1366 x58 Xeon Enthusiast overclocks club

MongGrel said:
I still just like using three of these with my P6T7 and a X5680 @ 4.5

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 12GB (3 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL7T-12GBRH - Newegg.com
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I planned to pick up 2 kits of these for when I finish my X5670 build.

Crucial Ballistix Tactical 12GB (3 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model BLE3KIT4G3D1608DE1TX0 - Newegg.com

Memory speeds are 8-8-8-8-24, and 1.5v. Really killer memory and speeds if you ask me. Right now that PC is using those G.Skill ripjaws. Damn good memory too!
 
Brackle said:
I planned to pick up 2 kits of these for when I finish my X5670 build.

Crucial Ballistix Tactical 12GB (3 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model BLE3KIT4G3D1608DE1TX0 - Newegg.com

Memory speeds are 8-8-8-8-24, and 1.5v. Really killer memory and speeds if you ask me. Right now that PC is using those G.Skill ripjaws. Damn good memory too!
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I am going to pick up 3x of these Crucial Ballistix Tactical 8GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3L 1600 (PC3L 12800) Low Profile Desktop Memory Model BLT8G3D1608ET3LX0 - Newegg.com

I think 3x8gb could be better than 6x4gb as it may put less stress o the memory controller. I like where your head is at with the low VDIMM, I wonder if the processor would benefit in any way from less VDIMM
 
Napoleon said:
I am going to pick up 3x of these Crucial Ballistix Tactical 8GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3L 1600 (PC3L 12800) Low Profile Desktop Memory Model BLT8G3D1608ET3LX0 - Newegg.com

I think 3x8gb would by better than 6x4gb as it may put less stress o the memory controller. I like where your head is at with the low VDIMM, I wonder if the processor would benefit in any way from less VDIMM
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Good question....I mean it would lower overall system power usage for sure...hmm 1.35v Interesting. You know I would do a lil research to make sure that low of voltage would work on X58 chipset.. Cause to be honest, that would have me interested too!
 
Page 9 of this data sheet shows 1333DDR3 and DDR3L support http://www.intel.com/content/dam/ww...on-updates/xeon-5600-specification-update.pdf

Interesting, while not officially supported on Crucial Ballistix Tactical 8GB DDR3-1600 UDIMM LP, BLT8G3D1608ET3LX0 from Crucial.com, 8gb sticks do show up on Corsair's website for my MOBO. The potential limitations seem to be CPU limited, which we know isn't an issue with Xeons, and OS limited for people without 64 bit pro versions.

Lots of evidence online of 8gb sticks working. While I admit it's unlikely I'll use more than 12GB right now, it's so cheap I can spend another $50 and not worry about ram for the remainder of the life on this rig. Perhaps the lower voltage can extend the life? Wishful thinking :)
 
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Wow that is good news!!....Hmmm might have to pick up 6 sticks of the 4GB 1.35v memory give that a shot.

Thanks for the info
 
Napoleon said:
I just finished 8 hours prime blend at 175x24 (turbo enabled, multi set to 24 in bios)
HWmonitor: hwmonitor_x5670_42_8hrprime.jpg

One thing that is concerning is the large variance of my voltage lines; does HWmonitor typically read badly or can I realiably blame this on my PSU?
  • 3.3V - 3.136-3.248
  • 5V - 4.758-4.919
  • 12v - 12.288-12.416
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3x8GB=24GB memory succesfully operational with same timings and same exactly 3Dmark 2011 performance score. Looking good so far, running them at 1.4V (mobo only does 1.3 and 1.4 vdimm) with 8-8-8-24-1 timings at 1750 MHZ. I may play with tighter timings and 1.5vdimm but for now I'm happy with it

My EVGA P2 750W has noticably tigther voltage regulation:
  • 3.3V - 3.312-3.2296
  • 5V - 5.000-4.4.946
  • 12v - 12.480-12.416
I also removed the gigabyte aesthetic northbridge/VRM covers from my X58a-ud3r. My load temps on my NB have dropped ~4 degrees celcius, I'm pretty pleased so far. Right now i'm priming with a 41C northbridge temp, there is a 120mm side case fan blowing on top of it which I'm sure helps. It was +4 degrees C with the case side off and no fan. It stayed at 39C while running a benchmark of 3dmark 2011 performance

My CPU temps are great right now, been priming/testing for 30+ mins 44C to 54C cpu temp load right now, with max of 56C on any core. I may get some MX4 paste from my current IC-diamond 7 when I rebuild this thing after I clean out my water loop.

