RX 480 is apparently killing pcie slots

[Daniel_Chang]

Mad respect for anyone with a degree in EE. Question for you: out of the dozen of so major review sites, only two of them noted excessive pci-e power draw. [H] was among those with no issue. In your opinion, what would explain only 20% of the reviews noting excessive pci-e power draws?

Those were the only ones to test for it at the slot.

And of the sites that tested at the slot, 100% of RX480s tested exhibited the problem.

I've been asking for someone to show me one, just ONE, RX480 tested at the slot that did not exhibit this problem, and so far no takers.

 

[Imhotep]

No degree will save a none existing issue. This invented drama will go away on its own. Simply by the power of time passing by.

 

[Nenu]

Mad respect for anyone with a degree in EE. Question for you: out of the dozen of so major review sites, only two of them noted excessive pci-e power draw. [H] was among those with no issue. In your opinion, what would explain only 20% of the reviews noting excessive pci-e power draws?

Test procedures, equipment, time...
All will vary the result.
Also silicon quality.

AMD have found a high variation in silicon quality which is normal.
but it would appear the larger quantity being at the lower end unfortunately.

The better silicon is so for a number of reasons, to name a few...
The etched components are less flawed.
The silicon needs less voltage to maintain a rated speed.
The silicon has less leakage.

These will help reduce power draw and heat.

 

[Trimlock]

No degree will save a none existing issue. This invented drama will go away on its own. Simply by the power of time passing by.

It'll go away once AMD patches the issue.

 

[razor1]

I haven't tried this on a cheap PSU, but on a Seasonic, Corsair and a few Antec's (which might be cheap?) I've pulled over 100watts through the 6 pin many times and saw no issues. Now I didn't OC through it, but it was more than enough to get my cards to boot up and boost.

There literally is no difference between a 6 pin and 8 pin connector outside of 2 extra grounds. When the card senses an 8 pin connector plugged in it can draw more power from the PSU, that is the only thing those 2 extra grounds are for to tell the graphics cards card hey you can have more power the PSU was built for you to draw more.

Granted if the PSU maker puts in smaller gauge wires for the 6 pin yeah its not advised to pull more cause now you have more resistance and that intern causes more heat and woops fire hazard.

 

[Trimlock]

There literally is no difference between a 6 pin and 8 pin connector outside of 2 extra grounds. When the card senses an 8 pin connector plugged in it can draw more power from the PSU, that is the only thing those 2 extra grounds are for to tell the graphics cards card hey you can have more power the PSU was built for you to draw more.

aren't 8 pins on a dedicated path with a higher amp tolerance?

 

[Knil]

Honestly I've been thinking of getting the 480 - it would allow me to run the Vive better AND allow me to wait for the 1080TI..

so not out of the question..

i would lol...my board was 320 when i bought it....and im still considering getting a 480 as an upgrade.

Haha, there are exceptions to all things but most people getting a mainstream card have a mainstream system.

All things equal allocating $150 for a motherboard and $350 for a gpu is going to get a better gaming experience than $300 for a motherboard and $200 gpu. But there are always different goals with a system

 

[razor1]

aren't 8 pins on a dedicated path with a higher amp tolerance?

Its just the gauge of the wire, yeah they usually are thicker wires.

 

[Trimlock]

Its just the gauge of the wire, yeah they usually are thicker wires.

ok, well I meant having more ground access gives it higher amp tolerance but year, I need more coffee...

 

[Vercinaigh]

ok, well I meant having more ground access gives it higher amp tolerance but year, I need more coffee...

Just look at the video I posted. PSU crap has been overblown malarkey for ages now. Even in automotive where I work we put WAY more power through significantly smaller wiring. It's a sham and pretty much has been for a long time. Don't mistake what I'm saying though, build quality and capacitors and such obviously matter, strictly talking wiring here. that and the fact some PSU's actually are currently overdrawing people's wall socket and they have no clue.

 

[razor1]

Hmm nah you are right that might be the case too, grounds are used for that, wasn't thinking about that.

 

[Lord Risky]

I think what is confusing people is the difference between 6-2 connectors and actual 8-pin connectors. I'm pretty sure there are differences between those, please correct me if I am wrong.

