Gtx 1080 benchmarked

Armenius said:
AMD the last bastion of hope? Please... as a business they're after the same thing. AMD have been trying to steer the direction of computing technology for a long time in the guise of helping the community while all it's really doing is trying to push people to buy their hardware. And honestly I don't blame them when their marketshare in both the CPU and discrete GPU markets are now in the 30% range and continue to fall.

People working within these companies may be trying to do good, but businesses at the end of the day are always serving their own self interest. The sooner you realize this the happier you'll be.
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I don't get why so many of you complain about whether the means is ambivalent or not when the ends definitely benefit us as a whole. Between the 2 which has consistently over the years pushed open source or attempted to change the landscape to the benefit of the whole? Sorry but I don't remember in recent history, actually at all, Nvidia ever doing this. So then the point still remains that regardless of position or any of the IFs, AMD has done more for the community/gamers as a whole than Nvidia. Not sure why argue about the whys or IFs when it doesn't change the ENDs.
 
JustReason said:
I don't get why so many of you complain about whether the means is ambivalent or not when the ends definitely benefit us as a whole. Between the 2 which has consistently over the years pushed open source or attempted to change the landscape to the benefit of the whole? Sorry but I don't remember in recent history, actually at all, Nvidia ever doing this. So then the point still remains that regardless of position or any of the IFs, AMD has done more for the community/gamers as a whole than Nvidia. Not sure why argue about the whys or IFs when it doesn't change the ENDs.
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Between the 2 which has consistently over the years been trampled on and had it's lineup reduced to a mangled underpriced mess that was totally useless on mobile and forcing them to price match the other despite have significantly bigger dies ? Which of the two would open source it's own mother if it got them an extra dime or two? Which of the two is actually capable of maintaining high performance closed-source libraries that actually have significant development and maintenance time dedicated to them?

Community, "gamers", lol. I can't believe you buy this .

AMD's only cares about the community insofar as the community buys their shit, if they could pay back their debts by revoking all their open source initiatives they would so do without batting an eye

The only real difference between AMD and NVIDIA is that the latter is far more successful
 
Ieldra said:
Between the 2 which has consistently over the years been trampled on and had it's lineup reduced to a mangled underpriced mess that was totally useless on mobile and forcing them to price match the other despite have significantly bigger dies ? Which of the two would open source it's own mother if it got them an extra dime or two? Which of the two is actually capable of maintaining high performance closed-source libraries that actually have significant development and maintenance time dedicated to them?

Community, "gamers", lol. I can't believe you buy this .

AMD's only cares about the community insofar as the community buys their shit, if they could pay back their debts by revoking all their open source initiatives they would so do without batting an eye

The only real difference between AMD and NVIDIA is that the latter is far more successful
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Why because you love Nvidia? Sorry but prove what you say is true. Give me the results where Nvidia has release any tech or software or standards that benefitted all.

AMD: TressFX/Purehair which then leads to OpenGPU, Mantle to DX12, HBM, HSA and its pursuits.

I don't care about the intentions just the outcomes. You argue the intents when you can prove none of it, yet the outcomes as I stated are irrefutable.
 
JustReason said:
Why because you love Nvidia? Sorry but prove what you say is true. Give me the results where Nvidia has release any tech or software or standards that benefitted all.

AMD: TressFX/Purehair which then leads to OpenGPU, Mantle to DX12, HBM, HSA and its pursuits.

I don't care about the intentions just the outcomes. You argue the intents when you can prove none of it, yet the outcomes as I stated are irrefutable.
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I'm guessing you haven't been following the industry long. The shader programming model we've been using for the last 10 years was introduced with G80 back in 2006 and the basic hardware implementation hasn't changed much since then (AMD eventually adopted a similar implementation with GCN).

Both companies have innovated over the years. You don't achieve 80% market share by standing on the sidelines.

nVidia in particular has done a lot of work these past few years pushing new shadow mapping, anti-aliasing and image space post-processing techniques. This info is out there if you want to find it.
 
JustReason said:
Why because you love Nvidia? Sorry but prove what you say is true. Give me the results where Nvidia has release any tech or software or standards that benefitted all.

AMD: TressFX/Purehair which then leads to OpenGPU, Mantle to DX12, HBM, HSA and its pursuits.

