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It is IMPORTANT to note between PCPerspective and Toms, that Toms was running [edit]4K on Metro Last Light[/edit]. This puts more work on the GPU.
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RX 480 is apparently killing pcie slots
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Haha...They were trying to prove Kyle was wrong but sent the work remit to the wrong dept.
The youth training evening class thought they had done quite well. The class leader put an A+ on it and simply followed instructions, handing it back as requested.
Oops.
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wtf is teclab? never heard of it... idk about that mashed up "mod/hack". looks sketchy as all hell!
edit: do you make Teclab - Laboratory Furniture? I don't see what your "teclab" is...
edit: do you make Teclab - Laboratory Furniture? I don't see what your "teclab" is...
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Funnily enough I was looking at a board analysis of the rx480 and they mentioned the outstanding ability of the controller to suppress spikes.
Are you not Brazilian? Cause you not being Brazilian would explain a whole lot
To be fair the card doesn't spike that much, despite it pulling more power. Those chokes probably prevent spiking to the GPU very efficiently as well.
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Yes, I wasn't knocking AMD's power delivery either by the way, it was just a quip about the necessity for robust power delivery for a gpu with this behavior.
This thing could power a gtx 1080 pretty comfortably
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nope Canadian. and wtf is that supposed to mean?
Riiigggghhht ...
lol sorry wasn't trying to call you out either!
And yea this power delivery system looks like the one on the Fury X but that uses a 6 phase, couldn't find much else about it.
edit: Actually the 290x ref uses a 5+1 and I think the 390x does too.
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I was going to purchase an RX480, 1080p is exactly where I want to be (I'm blind, until I can upgrade my eyes 1440 just isn't an option!), but definitely in a holding pattern now.
Probably wait until after-markets provide other options, but really wanted to make a purchase now.
Probably wait until after-markets provide other options, but really wanted to make a purchase now.
I think he means teclab is Brazilian, so you not knowing of them makes sense if you're not from there...
At this point, I'm actually curious why power is still delivered through the PCIe interface anyways. Why not flat out use 6/8 pin connectors period for such cards as GPUs? Hell, wasn't there even a sound card (I want to say from Creative Labs) that uses a floppy drive power connector for the card?
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Because having PCIe cables from the PSU raises the bill of materials and cost. The PSU also has to supply more power to accommodate the cable. It's one of the reasons some websites still pick make recommendations for low cost cards based on needing PCIe or not.
No, we are just poor crazy guys... but well known and considered by community there.
We have also our own videocard models.
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We have certified a lot of Galax models.
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We just do our best, and try to have a good community in Brazil.
I am amazed with how interaction from HardForum, because I am from Xtreme Systems time... and now, I though OCN was the only monster forum... but it's a mistake.
I hope I can be part of this forum, and can share information by ourselves with the members here.
Just a pity that some mistaken words ... maybe cannot let me be understood.
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We understand you well enough and we're glad to have you!
Thanks Sir.
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Excellent level, and I have a lot to learn, teach and share.
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Motherboard? If you don't make overclock or don't want fancy stuff you don't need an expensive board. Power supply is a different story and everybody needs a decent one. But motherboard? Nope.
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most cards don't use much of the pcie interface, i mean
This is confusing ! I was saying to him that he has never heard of you, because you are a brazilian tech news outlet, so he has never heard of you it is normal. I was telling him basically not to doubt you just because he hasnt heard of you.
We appreciate your posting here ! Really ! Ignore the buffoons
Just going through one of techlab's videos ya can tell they really know what they are doing lol.
Trust me you are well received
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Yeah, they're just having a blast being geeks. The videos are pretty cool.
Remember though the spec includes +/- from ideal output, so missing the spec in either direction is pretty bad. Seriously, this is the type of thing we aren't supposed to have to worry about anymore.
Did you find your crayon box >?
BTW guys the guy that stated his card fried his motherboard, posted up pics for everyone complaining about why there aren't posting pictures.
PCI-E slot died with RX 480 | Community
Its clearly visible the area of where the motherboard melted/burned.
PCI-E slot died with RX 480 | Community
Its clearly visible the area of where the motherboard melted/burned.
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Nice here...
Maybe he never heard about us, because he is not confident to extreme overclocking, but enthusiast.
I was finalist from Master Overclocking Arena 2009, 2010, 2011, and I won 2013 MOA Free Style.
2014 I was Pan American #1st place, and then got high fever and didn't go to the finals...
Even in 2014 and 2015, I was no more compatitor, but one of the main Judges from GOC, the biggest overclocking competition ever.
People know me very well in Hwbot, since I was old school there...
In the Pro League time, I was one of the top 3 guys... hahaha... Andre Yang's time...
I not consider me nothing, since I have good relationship with Shamino, and even TiN... and you know... they are the guys...
I started to learn after to see Shamino jobs, about 10 or 11 years ago... and then I though... I need to learn.... hahaha
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Maybe he never heard about us, because he is not confident to extreme overclocking, but enthusiast.
I was finalist from Master Overclocking Arena 2009, 2010, 2011, and I won 2013 MOA Free Style.
2014 I was Pan American #1st place, and then got high fever and didn't go to the finals...
Even in 2014 and 2015, I was no more compatitor, but one of the main Judges from GOC, the biggest overclocking competition ever.
People know me very well in Hwbot, since I was old school there...
In the Pro League time, I was one of the top 3 guys... hahaha... Andre Yang's time...
I not consider me nothing, since I have good relationship with Shamino, and even TiN... and you know... they are the guys...
I started to learn after to see Shamino jobs, about 10 or 11 years ago... and then I though... I need to learn.... hahaha
MSI MOA 2013 Freestyle Battle : MSI Master Overclocking Arena 2013 - Breaking World Records
hahaha
The ridiculous english
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Took me quite a bit of looking, actually.
