, one dedicated, potentially several m.2 slots) without a chipset. Those other two PCIe slots can handle network and sound.
I do hope Zen will have more than just 8 lanes hanging off those eight cores
I do hope Zen will have more than just 8 lanes hanging off those eight cores
This is what I find confusing, somewhat. Since they haven't released info on the enthusiast platform (=990FX platform level) can we expect more PCI-e lanes? We had 38 on 990FX. 24 is perfectly fine for single card users(GPU). But SLI/CF users are gonna want more even if we haven't quite saturated PCI-E 3.0 yet.Zen will have 24 lanes, same as the kaveri, except it uses PCIe 4x for the optional chipset instead of UMI. So, 20 usable lanes. Really makes me wonder wtf all the extra pins are being used for. The integrated usb3.1 and 2 sata ports dont use anywhere near the difference.
The actual zen die has 32 lanes, and a coherency fabric bus port, tho that won't be connected to am4 more likely its for server mcm modules.
This is what I find confusing, somewhat. Since they haven't released info on the enthusiast platform (=990FX platform level) can we expect more PCI-e lanes? We had 38 on 990FX. 24 is perfectly fine for single card users(GPU). But SLI/CF users are gonna want more even if we haven't quite saturated PCI-E 3.0 yet.
Bitte ?crosspost from Overclock, article is from WCCFTech, which sourced it from Planet3dnow.
AMD X370 Chipset For High-End AM4 Motherboards Detailed
AMDs AM4-Infrastruktur: X370 beerbt 990FX | Planet 3DNow!
Anyone speak German?
Something is off, why would the chipset matter?!, the lanes for the gpu come from the CPU not the chipset.
Its obviously 2x8, not 2x16 as the AMD fan site added to the chipset information.
It is obviously talking about x370 and not x350
The CPU only got 16 PCIe lanes that can be used for graphics so...
You must be right they just make AM4 chipset with features they can't use that is the standard ...
Exactly. Its 2x8 PCIe 3.0 for graphics.
Could you show me where AMD says this, and not a fan site?
Could you link me the exact information about summit ridge and the confirmation about the PCiE lanes and the X370 chipset, please ? The information from AMD not from anywhere else ?
Strictly speaking, it just means you now have to provide the evidence that socket's limitation is 16 lanes tops.What does the chipset have to do with a CPU and socket limitation?
A $600-700 budget system of X99 w/ 6800k will destroy your 1366......... Just as FYI thoughI suspect the engineers are reaching their limits on how to move more data per clock work. This is why we are not seeing vast improvements on new generation of processors. AMD is still playing catch up to Intel. Intel is going to milk their customers for all the money per processor maturation of improved revisions. This is largely why I picked up a used LGA 1366 system. I do not need to spend $1500 to obtain the latest CPU/Mobo/Memory combo.
A $600-700 budget system of X99 w/ 6800k will destroy your 1366......... Just as FYI though
And that is perfectly acceptable but do not think you wont see a huge boost in performance from the upgrade. If you want to buy used, you can get a 6 core x99 setup for under under $500 if you pick your deals You claim there are not vast improvements but the largest improvement was made just after the 1366 platform. Since then, they have made very minimal adjustments to the line over the years just to help performance slightly. To say though that there have not been vast improvements is not true ESPECIALLY since 1366.Your wallet must be nice! *winks* My wallet is a straight up bitch that moans full of anguish! Don't get me wrong, I would love an updated mobo/cpu/ddr4. The factor is, I am NOT willing to spend that MUCH money for something that get used now and then. I will be happy to buy yours used in a few years after a price drop of sub $200.
My X58/CPU was picked up via hardforums, total investment of actual dollars $125 total! The mobo is 6 months old, cpu a few years old used. Much better than my FX6300 by far!
And that is perfectly acceptable but do not think you wont see a huge boost in performance from the upgrade. If you want to buy used, you can get a 6 core x99 setup for under under $500 if you pick your deals You claim there are not vast improvements but the largest improvement was made just after the 1366 platform. Since then, they have made very minimal adjustments to the line over the years just to help performance slightly. To say though that there have not been vast improvements is not true ESPECIALLY since 1366.
I think these chips are still 28nm so not much room for R9. Zen @14nm could reasonable get 290 capable GPU.I just noticed the AM4 APU are still using R7 gpu dies! NOT INTERESTED! I wish I was the CEO of AMD, a lot of those people would be fired on day one! This frustrates me, the doggy mindset that runs AMD into the ground!
I think these chips are still 28nm so not much room for R9. Zen @14nm could reasonable get 290 capable GPU.
Why would R9 APU do any difference if the limitation is elsewhere.
Also the first Zen APU is Q4 2017 or later.
I admit that I'm not as savvy about this all as some (though I did get some stuff right in my X370 prediction, specifically that it'd be called X370 heh) but from what I've read, the Zen architecture is a rather different animal in terms of how they're approaching the motherboard side of things [the I/O portion]. When I made my initial post I was much of your mindset, of "how will they manage to have 'chipset' levels when Zen is a SoC?", but as details trickled in that somewhat has been clarified. I mean, it's still odd and perplexing, but it kinda clicks now. Basically as I understand it, a Zen chip will be a very basic SoC and capable of doing what is needed for a system to operate. Namely, in terms of 'chipset' items, it'll have like 16x PCIe Gen3 lanes (I figure it'll have v3.1), and I believe 2x USB 3.1, 4x USB 2.0, 2x SATA, and then 8x PCIe Gen2 (probably v2.1 for compatibility) lanes for general purpose usage of onboard components (LAN, WiFi, audio, etc). Now again, as I understand it, this will basically grant you the ability to have a bare-bones ITX board that only needs a CPU and graphics card to function. In essence, the motherboard on these Zens seems to be little more than a Port Replicator/Expander HubJust the same info posted above, which still begs the question, wtf does the chipset have todo with cpu pcie lanes.