 

[Nenu]

My point was it wont kill motherboards which is the bigger issue. Oh by the way to call out people fuckin dumb might make you feel better.

I have a degree in mathematics. So next time you pull this education thing on someone just know they might not be as stupid as you think.

There are nicer ways of making your point without bragging about your education and assuming someone is dumber than you.

Your point is wrong, it would help to read what I wrote.
Exceeding the specs can result in burnt or damaged connections.

Haha, when you dont know what you are talking about, dont tell those who do to read up.
Then you wont feel insulted when its pointed out where the issue really lies.
Dont like fires, dont start them.

Nicer ways of making my point. You should take your advice.
I have been perfectly civil with you then you told me I need to read up because I dont know what I am saying.

 

[Vercinaigh]

I think what is confusing people is the difference between 6-2 connectors and actual 8-pin connectors. I'm pretty sure there are differences between those, please correct me if I am wrong.

There is not, it's for compatibility AFAIK. On every PSU i own with both they are the same gauge wiring. I have 6 in my closet, all rate 750+ so.

 

[Imhotep]

Strangely a few posts ago someone mentioned that the motherbord in question would not run his FX 8350 even though it was designed for it. It is the same mobo as in the video posted by Razor1

 

[Tyns]

One pin is a sense pin that signals the extra wattage and the other pin is another ground

 

[Vercinaigh]

Your point is wrong, it would help to read what I wrote.
Exceeding the specs can result in burnt or damaged connections.

Haha, when you dont know what you are talking about, dont tell those who do to read up.
Then you wont feel insulted when its pointed out where the issue really lies.
Dont like fires, dont start them.

Nicer ways of making my point. You should take your advice.
I have been perfectly civil with you then you told me I need to read up because I dont know what I am saying.

And from my personal experience building houses to code, and my work in automotive, you're full of it. In the context of the discussion here you are trying to make a mountain out of a grain of sand in the desert. It is no where near as big of a deal as you make it out to be to draw that from a 6 pin, not even close. Further that any PSU at any rating or price worth being in a system has safety shut downs in case of any thing going awry, motherboards do not. Just stop, please.

 

[NKD]

Your point is wrong, it would help to read what I wrote.
Exceeding the specs can result in burnt or damaged connections.

Haha, when you dont know what you are talking about, dont tell those who do to read up.
Then you wont feel insulted when its pointed out where the issue really lies.
Dont like fires, dont start them.

Nicer ways of making my point. You should take your advice.
I have been perfectly civil with you then you told me I need to read up because I dont know what I am saying.

Yea you should read up to my point that other cards have drawn more power. I never denied it wasn't out of spec. Plenty of time that has happened.

So another 10-15w through 6 pin is going to do what? You have an EE may be you should know better that it is chump change. You shouldn't be using a shitty fuckin power supply in the first place if your graphics card requires any connector.

We are talking about not killing motherboards. PSU at worst will shut down. Well if its a shitty PSU atleast.

 

[Vercinaigh]

One pin is a sense pin that signals the extra wattage and the other pin is another ground

So if i'm reading this right it "should" mean that a 6 pin only uses 2 of 3 for power, 8 pin uses 3? If I'm reading this right. But I'm not sure that's how any of my PSU's are, looking at them, maybe I should crack one open...

 

[Imhotep]

The person with the 3 Rx 480 s in X Fire on a Rampage IV needs to mention what was connected to the 3.5 mm jacks on the back of that mobo.

 

[NKD]

So if i'm reading this right it "should" mean that a 6 pin only uses 2 of 3 for power, 8 pin uses 3? If I'm reading this right. But I'm not sure that's how any of my PSU's are, looking at them, maybe I should crack one open...

Yep thats what it looks like.

 

[Vercinaigh]

The person with the 3 Rx 480 s in X Fire on a Rampage IV needs to mention what was connected to the 3.5 mm jacks on the back of that mobo.

Honestly, why? Who the hell cares? lol. These cards have issue, I'm a big AMD fanboy but they're broken. It's a big deal, with a easy fix. People should make a big stink until they do it, pull from the 6 pin and call it a day, case closed.

 

[Tyns]

So if i'm reading this right it "should" mean that a 6 pin only uses 2 of 3 for power, 8 pin uses 3? If I'm reading this right. But I'm not sure that's how any of my PSU's are, looking at them, maybe I should crack one open...