I don't care about the intentions just the outcomes. You argue the intents when you can prove none of it, yet the outcomes as I stated are irrefutable.
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Dude really? You don't realize how much nV has done for the dev community of the past 20 years? They have done more than AMD could have done in a 100 years..... Its because of nV AMD even has a dev program.
 
MangoSeed said:
I'm guessing you haven't been following the industry long. The shader programming model we've been using for the last 10 years was introduced with G80 back in 2006 and the basic hardware implementation hasn't changed much since then (AMD eventually adopted a similar implementation with GCN).

Both companies have innovated over the years. You don't achieve 80% market share by standing on the sidelines.

nVidia in particular has done a lot of work these past few years pushing new shadow mapping, anti-aliasing and image space post-processing techniques. This info is out there if you want to find it.
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I was only referencing this complaining about the means rather than accepting the ENDs. It had nothing to do with who innovates and who doesn't.
 
razor1 said:
Dude really? You don't realize how much nV has done for the dev community of the past 20 years? They have done more than AMD could have done in a 100 years..... Its because of nV AMD even has a dev program.
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Stating it doesn't make it fact. It is widely known that Nvidia tech is overwhelmingly PROPRIETARY, AMD tech OPEN. Regardless of the intent or reason be it money or marketshare, the ENDs are as I stated and arguing the Means and Intents does not change the outcome.
 
I don't give a shit if its open or closed, cause they have books that explain this stuff.... nV made programming books, aka gpu gems, with many many examples for free.

GPU gems, started with the 6800 series, I suggest you grab one of the 4 or 5 books, they have published so far.
 
JustReason said:
I was only referencing this complaining about the means rather than accepting the ENDs. It had nothing to do with who innovates and who doesn't.
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Right, so then it shouldn't matter whether it's open or proprietary as long as we get the desired outcome.
 
Lol wow.

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evilgrin said:
another incremental update from nvidia, big shocker.
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You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means :D

Although speedwise it seems incremental if you aren't using multimonitor or VR, the features there seem much more than incremental. I just built a new system in January so I'm not ready to upgrade so soon, but when they release a Pascal version of Titan or 1080Ti with water cooling later this year or next I will probably be ready to upgrade then.
 
To people complaining about incremental updates...this is typical. The standard cycle is:

x80 = new flagship
x70 = fast as last model's x80
x60 = fast as last model's x70
x50 = fast as last model's x60

So long as that occurs at the same price point, that's a standard trend. Where complaints arise is when the above occurs, but prices are raised (GTX 780), or, when the new model doesn't match or beat the prior generation's step up (GTX 960/950). If Nvidia is to be believed in regards to their claims of the 1080/1070, then these are are a significant step up over what is typical, at a slight boost in price. I eagerly await official reviews from various reputable outlets.
 
JustReason said:
Stating it doesn't make it fact. It is widely known that Nvidia tech is overwhelmingly PROPRIETARY, AMD tech OPEN. Regardless of the intent or reason be it money or marketshare, the ENDs are as I stated and arguing the Means and Intents does not change the outcome.
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"Open" doesn't mean jack shit if it doesn't run at all on anyone else's equipment. Fuck, Mantle never even ran right on AMD cards.

I seem to be the only one worried that the shitty Mantle code was incorporated into DX12. Given it's track record my first response was "aww fuck".

From Brett's performance reviews it looks like nVidia's tech hits both brands equally. I could care less if it's open or closed if it works for everyone. I'd rather "closed" that works quite well for everyone than "open" that works like fuck all on one brand and not at all on everyone else's. Yeah, that's really helping out gamers....
 
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kbrickley said:
You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means :D

Although speedwise it seems incremental if you aren't using multimonitor or VR, the features there seem much more than incremental. I just built a new system in January so I'm not ready to upgrade so soon, but when they release a Pascal version of Titan or 1080Ti with water cooling later this year or next I will probably be ready to upgrade then.
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ive posted once in the thread, and im good on my definitions. We can setup a chat if you want to go over them though.
 
evilgrin said:
ive posted once in the thread, and im good on my definitions. We can setup a chat if you want to go over them though.
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The fact that I was quoting the Princess Bride indicated I'm not that worried about this :D

I am not in the market for a new card until much later since I just got a new system. I will get whatever the latest NVidia offering is when I'm ready to upgrade. I haven't bought an AMD card in about 10 years (back when they were still Radeon). I am firmly in team Green now. It will be interesting to see how the benchmarks come out when all the official ones hit, especially those verifying the multi-monitor setup. I wasn't ready to make the jump the 4K yet since there wasn't a single card solution that could reliably run it. Depending on how the formal benchmarks come out it might be feasible to do triple 4K on two Titans, whenever they launch the new flagship card. Time will tell.
 