It'll be tempting to try for higher clocks/memory timings once it's all together; so far I'm pretty happy with my rig at the 1.344vcore that HWmonitor shows; hopefully it'll stay alive for a while!
 
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3x8GB=24GB memory succesfully operational with same timings and same exactly 3Dmark 2011 performance score. Looking good so far, running them at 1.4V (mobo only does 1.3 and 1.4 vdimm) with 8-8-8-24-1 timings at 1750 MHZ. I may play with tighter timings and 1.5vdimm but for now I'm happy with it

My EVGA P2 750W has noticably tigther voltage regulation:
  • 3.3V - 3.312-3.2296
  • 5V - 5.000-4.4.946
  • 12v - 12.480-12.416
I also removed the gigabyte aesthetic northbridge/VRM covers from my X58a-ud3r. My load temps on my NB have dropped ~4 degrees celcius, I'm pretty pleased so far. Right now i'm priming with a 41C northbridge temp, there is a 120mm side case fan blowing on top of it which I'm sure helps. It was +4 degrees C with the case side off and no fan. It stayed at 39C while running a benchmark of 3dmark 2011 performance

My CPU temps are great right now, been priming/testing for 30+ mins 44C to 54C cpu temp load right now, with max of 56C on any core. I may get some MX4 paste from my current IC-diamond 7 when I rebuild this thing after I clean out my water loop.

It'll be tempting to try for higher clocks/memory timings once it's all together; so far I'm pretty happy with my rig at the 1.344vcore that HWmonitor shows; hopefully it'll stay alive for a while!
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well regarding the your 5 volt rail.....Your motherboard might be slightly misreading it as well. I would not get overly worked up about it unless i could confirm the issue with a meter. The ones you cant check with your meter, well then all you have to go on is what the board reads it as.
 
primetime said:
well regarding the your 5 volt rail.....Your motherboard might be slightly misreading it as well. I would not get overly worked up about it unless i could confirm the issue with a meter. The ones you cant check with your meter, well then all you have to go on is what the board reads it as.
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I was proclaiming 'victory' or 'improvement' as I changed out the PSU from a Corsair TX750W to an EVGA P2 750, measurements for each were on the same setup with same frequency/voltage/loading using HWMonitor

I'm quite pleased :)
 
Just found this,Asrock X58 Extreme motherboard NIB for $40 on craigslist. Should I check it out? Anyone heard of success/failure with this board?

That plus $80 for X5670, $60 for 12GB DDR3, and a cooler would be around $200. I don't know much about 1366 air cooling, any cheap recommendations?
 
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MongGrel said:
I've never even used one of these myself, have a NH-D14 on my X5680 and an older Thermalright True Copper on my X5650 I've had a long time, but these used to be the go to for a cheap cooler on a 1336.

Amazon.com: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO - CPU Cooler with 120mm PWM Fan (RR-212E-20PK-R2): Electronics

Depends on how cheap you want to go, but price vs performance they were the go to awhile there.
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My x5650 is cooled with a no-longer-sold Xigmatek Loki which has worked well (at 3.9 with very lil voltage change), and I recently upgraded my dad's computer to a x5570 (socket 775) and overclocked to 3.6 with the cooler master listed above. Shockingly nice for the price, not the best on the market but not a terrible option either.
 
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I searched a good bit and haven't really found any serious discussion regarding running these much over 1.4V for daily usage.

I've found a handful of anecdotes of people running 32nm Westmeres at 1.45-1.55V accidentally or intentionally for extended periods with no claims of failure or greatly accelerated degradation. I've also found a lot of discussion about 1.52V on Sandy Bridge on essentially the same 32nm process, with a lot of people claiming it's fine for years, and nobody really claiming it killed their chip.

So, I've been running a pair of x5675s at 1.55V VCore, 1.4V Vtt for a couple months now to stabilize 184 BCLK turbo on, HT on (4.6GHz all core turbo, 4.78GHz 2 core per socket turbo) in an EVGA SR-2 with a big custom loop that keeps them right at 80C for 24 thread synthetic loads and much lower for real world loads and it hasn't exploded or burned them out yet.

I'd be thrilled with 12 months out of them with the prices approaching practically disposable next to anything else with similar performance.

Has anyone else experimented with stupid voltage on their 32nm Xeons? How quickly do they degrade? At what voltage does instant death occur?
 
Tiberizzle said:
I searched a good bit and haven't really found any serious discussion regarding running these much over 1.4V for daily usage.