Yeah, it looks like the middle 12V is not used in a 6 pin config but is used in the 8 pin with the additional ground

 

[razor1]

ah that makes sense so when the 8 pin sense pin is there, the second 12v wire becomes active?

 

[Tyns]

The person with the 3 Rx 480 s in X Fire on a Rampage IV needs to mention what was connected to the 3.5 mm jacks on the back of that mobo.

He went out and bought a 1080 FE for his rebuild so he's discredited, anyway

 

[Imhotep]

Honestly, why? Who the hell cares? lol. These cards have issue, I'm a big AMD fanboy but they're broken. It's a big deal, with a easy fix. People should make a big stink until they do it, pull from the 6 pin and call it a day, case closed.

I will guess this will be addressed in a hot fix driver update. If there really is an issue.

 

[Nenu]

And from my personal experience building houses to code, and my work in automotive, you're full of it. In the context of the discussion here you are trying to make a mountain out of a grain of sand in the desert. It is no where near as big of a deal as you make it out to be to draw that from a 6 pin, not even close. Further that any PSU at any rating or price worth being in a system has safety shut downs in case of any thing going awry, motherboards do not. Just stop, please.

Lets see if I am full of it as you so eloquently put
In a perfectly set up system you can go way beyond power specs for many parts of a circuit. Others wont cope so well.

There has to be leeway in the spec for typical problems such is a bad connection.
A bad connection can be caused by many problems.
A bent pin.
A badly inserted connector.
A corroded connector.
Dirt on a connector.
A frayed wire.
...

There are 2 power supply rails and 2 ground rails on a 6 pin connector.
A problem on one of these can increase the load on its partnering wire, up to 100%.
A bad connection on any of these it will insert a resistance.
As current flows it drops a voltage across any resistance, dropping power over the the resistance.
This causes the bad connection to heat up.
The higher the current flow, the hotter the bad connection will get.

Losing one wires connection completely, one wire will have to take the full load which will cause the remaining wire and connections to heat up.
As long as the current flow is within spec and the remaining wires have good connections, this might not cause a problem.
If power draw is outside spec the extra heat generated could cause a serious problem.

If there is a bad connection with current still flowing through it, this will generate a lot more heat.
Keeping power use within spec this can still burn out. I've had this happen.
With power above spec, even more damage can occur.

Either of the above situations can induce fire in the wrong circumstance.

 

[Tyns]

ah that makes sense so when the 8 pin sense pin is there, the second 12v wire becomes active?

Yeah I believe that signals the card that it can use that pin. Solder hotfix incoming from AMD?

 

[Lord Risky]

I think what is confusing people is the difference between 6-2 connectors and actual 8-pin connectors. I'm pretty sure there are differences between those, please correct me if I am wrong.

There is not, it's for compatibility AFAIK. On every PSU i own with both they are the same gauge wiring. I have 6 in my closet, all rate 750+ so.

One pin is a sense pin that signals the extra wattage and the other pin is another ground

So if i'm reading this right it "should" mean that a 6 pin only uses 2 of 3 for power, 8 pin uses 3? If I'm reading this right. But I'm not sure that's how any of my PSU's are, looking at them, maybe I should crack one open...

Yep thats what it looks like.

Pretty sure I am right and I think tyns' post proves it. We are all guilty of posting fud's from time to time and should research/verify our understandings before posting.

 

[jbc029]

So summarizing, it seems that raising the PL on the card is what is causing the sensational 68% over spec slot draws. All of the sustained 100W+ slot draws have been where the PL has been upped, and in the case of the max draw (+50% PL and running Furmark) it's at 126W. So stock PL should place the draw limit at around 84W sustained through the slot (which is what is noted in most of the reviews...somewhere around 10 watts over spec). I'd guess that for immediate constraint of the issue, AMD should just disable the Wattman ability to adjust the power limit. That would nip most of the major concerns immediately (and probably nix the voltage control until a bios update can sort out the draw priorities on the card).