Dayaks said:
"Open" doesn't mean jack shit if it doesn't run at all on anyone else's equipment. Fuck, Mantle never even ran right on AMD cards.

I seem to be the only one worried that the shitty Mantle code was incorporated into DX12. Given it's track record my first response was "aww fuck".

From Brett's performance reviews it looks like nVidia's tech hits both brands equally. I could care less if it's open or closed if it works for everyone. I'd rather "closed" that works quite well for everyone than "open" that works like fuck all on one brand and not at all on everyone else's. Yeah, that's really helping out gamers....
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Exactly. Some people think open = good, but in reality the majority of open source software does not work anywhere close to as good as their closed counterparts.

Open shitty source is still shitty source.
 
There is no life span for an Nvidia product as they give up or gimp past products to make you buy there new crap and the idea really works or AMD just makes better hardware as it is one of the two.. proof is the HD7970 and R9-290X and the long life both have enjoyed as they are still doing battle with Nvidia's current line up and holding there ground in DX 12.

AMD is still milking performance out of both cards but Nvidia I don't think they have much to offer my 770GTX 4Gb going forward because that's there business model on how to make me buy one of there new products .
 
crazycrave said:
There is no life span for an Nvidia product as they give up or gimp past products to make you buy there new crap and the idea really works or AMD just makes better hardware as it is one of the two.. proof is the HD7970 and R9-290X and the long life both have enjoyed as they are still doing battle with Nvidia's current line up and holding there ground in DX 12.

AMD is still milking performance out of both cards but Nvidia I don't think they have much to offer my 770GTX 4Gb going forward because that's there business model on how to make me buy one of there new products .
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The same old crap about gimping past products. Please read up on some actual facts.
 
Ieldra said:
The only real difference between AMD and NVIDIA is that the latter is far more successful
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JustReason said:
It is widely known that Nvidia tech is overwhelmingly PROPRIETARY, AMD tech OPEN. Regardless of the intent or reason be it money or marketshare, the ENDs are as I stated and arguing the Means and Intents does not change the outcome.
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The Linux community is obviously *HUGE* on open source. AMD's drivers may have been open source for some time now, but the simple fact remains that nVidia's proprietary tech has been what has worked most reliably and at a higher level of performance. When it comes to GPU drivers, open source means both jack and squat to me. I just want what works best.
 
If there are people out in the wild who are better at developing drivers than AMD/Nvidia's engineers, then those people should be hired. That's one benefit of crowd-sourcing, you can find a lot of raw talent as long as you pay attention.

How much does a driver engineer make at Nvidia? 100k? That's pennies for the amount Nvidia benefits. Their entire company rides on the backbone of their driver.
 
crazycrave said:
There is no life span for an Nvidia product as they give up or gimp past products to make you buy there new crap and the idea really works or AMD just makes better hardware as it is one of the two.. proof is the HD7970 and R9-290X and the long life both have enjoyed as they are still doing battle with Nvidia's current line up and holding there ground in DX 12.

AMD is still milking performance out of both cards but Nvidia I don't think they have much to offer my 770GTX 4Gb going forward because that's there business model on how to make me buy one of there new products .
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one thing is gimp cards with purpose, the other just stop to focus resources on improve EOL products. that's it. Nvidia don't gimp cards, the performance its still the same, they just stop to improve for modern gaming that's the whole difference with AMD, because AMD hasn't changed the architecture since thee HD7970 with GCN 1.0 all the way up to Fury X but just with some improvements, that allow that every improvement they make with newer cards can be applied to also old cards because they share the arch and that's the reason why the 7970 rebranded as 280X with high core/mem clocks and the 290X rebranded as 390X again with high core/mem clocks has allowed AMD extend the lifespan of old cards... if you see old games where HD7970ghz traded blows with GTX 680/770 you will noticed that they will still perform somewhat similar, which also apply to GTX 780TI/R9 290X isn't just like AMD have better hardware its just the fact that they haven't changed the architecture and every improvement they can make now to drivers/games can be applied to older cards.
 