I've found a handful of anecdotes of people running 32nm Westmeres at 1.45-1.55V accidentally or intentionally for extended periods with no claims of failure or greatly accelerated degradation. I've also found a lot of discussion about 1.52V on Sandy Bridge on essentially the same 32nm process, with a lot of people claiming it's fine for years, and nobody really claiming it killed their chip.

So, I've been running a pair of x5675s at 1.55V VCore, 1.4V Vtt for a couple months now to stabilize 184 BCLK turbo on, HT on (4.6GHz all core turbo, 4.78GHz 2 core per socket turbo) in an EVGA SR-2 with a big custom loop that keeps them right at 80C for 24 thread synthetic loads and much lower for real world loads and it hasn't exploded or burned them out yet.

I'd be thrilled with 12 months out of them with the prices approaching practically disposable next to anything else with similar performance.

Has anyone else experimented with stupid voltage on their 32nm Xeons? How quickly do they degrade? At what voltage does instant death occur?
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I did 1.45 for testing purposes to see if I could get 4.8ghz stable (I didn't), but my chip wasn't any worse for wear. Alot of guys over on the overclockers.com have run higher than 1.4v, but it was genuinely with high end/custom water cooling. Considering you have that base covered, I think you should be fine.

With that being said, the 1.4vtt is a cause for concern. Anecdotally, I have heard from multiple forum posters than 1.35 is the absolute safe max voltage (something to do with degradation of the IMC). I don't know if this is true, but when Kana Maru (probably the most respected x58 xeon owner) says 1.35v is a hard stop, I tend to listen.
 
i wouldn't go any higher than 1.4 myself....but i think any over 1.45 will cause some damage over time regardless of how cool its kept.....keep in mind not everyone reports very loudly when their chip fails is my opinion
 
Been running a X5650 @ 1.42 volts now for over 2 years, in 2 different motherboards. Seem good to go.

I would say as long as you have decent cooling you are good to go, but My limit is 1.45v
 
Is there an expected life of these Xeon chips, or some kind of estimation? I know I've read before that boards tend to give out before chips, just wondering...
 
Eh I would have to disagree. I have a buddy who still has a 980x running at 1.45v now for what 6-7 years?

Just because Intel says you shouldnt go above a certain voltage. Doesn't mean you can't.

And besides, When the damn processor is $70-80...not like you can't pick up another one.

Now if its a $300 or $500 Processor, Yea I would have to think about it.
 
GothamsReckoning said:
The 32nm process is even more fragile compared to 45nm Bloomfield. That is just one example you provided.



Intel sets those guidelines for a certain reason because they as the manufacturer determine that anything beyond that may degrade or destroy the cpu eventually (if not instantly). Just because you can go above a guideline or specified range/limit doesn't necessarily mean it is safe or provides longevity.



The cheapest 980X I saw used are going for $200 USD at the minimum nowhere near the $70-80 you claim.



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Never said the 980x was that cheap. And if you were smart you wouldnt buy a 980x for $200. You would buy 2 X5670's!


Xeon X5670 | eBay
 
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Hey guys, I been fighting with my RIIIE for some time now (all year since about last summer to now) trying to get data transfers stable and Windows reboots/sleeps etc stable. Much of that time I just left Windows and used Ubuntu because it has none of these issues. Windows itself runs great and so do apps and programs, but simple things like Restarting (which usually gets stuck in a forever never ending dot spinning cycle until I get super angry and shut it down physically), Windows shutdowns can take a full 2 minutes to infinity, or Sleeping (which is never stable when coming out of sleep) just seem to not work proper, but it works perfectly on Ubuntu. The CPU runs great and can run Prime95 indefinitely even at 1.31v and the RAM can run Memtest indefinitely never having a single error. However, I am not concerned with voltage savings as I am looking for extra extra extra stability, or as much as possible at 4Ghz. Data transfers on Windows is almost at a standstill sometimes requiring 5 times as much time as Ubuntu needs on the exact same hardware and conditions. Windows can even drop to 0 MB/s for several seconds even transferring into a fresh clean SSD or nice fast HDD. On Ubuntu the data transfers use the max speed of both the SSDs and HDD's and never once slow down. So I know the hardware is OK or all OS's would have the same problems. So Windows must be upset with incorrect voltage settings right? Or I have dying hardware that still works perfectly in Ubuntu??? LOL

So, today I decided to try and find maximum safe voltages, instead of minimum working voltages. Are the voltages below safe? And is there anything that can continue to go up "safely" if these new voltages below do not fix my Windows woes? Again, I am not looking for minimums, I am looking for safe maximums at 200x20 on a X5650. I particularly need transfers to and from the Marvel<>ICH SATA ports to be solid. The Marvel SATA III port is being used for one of my main eSATA backup drives and all SATA II ICH ports are being used by SATA SSD's.