 

[Formula.350]

DISCLAIMER: I've been playing with computers since 1994, screwing around with them since '96 before I built my own in '98 with an Athlon 550 Slot-A. I have been a fan of AMD ever since, sticking with them through good times and bad; HOWEVER, I am not a fanboy. I am not blind, ignorant, and naive. I am much the same as [H], I call it like it is. You'll never see me say that Intel's products suck, or nVidia's cards are slow, because I would lose all credibility by thinking that. I know damn well the reality of the situations, and full well that AMD is the underdog, having been so for many years now. I love AMD, I root for AMD, I stick up for AMD... especially when there's some sketchy shit happening.

To reiterate, I'm a loyal AMD Fan, but I'm not a drooling fanboy who is blind to the truth... please keep that in mind...

BTW guys the guy that stated his card fried his motherboard, posted up pics for everyone complaining about why there aren't posting pictures.

PCI-E slot died with RX 480 | Community

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Its clearly visible the area of where the motherboard melted/burned.

I'm seriously not onboard with you at all here, and I think you're grasping at air a bit here, hoping to eventually latch on to something. I was quite pleased to see others who also had a bit more eye for detail.

Lets begin...

there is clear damage there but what is all the yellowy junk? looks almost like spill damage. like he drooled over his new 480...

I actually can't see the burned area. The motherboard is black colored, so it makes it hard. Also, why there so much yellow yuck? Also, that does look like my old AsRock 770iCafe, which I just washed with soap and water. Runs good now, but it's so crap that it couldn't handle my 8350. Used now with an old Phenom 9850 with Linux Mint for kids to play games with. But if that board is anything like my old 770iCafe, then it has some terrible VRM's. Maybe that's what blew out?

No support cooling, healthy amount of dust, and 7 straight hours of gaming... that mb, gpu huffing on its own hot air for 7 hours, that's a great idea!

As they all have pointed out, this system is probably the WORST piece of evidence that you could have brought up... but I get it, you're desperate to make a point and so far this is all you could come up with. Nevertheless, I'll backup the claims these three made that everyone wants to quickly dismiss...

Lets start out with the person's post you linked to where it states:
So I put the RX 480 in the second PCI-E slot and now everything is working just fine. After everything was A-OK I tried slot 1 again and it failed again, so now I'm in slot 2.

As you'll notice, the slot that died was #1. The picture that you've posted where you claim that we can "clearly see where the motherboard melted/burned", leaves out a crucial bit of information... The part you claim is burned is for a PCIe x1 and a PCI SLOT!


If anything, that would be PCIe Slot #2's which, again, as you can see from what I quoted, Slot #2 is "A-OK"


Now lets address all the other peculiarities about that system!
[Side Note: I run an open-bench system, I have 2 dogs, one of which is a Husky. Anyone who has a dog knows about shedding and dust. Anyone who has had a Husky, knows that they are effectively "Fur Bombs" which detonate often throughout the year. So I know what a 'dirty system' looks like, and as such, I am not quite chastising that system owner for upkeep as that'd be a prime example of 'pot calling the kettle black'. That being said...]

#1 I think I'll title this one: "Is... is that a feather?!"


#2 For my next work: "You're a dirty girl, aren't you " [working title]


#3 QUADRUPLE THREAT! A="Jimmy, grab my crowbar!", B="This is what we call Shoehorned.", C="Twisted Metal", D="Needed a bigger crowbar..."



#4 Is simply called: "Can I get a cleanup on Isle 4?" (to be fair, this was sorta covered in #2, but in addition to the fact that I enjoyed the title. it provided a better opportunity to illustrate something...)

[Note: For anyone curious, given they look suspicious to the untrained eye, those are not bubbles from excessive heat! In PCB lingo, they're called a "via" or "through hole". This image shows them much better, which most have traces leading up to them, but some won't such as in the bottom left. Usually those that don't are either connected on a different layer (thus hidden), or on the opposite side if the PCB only utilizes the front and back.]

#5 Might be some of my best work: "Where's Waldo?"


BONUS ART PIECE! "NnnnnOO Kitty, that's a bad Kitty! MOooooOOOmm! Kitty's being a dildo!"