But yeah, it's legitimately a burned mobo.
But yeah, it's legitimately a burned mobo.
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Lot of placebo effect floating around. We should've been hearing about dead pci-e slots for years by now.
I do not know why everyone on various forums keeps bringing up the 960
The important variable if looking at this from a spec's perspective is the average and not the peak spurs-bursts that are very short instananeous dynamic bursts.
The dynamic spurs can only be made into real sense if one has the data and can zoom the window size to look at a segment in more detail (by reducing the duration to say 2-5seconds), and even so it still would show there is no issues apart from when it is excessive for the PCIe mainboard slot could introduce noise.
Anyway going by the lines provided, the Asus Strix averages under 50W for the mainboard slot (back then chart named it PEG) and under 60W average for the auxiliary connector.
This has now also been verified by PCPer who analysed their own Asus 960 Strix, mainly because Allyn had to keep telling people the Tom' Hardware charts showed no issues for the Asus 960.
Power Consumption Concerns on the Radeon RX 480 | Evaluating the ASUS GTX 960 Strix
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there is clear damage there but what is all the yellowy junk? looks almost like spill damage. like he drooled over his new 480...
and ieldra, jesus you get around! youre in everything amd related, everywhere.
and ieldra, jesus you get around! youre in everything amd related, everywhere.
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I do not know why everyone on various forums keeps bringing up the 960
The important variable if looking at this from a spec's perspective is the average and not the peak spurs-bursts that are very short instananeous dynamic bursts.
The dynamic spurs can only be made into real sense if one has the data and can zoom the window size to look at a segment in more detail (by reducing the duration to say 2-5seconds), and even so it still would show there is no issues apart from when it is excessive for the PCIe mainboard slot could introduce noise.
Anyway going by the lines provided, the Asus Strix averages under 50W for the mainboard slot (back then chart named it PEG) and under 60W average for the auxiliary connector.
This has now also been verified by PCPer who analysed their own Asus 960 Strix, mainly because Allyn had to keep telling people the Tom' Hardware charts showed no issues for the Asus 960.
Power Consumption Concerns on the Radeon RX 480 | Evaluating the ASUS GTX 960 Strix
So there you have it - while I cannot say for certain that NO previous graphics card in recent memory hasn't behaved in the same fashion that the new AMD Radeon RX 480 does, I can categorically discount the notion that the ASUS GTX 960 Strix is somehow equivalent in its power delivery. I know that many of you still look at the spike wattage output numbers provided by the Tom's Hardware testing methods, but I encourage you to re-read what I posted on the first page of this story:
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AdoredTV used the strix 960 argument to justify the gtx 480 here, i was spammed with it the moment he posted it lol. He convieniently ignores the distribution of the load, and the differences between the two, and the averages, and the fact that Tom's measures at very high frequency . Oh well. Just another thing to add to his sizeable list of mistakes and mispredictions.
Huh ?
My line of thought exactly. When I saw the board and processor he was working with I kind of cringed. Not that I'm excusing the issues AMD is having because they should have taken into consideration that people with older rigs or those built on the cheap could be subjected to problems.
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It shows how much bs posted by AMD "fans" needs correcting.
its melted and charred.
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Yeah, at least AMD didn't name it something that would sound ironic in the context of its performance, you know, like name it after the god of fire, or a star.
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The all new AMD 480 Fire Hazard
To put into perspective the power distribution and why it is an anomaly by AMD.
Here is the power consumption chart for the 295x2:
Again to clarify with these older charts; the PEG is the mainboard PCIe 16x slot, while the 12V PCI-E are the auxiliary 2x8-pin connectors.
As can be seen this monster card puts zero pressure on the mainboard slot as it only draws 28W average.
However the PCIe spec limit for 8-pin is 150W, so we have 400W average over 300W combined PCI Sig defined connectors.
Now this is not an issue because the auxiliary 8-pin as defined by ATX12V-Molex is rated at 8A and so each 8-pin connector supports 288W, giving combined 576W.
This is why AMD was pretty indifferent and confident about the power consumption of the 295x2, but did emphasise a very good PC system is required (which makes sense as you also need the right AWG wires/PSU/etc).
Anyway, the main point is that all the pressure was put on the auxiliary connectors, while they kept the mainboard slot within spec; for a card that was deliberately designed not to worry about PCIe spec.
This is different power distribution configuration and characterstic to the 480 which is putting a lot of pressure on the mainboard slot; more of a potential issue with budgest and lower end mainstream, or more generally if increasing power target or clocks-voltage, and definitely a consideration if going 2x480 in a PC.
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Here is the power consumption chart for the 295x2:
Again to clarify with these older charts; the PEG is the mainboard PCIe 16x slot, while the 12V PCI-E are the auxiliary 2x8-pin connectors.
As can be seen this monster card puts zero pressure on the mainboard slot as it only draws 28W average.
However the PCIe spec limit for 8-pin is 150W, so we have 400W average over 300W combined PCI Sig defined connectors.
Now this is not an issue because the auxiliary 8-pin as defined by ATX12V-Molex is rated at 8A and so each 8-pin connector supports 288W, giving combined 576W.
This is why AMD was pretty indifferent and confident about the power consumption of the 295x2, but did emphasise a very good PC system is required (which makes sense as you also need the right AWG wires/PSU/etc).
Anyway, the main point is that all the pressure was put on the auxiliary connectors, while they kept the mainboard slot within spec; for a card that was deliberately designed not to worry about PCIe spec.
This is different power distribution configuration and characterstic to the 480 which is putting a lot of pressure on the mainboard slot; more of a potential issue with budgest and lower end mainstream, or more generally if increasing power target or clocks-voltage, and definitely a consideration if going 2x480 in a PC.
Cheers
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