IOH/ICH Voltage was at 1.1v, now I have it at 1.25v (and I already tried everything in between)
IOH/ICH PCIe voltage was at 1.51v (which is min) and both are now at 1.61v. (and I already tried everything in between) 1.62v turns on the Yellow high-voltage Warning system, which is why I have it at 1.61v now.

I have already tried every conceivable voltage below these that you see here and it did NOT fix Windows 10's problems. So the game plan is now changing to finding the max safe voltages, and if that don't fix the damn thing I am going permanently to Ubuntu for good until I get a new system sometime in 2018.

So are these voltages safe so far? Any changes I "must" make to these settings? Nothing is in Yellow warning status so I assume its all ok so far?

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This was given to me long ago.....and its on page 1 btw lol...
vCore: 1.45v
CPU PLL: 1.9v
QPI/UCLK/Vtt: 1.35v
vDDR: 1.65v (Possibly QPI+0.5v)
IOH/ICH: 1.25v
PCI-E: 1.51v
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These are Max Safe settings AFAIK
Looks like your PCIE is over the line to me? For what its worth i could swear the RIII3 doesn't benefit from raising PLL voltage? Im not sure i understand you bios settings..Is your QPI really at 1.35 or 1.31? I know mine needs higher dram voltage, but i guess we use different ram? Are you using highest multi with lowest blck for 4.2ghz? If not you should be.What memory speed and what not could be a factor? its best if you list ALL settings that could effect stability....anyway this is what im using, but i think are boards like somewhat different settings....so this is just fyi..

cpu voltage 1.35
pll voltage 1.9
qpi/dram 1.35
dram 1.65
all spread spec disabled
dram speed 1531
qpi link 6893
overclock xmp
dram time all default
i use highest multi for me 22
speedstep disabled
c-states all on
blck 191

Windows 10 runs PERFECT on mine....transfer speeds are very fast! Probably just need to figure out what settings you have wrong. I think theirs still a few people here using that board so you might need to give people time to check in and they get you sorted out.
 
Thanks for the reply.

Well the PCIe can't be true because 1.51v is the minimum voltage setting that can be obtained. So any change what so ever would be going over the safe limit? Asus would not design it like that. My PCIe min/max is 1.51v-2.78v as evident in the below image.

On CPU PLL, I only raised it because it was something I have never touched before. When I changed it from 1.81v to 1.88v my BIOS became MUCH snappier (not kidding), so I felt like it must be doing something good. On another forum guide using this board and a 980x 1.88v was needed for stability, so I just figured it must be fine at 1.88-1.89v. Below is a previous screenshot showing my min/max PCIe voltages. Another well known x58 dedicated forum claims 1.70v-1.75v is safe for the IOH/ICH PCIe voltages.

I am trying to find stability, and the ONLY direction I can go with voltages is UP. By the way, I am noticing some much needed improvement now on data transfers using the previous settings i posted earlier. Hmm, maybe I found what Windows and this board wants. Well see.

Shows minimum PCIe is 1.51v (these are NOT my current settings, just added this for reference)
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Here are my current settings below (except I lowered PCIe Freq to 100). Multi 22 never worked on my xeon properly, but I admit I haven't tried in 2 years. 191 BCLK and or 200 BCLK all run exactly the same on my system, so 191 does me no good and 200 gives me the perfect round 20x200 settiongs so that 1600 Mhz DDR3 runs great. My RAM is DDR3 1600 1.5v G.Skill RipJaws. My board has happily used 200 bclk for maybe 5-6 years now. But maybe I should try something else (I'm up to it actually)? My previous settings all came from work with Zoson.

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Thanks primetime, I will give others time to chime in. For now I will continue to test what I have it set to now. Windows 10 already seems more stable, but I have not had any real time with it to kn ow for sure. Ubuntu 16.04 has been destroying Windows 10's performance lately though, so much so that I have had very little time using Windows because of it. I would prefer to use Windows though but not if it feels inferior, which it always does for me.
 
OK primetime I tried your settings (which I have ran before). Windows 10 runs the same as always, but now I'm at 4.2Ghz = no change. Windows 10 still does NOT Restart, it just sits there forever with the spinning circle dots until I get angry and shut it down. Boot into Ubuntu, hit the shutdown or restart button and it does it instantly.