I mean c'mon... what exactly made you feel like that was the evidence that AMD was definitively the cause of this board's death?! lmao I'd have also linked to the dust bunnies next to the CPU, but I've used all 10 image slots available in this post already

In all seriousness, it just bugs me that you were so quick to jump on the others for making VERY valid observations about this computer. Are all those things I highlighted the cause of the problem/s in this particular instance? I really have no idea, I'm not too proud to admit that fact. On the flip side is the equally important question of: Can you prove they do not have anything to do with it? If that system was sent in to determine the cause of death, and even if the RX 480 was indeed the cause, who here wants to bet that any warranty claim would be thrown out due to the condition the system was in? Who here remembers the laptop warranty claim that was denied due to there being dead bugs found inside of it (I can't find the specific article, but there are plenty with a simple google search, same goes for Smoking voiding warranties)? Or this, with the PS4s?


Anyways, I think this is long enough, and I've spent more than enough time on it.

TL;DR - Too many variables in this instance to get a cocky "matter-of-fact" attitude about, or to consider this a definite RX 480 as the culprit.

 

[Tyns]

Pretty sure I am right and I think tyns' post proves it. We are all guilty of posting fud's from time to time and should research/verify our understandings before posting.

There's no difference - the extra 2 pins in a 6-2 connector are the second sense and second ground (pins 4 and 8 in diagram). 6-2 just has those two pins broken off from the other 6, otherwise it's exactly the same as the 8 pin.

 

[Imhotep]

He went out and bought a 1,

So summarizing, it seems that raising the PL on the card is what is causing the sensational 68% over spec slot draws. All of the sustained 100W+ slot draws have been where the PL has been upped, and in the case of the max draw (+50% PL and running Furmark) it's at 126W. So stock PL should place the draw limit at around 84W sustained through the slot (which is what is noted in most of the reviews...somewhere around 10 watts over spec). I'd guess that for immediate constraint of the issue, AMD should just disable the Wattman ability to adjust the power limit. That would nip most of the major concerns immediately (and probably nix the voltage control until a bios update can sort out the draw priorities on the card).

No, it will be done by a driver update if at all. The same way you are able to play with Wattman/ power play and power saving features.

 

[razor1]

DISCLAIMER: I've been playing with computers since 1994, screwing around with them since '96 before I built my own in '98 with an Athlon 550 Slot-A. I have been a fan of AMD ever since, sticking with them through good times and bad; HOWEVER, I am not a fanboy. I am not blind, ignorant, and naive. I am much the same as [H], I call it like it is. You'll never see me say that Intel's products suck, or nVidia's cards are slow, because I would lose all credibility by thinking that. I know damn well the reality of the situations, and full well that AMD is the underdog, having been so for many years now. I love AMD, I root for AMD, I stick up for AMD... especially when there's some sketchy shit happening.

To reiterate, I'm a loyal AMD Fan, but I'm not a drooling fanboy who is blind to the truth... please keep that in mind...






I'm seriously not onboard with you at all here, and I think you're grasping at air a bit here, hoping to eventually latch on to something. I was quite pleased to see others who also had a bit more eye for detail.

Lets begin...








As they all have pointed out, this system is probably the WORST piece of evidence that you could have brought up... but I get it, you're desperate to make a point and so far this is all you could come up with. Nevertheless, I'll backup the claims these three made that everyone wants to quickly dismiss...

Lets start out with the person's post you linked to where it states:
So I put the RX 480 in the second PCI-E slot and now everything is working just fine. After everything was A-OK I tried slot 1 again and it failed again, so now I'm in slot 2.

As you'll notice, the slot that died was #1. The picture that you've posted where you claim that we can "clearly see where the motherboard melted/burned", leaves out a crucial bit of information... The part you claim is burned is for a PCIe x1 and a PCI SLOT!
View attachment 4864

If anything, that would be PCIe Slot #2's which, again, as you can see from what I quoted, Slot #2 is "A-OK"


Now lets address all the other peculiarities about that system!
[Side Note: I run an open-bench system, I have 2 dogs, one of which is a Husky. Anyone who has a dog knows about shedding and dust. Anyone who has had a Husky, knows that they are effectively "Fur Bombs" which detonate often throughout the year. So I know what a 'dirty system' looks like, and as such, I am not quite chastising that system owner for upkeep as that'd be a prime example of 'pot calling the kettle black'. That being said...]