MangoSeed said:
Yeah no kidding. Hoping for a decent bump from the 1060 so I can upgrade the htpc.
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My 960 4GB crushes what my 770 2GB could do in real-life use, mostly seem in keeping stable framerate in Battlefront, GTA V, new Assassins Creed games and that travesty of Arkham Knight - other than the few AAA games I play most Steam stuff looks the same so this is just my own experience , may be different when looking at charts and the like
 
I'm looking forward to the release of the Ti version. I want to treat myself to their flagship this time around.
 
JohnC0817 said:
I'm looking forward to the release of the Ti version. I want to treat myself to their flagship this time around.
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Same for me, first time in 10+ years (not sure if you'd call Geforce 2 Ultra or TI 4600 flagship, though)
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
If there are people out in the wild who are better at developing drivers than AMD/Nvidia's engineers, then those people should be hired. That's one benefit of crowd-sourcing, you can find a lot of raw talent as long as you pay attention.

How much does a driver engineer make at Nvidia? 100k? That's pennies for the amount Nvidia benefits. Their entire company rides on the backbone of their driver.
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Not anymore, now it will increasingly ride on how well game devs and engine makers tool their games/engines to run optimally on their gpus... which is why I think the nvidia outreach to game companies and engine makers will expand, they will repurpose some of the driver team as direct liaisons to game companies to hand hold them to try and prevent things like arkham knight.
 
{NG}Fidel said:
Maybe now that pr hype will die down. Faster than sli 980s my ass.
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I'll wait until we see real reviews, not binned chips running with a stupid high overclock (2100mhz) that maybe 1% of their silicon will be able to handle.
 
Araxie said:
one thing is gimp cards with purpose, the other just stop to focus resources on improve EOL products. that's it. Nvidia don't gimp cards, the performance its still the same, they just stop to improve for modern gaming that's the whole difference with AMD, because AMD hasn't changed the architecture since thee HD7970 with GCN 1.0 all the way up to Fury X but just with some improvements, that allow that every improvement they make with newer cards can be applied to also old cards because they share the arch and that's the reason why the 7970 rebranded as 280X with high core/mem clocks and the 290X rebranded as 390X again with high core/mem clocks has allowed AMD extend the lifespan of old cards... if you see old games where HD7970ghz traded blows with GTX 680/770 you will noticed that they will still perform somewhat similar, which also apply to GTX 780TI/R9 290X isn't just like AMD have better hardware its just the fact that they haven't changed the architecture and every improvement they can make now to drivers/games can be applied to older cards.
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Same result, amd cards hold up better over time. Different motivation, makes nvidia look less ruthless and amd less noble, so it makes sense nvidias defenders would lean on that explanation. Either way, the result is the same though. AMD cards hold up better over time, and I fully expect maxwell cards to drop off after pascal unless they too are almost the same architecturally.
 
Nebell said:
You are right, AMD would be the same, but, without AMD it's a monopoly, and monopoly is not good for us. We need AMD to be on par. I am a customer, and I want faster a d cheaper cards. That can only be achieved when more companies fight for the customers, not when one company can dictate the price and performance.
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Right on. If AMD was competing at the high-end, NV would have priced the 1080 at $550, not $599, and wouldn't have tried to price-gouge to $699 for the first month or so. Since AMD isn't competitive, NV can charge whatever they want.
 
tybert7 said:
Same result, amd cards hold up better over time. Different motivation, makes nvidia look less ruthless and amd less noble, so it makes sense nvidias defenders would lean on that explanation. Either way, the result is the same though. AMD cards hold up better over time, and I fully expect maxwell cards to drop off after pascal unless they too are almost the same architecturally.
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They have been rebranding cards for how many generations? Of course cards that came out for AMD 3 gens ago are still valid.......

Look at the g80 how many generations did it last? That was 3 generations of cards too. Both companies do the same when they are able to get away with it. I think the re branded the 8800 gtx for 3 generations, I might be wrong, can't remember all of it. They also had a die shrink in there but that too was pretty much the same architecture.
 
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