Not sure yet about data transfers, but I am thinking it is a lost cause in that respect. I probably have an incompatible storage setup for Windows. So if I need to move large sets of data I will just use Ubuntu since it doesn't complain.

Going to see what others say. Yeah kinda hard to believe some of us are still rocking this x58, lol. Personally speaking I am about to give up on SATA and disable it all, and go solely to PCIe SSD's and a USB 3.1 card for external data transfers. But that won't fix my Shutdown/Restart/Sleep problems. I wonder if that could be a PSU problem? My PSU is very old now. WAIT: I keep forgetting Ubuntu works just fine on this hardware...
 
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OK primetime I tried your settings (which I have ran before). Windows 10 runs the same as always, but now I'm at 4.2Ghz = no change. Windows 10 still does NOT Restart, it just sits there forever with the spinning circle dots until I get angry and shut it down. Boot into Ubuntu, hit the shutdown or restart button and it does it instantly.

Not sure yet about data transfers, but I am thinking it is a lost cause in that respect. I probably have an incompatible storage setup for Windows. So if I need to move large sets of data I will just use Ubuntu since it doesn't complain.

Going to see what others say. Yeah kinda hard to believe some of us are still rocking this x58, lol. Personally speaking I am about to give up on SATA and disable it all, and go solely to PCIe SSD's and a USB 3.1 card for external data transfers. But that won't fix my Shutdown/Restart/Sleep problems. I wonder if that could be a PSU problem? My PSU is very old now. WAIT: I keep forgetting Ubuntu works just fine on this hardware...
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Simple question, but have you backed off all overclock settings to stock and default bios settings and tested stability that way? This would remove the overclocking related variables while you troubleshoot the rest.

IMO your problems sound more motherboard related. I recently bought an Asrock X58 Extreme motherboard and put a i7 950 chip that was happily running 21x200 in my Gigabyte X58 Ud3r. Those settings were a no go, as I believe the high QPI (anything above 6.4) and uncore speeds taxed the northbridge far too much (temps climbed until restart), I was able to get it stable and above 4ghz using higher multi and lower BCLK (200x20 wouldn't pass 8 hours prime, but was able to pass 8 hours at 182x22). There is a lot of CPU variability on memory controllers but as this chip is tested it appeared to be the motherboard limiting things. My x5670 does not like 200 BCLK like my i7 did.

Couple comments, you may want to back uncore down as it only requires 1.5x your memory speed on these Xeons.
I'm not sure why you increased your PCIe voltage as your system seems to have instability more related to the south bridge AKA ICH. For a good run down of chipset roles, check is out Overclocking the X58, a practical guide

Your chipset temps, especially ICH are pretty high. You may want to consider getting a fan on the motherboard and/or reapplying thermal paste to the chipsets. In an effort to get these motherboards to last, you may want to drop voltages as it hasn't seemed to help your stability. I run my ICH and IOH at 1.16v on both of my boards.

The Ubuntu Windows stability/performance difference is interesting. I had problems with my restart/suspend prior to reinstalling Windows then it went away. I noticed that changing motherboards without a Windows reinstall caused shut down problems, as on the Asrock currently it won't shut down, it goes into 'hibernate' every time. I was just testing this board and won't reinstall Windows to see if the problem resolves; I'll be back on my other board soon enough.

It seems you have isolated it to software related as Ubunto works. Have you messed with your SATA disk type as IDE or ACHI? I've had varied results changing it in BIOS. Also I'm not sure how much enabling 64 bit clocks or suspend to RAM in bios impact what your OS does for restarts etc, there certainly are a ton of variables.

Have you tried 22 multi with turbo multi again and lower BCLK? If concerned about PSU you may want to look at your voltage ranges in HWMonitor to see if they vary wildly, although these sensors are not perfect they can tell you a story. This wouldn't explain the Windows Ubuntu difference IMO but I'm just curious.
 
As Napoleon mentioned.....yea have you done a recent new install possibly at stock settings and got windows and all needed drivers completed? What is perfect at stock speeds? Course next month a new build comes out and well all start over again (sorta)....Is your system having issues with windows all the time or just while overclocked?

Also according to your screen shots your qpi voltage still looks to low? (1.35 works best on mine) i see its set for 1.35 but its only running at 1.31? my bios works a little different so im not sure...mine just has the one setting value

One other thing i played around with dual booting Ubuntu for a while and every time i would boot into windows after running ubuntu previously weird stuff always
happened....sound card would be detected incorrectly, clock would be wrong.