#1 I think I'll title this one: "Is... is that a feather?!"
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#2 For my next work: "You're a dirty girl, aren't you " [working title]
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#3 TRIPLE THREAT! A="Jimmy, grab my crowbar!", B="This is what we call Shoehorned.", C="Twisted Metal", D="Needed a bigger crowbar..."
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#4 Is simply called: "Can I get a cleanup on Isle 4?" (to be fair, this was sorta covered in #2, but in addition to the fact that I enjoyed the title. it provided a better opportunity to illustrate something...)
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[Note: For anyone curious, given they look suspicious to the untrained eye, those are not bubbles from excessive heat! In PCB lingo, they're called a "via" or "through hole". This image shows them much better, which most have traces leading up to them, but some won't such as in the bottom left. Usually those that don't are either connected on a different layer (thus hidden), or on the opposite side if the PCB only utilizes the front and back.]

#5 Might be some of my best work: "Where's Waldo?"
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BONUS ART PIECE! "NnnnnOO Kitty, that's a bad Kitty! MOooooOOOmm! Kitty's being a dildo!"
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I mean c'mon... what exactly made you feel like that was the evidence that AMD was definitively the cause of this board's death?! lmao I'd have also linked to the dust bunnies next to the CPU, but I've used all 10 image slots available in this post already

In all seriousness, it just bugs me that you were so quick to jump on the others for making VERY valid observations about this computer. Are all those things I highlighted the cause of the problem/s in this particular instance? I really have no idea, I'm not too proud to admit that fact. On the flip side is the equally important question of: Can you prove they do not have anything to do with it? If that system was sent in to determine the cause of death, and even if the RX 480 was indeed the cause, who here wants to bet that any warranty claim would be thrown out due to the condition the system was in? Who here remembers the laptop warranty claim that was denied due to there being dead bugs found inside of it (I can't find the specific article, but there are plenty with a simple google search, same goes for Smoking voiding warranties)? Or this, with the PS4s?


Anyways, I think this is long enough, and I've spent more than enough time on it.

TL;DR - Too many variables in this instance to get a cocky "matter-of-fact" attitude about, or to consider this a definite RX 480 as the culprit.

I didn't. did I? I stated the people that were asking for pictures they are now up lol. First off they didn't even believe the guy had the card lol, I think you should just go along now and do your thing. Cause it just won't work with me if you are going to try to put words in my mouth. I got at least 7 years on ya in taking apart and putting systems together so go figure.

 

[Tyns]

First off they didn't even believe the guy had the card lol

They accused the poor guy of being an nVidia plant simply because he seemed calm and wasn't raging at his motherboard damage. He explained it was only the one slot and the card worked in the other slot so it wasn't that big of a deal.

 

[razor1]

They accused the poor guy of being an nVidia plant simply because he seemed calm and wasn't raging at his motherboard damage. He explained it was only the one slot and the card worked in the other slot so it wasn't that big of a deal.

Yeah the guy came on to ask for help on what he should do and he saw the issues with the card, and he got blasted for it, instead of trying to help him he got accused...... its was pathetic.

 

[thesmokingman]

I didn't. did I? I stated the people that were asking for pictures they are now up lol. First off they didn't even believe the guy had the card lol, I think you should just go along now and do your thing. Cause it just won't work with me if you are going to try to put words in my mouth. I got at least 7 years on ya in taking apart and putting systems together so go figure.

I think he (formula) just lumped everyone into the same category lol.

 

[Lord Risky]

There's no difference - the extra 2 pins in a 6-2 connector are the second sense and second ground (pins 4 and 8 in diagram). 6-2 just has those two pins broken off from the other 6, otherwise it's exactly the same as the 8 pin.

Not to beat a dead horse here, but I still don't think that is correct. Anyone else like to give their input?

 

[Brackle]

DISCLAIMER: I've been playing with computers since 1994, screwing around with them since '96 before I built my own in '98 with an Athlon 550 Slot-A. I have been a fan of AMD ever since, sticking with them through good times and bad; HOWEVER, I am not a fanboy. I am not blind, ignorant, and naive. I am much the same as [H], I call it like it is. You'll never see me say that Intel's products suck, or nVidia's cards are slow, because I would lose all credibility by thinking that. I know damn well the reality of the situations, and full well that AMD is the underdog, having been so for many years now. I love AMD, I root for AMD, I stick up for AMD... especially when there's some sketchy shit happening.