Mine is almost night and day different than yours.....Ubuntu NEVER worked correctly. It would hang like yours on shut down or restart.. Loading anything took forever...just loading up chrome would even hang for 3 or 4 seconds randomly...finally gave up and said fuck Linux.

I wonder if we both are seeing some kind of dual boot issue? I cant explain how the os gets confused exactly after dual booting Linux and windows, but i know on mine it was like neither worked perfect when i was doing it.

I bet if you clean installed windows without booting into linux, your windows 10 would work perfect after installing correct drivers......so what im getting at is your suffering issues from different things. It just cant be a coincidence we have the EXACT same issues but in reverse. Maybe doing a long clear cmos before installing windows 10 couldnt hurt either.
 
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Quick update before I reply with further details. Yes it runs exactly as expected at defaults. Yes windows is the very latest version build 14379 and its about two days old. Only chrome and hwmonitor, cpuz and core temp have been installed so far. Yes I installed the recommended Intel driver 13.5.x or whatever it was to match the current RSTe Firmware from bios mods, but only because I was not satisfied with the windows stock drivers and trying to test all the variables. I am on a newer bios for two days now in order to try and fix my windows woes, but the new or older bios seems to have no difference. They are both the same 1601 but this one I'm on has newer Intel Ethernet, newer marvel and newer Intel firmware versions. Yes the Ethernet seemed to actually improve but I have not done any testing as its just my observation that it seems improved.

After applying primetimes settings it feels much better and last night it shutdown MUCH faster than I ever seen windows do for me. However windows is never consistent. Ubuntu runs good on my system regardless of the bios settings, only windows needs me to do serious tweaking. I might have come to my boards max life because I have always had a overclock for 6 years now. First I ran my 930 at 3.8 ghz until I replaced it in 2014 with the xeon and since 2014 been running 200x20 which was extremely stable right away. Maybe the 200 bclk has done damage to the board?

Anyway I will reply with more information later and a hwmonitor screen shot. I'm mobile right now. Lol
 
Just keep in mind there is something happening with dual booting Windows/Linux at least on certain boards....I know part of you is thinking thats impossible but i know its true...And im talking separate hard drives dual booting as well...So keep an open mind. How one OS effects the other i havent figured out yet. Your issues of having to hit the power switch when waiting for windows to power down or restart match my experience with Ubuntu Exactly. If one didnt effect the other then Why does the windows time get thrown off every time following a Linux secession? Why did my sound Blaster Z turn into a Recon after any boot up following a Linux session? Obviously its somehow related to our motherboards
 
Well today I went into the device manager and discovered the new driver I installed yesterday wasn't starting, it had the yellow exclamation. So I did like anyone would do and removed it the normal way expecting Windows to use the built in driver, and guess what? The damn thing died completely, killed Windows and it couldn't even boot with a "Something went wrong and needs to restart" BS. If it wasn't using the driver why would the system die after uninstalling it? IMO Windows is so screwed up its not even funny. So I hit the reset and that wouldn't make it all the way through because Windows is too stupid to figure out how to use the previous built in Windows storage drivers. SO I just took the bios back to defaults and then the reset worked.

Not sure now what to do as I just don't think I can live with a defaulted bios. Ubuntu works perfectly with all my 4Ghz settings, but Windows is just a plain stupid OS. Two years ago I couldn't get Ubuntu to work for nothing, but Windows always worked. Wow, how the tables have turned.
 
Try unhooking your Ubuntu drive completely...Do a full long cmos reset. For me i find stock settings NO more stable than over clocked....Its like my board needs the voltage tweaks full time/ All the time...doesn't matter if i run 2.4ghz or 4.2ghz. (So go ahead and set all your voltages up no matter what) I did extensive testing on mine to find what settings i needed all the time. To start the driver install process in many cases i used Win7/8 drivers from asus web site. After it installed i went to device manager and on each one i search for updated drivers and for each one it would download the latest windows 10 drivers at least known to windows 10. (THERE IS NO REASON TO UNINSTALL DRIVERS IN WINDOWS 10- ESPECIALLY IF ITS STORAGE LOL YOUR ASKING FOR TROUBLE) Just update the dam thing lol! I really dont even uninstall video drivers....Almost all case AMD updates/installs over the top of the current one no problem.
 
Also like i said if you log into Ubuntu for a bit then restart into windows IT WILL HAVE SOME ODD ISSUES. (Sound card, clock, maybe other stuff?)
 
I only been messing with Windows today. The Ubuntu drive is uninstalled. Decided to stop messing with it after the crash, even though I feel like it had nothing to do with the overclock and everything to do with shitty Windows. After 16+ or more years messing with hardware this last 5 or so has become not so much fun any more. Getting too old I think to enjoy tweaking it. I just want it to work. I kinda wish I had gotten a much more expensive version of this chip and then if I had to run stock for what ever reason it would still be stock at 3.6Ghz or what ever it is. Which isn't so bad. My 2.6Ghz stock really bugs me. I almost want Skylake just so I can have a 4Ghz stock chip, even though Id lose the extra 2 cores. The Turbo on Skylake is so sensitive its almost running everything at 4.2Ghz anyway STOCK at least my buddies does.

Today I need to do some work, but I think I will try again later tonight before bed. I saved my 4.2Ghz profile. lol
 
well i dont think ubuntu will have any effect on stability or overclock....i didnt mean to imply that at all. but it might have you scratching your head over odd driver glitches....This i can confirm!!! Had to reload my Z driver and reset the clock after every Ubuntu secession. The funny part sound blaster Z has no driver support and my clock was always dead on correct (when using ubuntu)...This confirms to me that the operating system changes something with the board or bios. (no other explanation) Google windows time being off for Ubuntu dual booting if you dont believe me lol.

Anyways just take it slow...you be up and Running and over clocked and stable in no time! You was just trying to do to many things at once.;)
 
I'm actually wondering if that new bios from bios-mods is ok or not? I mean when I defaulted the settings I noticed that the bios booted up with IDE set as the default and I thought it was always AHCI that was considered the default storage protocol on this board. Then when I changed it back to AHCI I then noticed that none of the ports was detecting my SSD's, which is also something it never done before. It has always seen devices attached, so not sure it doesn't now. Well it works in Windows using the default Windows drivers, but if its not wanting the official Intel drivers then yeah something might be wrong within this custom bios. Thankfully my board has two, the asus one and the custom one I like to mess with. So I'm never really in trouble. lol

So not sure now. I normally just build my own bios when newer firmwares are released but I kinda got lazy the last year or so and just been running a 2014 version that had the Intel RST 11.2 since it has the fastest write speeds in RAID0. Now that I am trying to force myself to use AHCI single drive setups (I never used AHCI on this device before, it's always been in raid 0 for Windows) I am not sure what to expect. I think the bios is OK though.

Oh and I wasn't doing too many things at once, I was just adjusting an already proven stable 4Ghz setup (I assumed it was still stable since Ubuntu just works). Lol, yeah I guess that is too much at once. Just figured going up in voltages wouldn't hurt anything since I already knew where my minimums were for 4Ghz. But like you said, maybe 200 bclk for the last 2 years has been a bit harmful on this board. I want to try 22x182, but I hate my memory dropping down into the 1400mhz range. I would need better ram, something that could hit 1833 or more with no problems and I don't think my 1600 ripjaws ram does it, at least it didn't two years ago. lol, but hell maybe 1400 mhz wont really be noticed so long I can get this chip to 4Ghz again. I just won't know unless I try.
 
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no i think even mine defaults to ide....just one of those things i remember to set if i dont have a profile. Regarding the ram.....Who wants to bet its just a mental thing and performance is exactly the same? For that matter minor timing tweaks could make up for any performance loss. (if there even is any)
 
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no i think even mine defaults to ide....just one of those things i remember to set if i dont have a profile. Regarding the ram.....Who wants to bet its just a mental thing and performance is exactly the same? For that matter minor timing tweaks could make up for any performance loss. (if there even is any)
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Yeah I know its a mental thing, lol. When you buy something that says 1600 Mhz on the package, that is what you want out of it right? So mentally speaking it hurts me to see it drop down to 1400 Mhz, lmao ;) and the next step up on the ram scale is in the 1800 range, and my DNA wants to select that naturally... again a big LOL. RAM that does 2133 at 1.5 still cost a bit and you can't find decent 3 stick kits any more, they are all 4 stick kits like the RipJaws Z series, or the Corsair Vengeance. So your paying for 4 sticks. Not sure I can get myself to spend another dime on DDR3. I MUST resist.... The next RAM kit I buy will be DDR4 for sure ;) haha

EDIT: Crap, yeah your right, I forgot about the timing tweaks you can do. Hmmm
 
Hello everyone. ı want to ask a couple of questions. (same post as other forums)

last day ı bought ga x58a ud7+ i7 930 + thermaltake frio cpu cooler= 120 $ (350 turkish lira) but blue ram slots are dead, anyway ı thinks it's a good deal. ı want to sell i7 930 and buy a new xeon cpu. ı have a evga gtx 670.
ı'm only want a 4ghz oc,no need to max :)