To reiterate, I'm a loyal AMD Fan, but I'm not a drooling fanboy who is blind to the truth... please keep that in mind...






I'm seriously not onboard with you at all here, and I think you're grasping at air a bit here, hoping to eventually latch on to something. I was quite pleased to see others who also had a bit more eye for detail.

Lets begin...








As they all have pointed out, this system is probably the WORST piece of evidence that you could have brought up... but I get it, you're desperate to make a point and so far this is all you could come up with. Nevertheless, I'll backup the claims these three made that everyone wants to quickly dismiss...

Lets start out with the person's post you linked to where it states:
So I put the RX 480 in the second PCI-E slot and now everything is working just fine. After everything was A-OK I tried slot 1 again and it failed again, so now I'm in slot 2.

As you'll notice, the slot that died was #1. The picture that you've posted where you claim that we can "clearly see where the motherboard melted/burned", leaves out a crucial bit of information... The part you claim is burned is for a PCIe x1 and a PCI SLOT!
View attachment 4864

If anything, that would be PCIe Slot #2's which, again, as you can see from what I quoted, Slot #2 is "A-OK"


Now lets address all the other peculiarities about that system!
[Side Note: I run an open-bench system, I have 2 dogs, one of which is a Husky. Anyone who has a dog knows about shedding and dust. Anyone who has had a Husky, knows that they are effectively "Fur Bombs" which detonate often throughout the year. So I know what a 'dirty system' looks like, and as such, I am not quite chastising that system owner for upkeep as that'd be a prime example of 'pot calling the kettle black'. That being said...]

#1 I think I'll title this one: "Is... is that a feather?!"
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#2 For my next work: "You're a dirty girl, aren't you " [working title]
View attachment 4871

#3 QUADRUPLE THREAT! A="Jimmy, grab my crowbar!", B="This is what we call Shoehorned.", C="Twisted Metal", D="Needed a bigger crowbar..."
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#4 Is simply called: "Can I get a cleanup on Isle 4?" (to be fair, this was sorta covered in #2, but in addition to the fact that I enjoyed the title. it provided a better opportunity to illustrate something...)
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[Note: For anyone curious, given they look suspicious to the untrained eye, those are not bubbles from excessive heat! In PCB lingo, they're called a "via" or "through hole". This image shows them much better, which most have traces leading up to them, but some won't such as in the bottom left. Usually those that don't are either connected on a different layer (thus hidden), or on the opposite side if the PCB only utilizes the front and back.]

#5 Might be some of my best work: "Where's Waldo?"
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BONUS ART PIECE! "NnnnnOO Kitty, that's a bad Kitty! MOooooOOOmm! Kitty's being a dildo!"
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I mean c'mon... what exactly made you feel like that was the evidence that AMD was definitively the cause of this board's death?! lmao I'd have also linked to the dust bunnies next to the CPU, but I've used all 10 image slots available in this post already

In all seriousness, it just bugs me that you were so quick to jump on the others for making VERY valid observations about this computer. Are all those things I highlighted the cause of the problem/s in this particular instance? I really have no idea, I'm not too proud to admit that fact. On the flip side is the equally important question of: Can you prove they do not have anything to do with it? If that system was sent in to determine the cause of death, and even if the RX 480 was indeed the cause, who here wants to bet that any warranty claim would be thrown out due to the condition the system was in? Who here remembers the laptop warranty claim that was denied due to there being dead bugs found inside of it (I can't find the specific article, but there are plenty with a simple google search, same goes for Smoking voiding warranties)? Or this, with the PS4s?


Anyways, I think this is long enough, and I've spent more than enough time on it.

TL;DR - Too many variables in this instance to get a cocky "matter-of-fact" attitude about, or to consider this a definite RX 480 as the culprit.

Damn look at that motherboard. Holy shit looks like shit got spilled on it. And this is what Nvidia people are promoting to prove their agenda? Jesus....No wonder his slot died.

And the feather...That's a disaster waiting to happen.

More and more it looks like people are grasping at straws. Amazing what people believe on the net anymore.