ı'm looking e5620,e5640,x5650,x5677 for ~ 3.8 4ghz,but which one ı choose ? x5677 have better multiplier but a lot of tdp. e5620 can be oc 4ghz and lower tdp,ı cant make a decision.

and i need a ram and psu for this build.

corsair 2x4gb CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9 will work my ud7? or need to add 1 more ram for triple channel.

last thing, 500w psu is enough for me ? i looked a psu calculate things and its says combined ~450w. or i can buy Aerocool Strike X 600w but little expensive.

thanks you all and sorry for my bad English :)
 
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Hello everyone. ı want to ask a couple of questions. (same post as other forums)

last day ı bought ga x58a ud7+ i7 930 + thermaltake frio cpu cooler= 120 $ (350 turkish lira) but blue ram slots are dead, anyway ı thinks it's a good deal. ı want to sell i7 930 and buy a new xeon cpu. ı have a evga gtx 670.
ı'm only want a 4ghz oc,no need to max :)

ı'm looking e5620,e5640,x5650,x5677 for ~ 3.8 4ghz,but which one ı choose ? x5677 have better multiplier but a lot of tdp. e5620 can be oc 4ghz and lower tdp,ı cant make a decision.

and i need a ram and psu for this build.

corsair 2x4gb CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9 will work my ud7? or need to add 1 more ram for triple channel.

last thing, 500w psu is enough for me ? i looked a psu calculate things and its says combined ~450w. or i can buy Aerocool Strike X 600w but little expensive.

thanks you all and sorry for my bad English :)
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I'd also recommend looking at X5670's as they are 6 core and have access to higher multipliers 22 or 24(turbo) which allows you to run with lower BCLK frequency, not all chips/motherboards are able to run all the way up to 200 BCLK

Dual channel works fine if you already have two memory sticks. I'm partial to the low voltage ddr3,
Ballistix Tactical Low Profile 8GB Kit 4GBx2 DDR3-1600 1.35V UDIMM 240-Pin Memory Modules BLT2K4G3D1608ET3LX0.
Regardless of which brand you pick, you do not need to buy a set of memory sticks, individual sticks of the same type will work just fine, sometimes the price is lower when you buy in a set.

Are you ordering from Amazon or buying from a retail store?

Your power demands will depend on how much you overclock e CPU and GPU as well. I'm not sure on your power needs, you may want to post a thread in the power supply section. If you're buying new, EVGA and Corsair make good power supplies as well.
 
Hi guys,

whats the average Gflops you guys are getting with the x5670 @ 4.4? i currently have mine at 4.315 with HT on and 1.38v 21*206 i can't seem to get it stable after that... i am currently around 78 - 79 Gflops but i remember a week ago i tried it with linx and got 86 gflops... but i don't remember the overclock...
 
Just checked since its been a long time and had no idea. 77 gflops (IBT Max settings) at 4.2ghz (191*22) Bullet proof stable year round:) If your stable at 4.4Ghz call it a day. Beyond that is unrealistic in MOST cases.
 
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ok i guess you are right, i've been doing alot of comparisons with other similar systems, does this look right? other users are getting like 1k to 2k higher after that they all use 2 gtx 970's. I mean don't get me wrong i like the upgrade i did but it doesnt seem like a huge bump from an i7 920 at 4.0. although games run a "bit" smoother on places where it used to hitch..

I'm considering on getting another gtx 970 i don't know if that would be wise...
 

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ok i guess you are right, i've been doing alot of comparisons with other similar systems, does this look right? other users are getting like 1k to 2k higher after that they all use 2 gtx 970's. I mean don't get me wrong i like the upgrade i did but it doesnt seem like a huge bump from an i7 920 at 4.0. although games run a "bit" smoother on places where it used to hitch..

I'm considering on getting another gtx 970 i don't know if that would be wise...
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Looks correct to me. Physics Score 14 181 is what i get which btw matches or exceeds plenty of intel's new stuff. I cant imagine your cpu limited in games unless your shooting for 140hz full time. Your thinking of getting a second 970? Really depends on the price...I wouldn't shell out more than 200 myself and even then it depends on what games and how well they sli. At some point ill pick up a 480 when money permits and probably be in the same area performance wise. If your playing non sli friendly games, it be better to sell the 970 and shoot for a 1070. What games and settings are you playing and what do you hope to achieve?
 
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