 

[Imhotep]

DISCLAIMER: I've been playing with computers since 1994, screwing around with them since '96 before I built my own in '98 with an Athlon 550 Slot-A. I have been a fan of AMD ever since, sticking with them through good times and bad; HOWEVER, I am not a fanboy. I am not blind, ignorant, and naive. I am much the same as [H], I call it like it is. You'll never see me say that Intel's products suck, or nVidia's cards are slow, because I would lose all credibility by thinking that. I know damn well the reality of the situations, and full well that AMD is the underdog, having been so for many years now. I love AMD, I root for AMD, I stick up for AMD... especially when there's some sketchy shit happening.

To reiterate, I'm a loyal AMD Fan, but I'm not a drooling fanboy who is blind to the truth... please keep that in mind...






I'm seriously not onboard with you at all here, and I think you're grasping at air a bit here, hoping to eventually latch on to something. I was quite pleased to see others who also had a bit more eye for detail.

Lets begin...








As they all have pointed out, this system is probably the WORST piece of evidence that you could have brought up... but I get it, you're desperate to make a point and so far this is all you could come up with. Nevertheless, I'll backup the claims these three made that everyone wants to quickly dismiss...

Lets start out with the person's post you linked to where it states:
So I put the RX 480 in the second PCI-E slot and now everything is working just fine. After everything was A-OK I tried slot 1 again and it failed again, so now I'm in slot 2.

As you'll notice, the slot that died was #1. The picture that you've posted where you claim that we can "clearly see where the motherboard melted/burned", leaves out a crucial bit of information... The part you claim is burned is for a PCIe x1 and a PCI SLOT!
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If anything, that would be PCIe Slot #2's which, again, as you can see from what I quoted, Slot #2 is "A-OK"




Now lets address all the other peculiarities about that system!
[Side Note: I run an open-bench system, I have 2 dogs, one of which is a Husky. Anyone who has a dog knows about shedding and dust. Anyone who has had a Husky, knows that they are effectively "Fur Bombs" which detonate often throughout the year. So I know what a 'dirty system' looks like, and as such, I am not quite chastising that system owner for upkeep as that'd be a prime example of 'pot calling the kettle black'. That being said...]

#1 I think I'll title this one: "Is... is that a feather?!"
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#2 For my next work: "You're a dirty girl, aren't you " [working title]
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#3 QUADRUPLE THREAT! A="Jimmy, grab my crowbar!", B="This is what we call Shoehorned.", C="Twisted Metal", D="Needed a bigger crowbar..."
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#4 Is simply called: "Can I get a cleanup on Isle 4?" (to be fair, this was sorta covered in #2, but in addition to the fact that I enjoyed the title. it provided a better opportunity to illustrate something...)
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[Note: For anyone curious, given they look suspicious to the untrained eye, those are not bubbles from excessive heat! In PCB lingo, they're called a "via" or "through hole". This image shows them much better, which most have traces leading up to them, but some won't such as in the bottom left. Usually those that don't are either connected on a different layer (thus hidden), or on the opposite side if the PCB only utilizes the front and back.]

#5 Might be some of my best work: "Where's Waldo?"
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BONUS ART PIECE! "NnnnnOO Kitty, that's a bad Kitty! MOooooOOOmm! Kitty's being a dildo!"
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I mean c'mon... what exactly made you feel like that was the evidence that AMD was definitively the cause of this board's death?! lmao I'd have also linked to the dust bunnies next to the CPU, but I've used all 10 image slots available in this post already

In all seriousness, it just bugs me that you were so quick to jump on the others for making VERY valid observations about this computer. Are all those things I highlighted the cause of the problem/s in this particular instance? I really have no idea, I'm not too proud to admit that fact. On the flip side is the equally important question of: Can you prove they do not have anything to do with it? If that system was sent in to determine the cause of death, and even if the RX 480 was indeed the cause, who here wants to bet that any warranty claim would be thrown out due to the condition the system was in? Who here remembers the laptop warranty claim that was denied due to there being dead bugs found inside of it (I can't find the specific article, but there are plenty with a simple google search, same goes for Smoking voiding warranties)? Or this, with the PS4s?


Anyways, I think this is long enough, and I've spent more than enough time on it.

TL;DR - Too many variables in this instance to get a cocky "matter-of-fact" attitude about, or to consider this a definite RX 480 as the culprit.

This is great work. If the card works in slot 2 than there is no problem. Its pretty cool how little time has passed by and the issue has seemingly fixed itself