Zuckerberg Blasts Facebook Staff For Defacing Slogan On Walls

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If you can't control your staff, maybe you shouldn't let them write on the walls in the first place? Who decided it was a good idea to put one group's slogan on the wall and not others? Facebook should be more worried about improving diversity in the workplace instead of just writing about it on the walls. :rolleyes:

Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg has ordered employees to stop crossing out the phrase "Black Lives Matter" on the walls at its Menlo Park, California, headquarters. In an internal post to employees this week, Zuckerberg said there have been several instances of the phrase being crossed out and replaced with "all lives matter" on the company's chalkboard and white-board walls, which employees and visitors are encouraged to write on.
 
wow how about skipping all of the BS of writing on the walls at work and uh, just do your job? if one person writes their opinion on the wall then the other person should be able to cross out the slogan (their opinion).
 
YeuEmMaiMai said:
wow how about skipping all of the BS of writing on the walls at work and uh, just do your job? if one person writes their opinion on the wall then the other person should be able to cross out the slogan (their opinion).
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People don't understand that crossing out "Black Lives Matter" and writing "All Lives Matter" is taking the focus away from the problem. As a whole, police need to have more respect for the sanctity of life. However, there is a vast disproportion of brutality towards blacks which is the issue here and why the slogan is important.

Do us white folk (I'm sure the person who did it was white) really need to cross that out and try to draw the attention back to us?
 
Before any one group starts blaming another for it's problems, they might want to address the problems they are causing first....

No one with an ounce of sanity is going to take you seriously if you are holding up the wrong individuals as examples... Parents would be wise to teach their kids not to hate others just because they are a different color.... and to actually RESPECT authority.

people do enough stupid things on their own to bring unwanted attention to themselves... you know like walking in the middle of the street and then mouthing off when you are asked to walk on a sidewalk by a police officer...
 
I think it was personally distasteful for the individual to do this, but at the same time this is a professional work place and they should not allow this type of stuff to be on the walls to begin with.

Leave politics to small talk at the water cooler.
 
bigdogchris said:
People don't understand that crossing out "Black Lives Matter" and writing "All Lives Matter" is taking the focus away from the problem. As a whole, police need to have more respect for the sanctity of life. However, there is a vast disproportion of brutality towards blacks which is the issue here and why the slogan is important.

Do us white folk (I'm sure the person who did it was white) really need to cross that out and try to draw the attention back to us?
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Yeah, while "All lives matter" certainly is true, we don't overwhelmingly have a systemic problem with police brutality against any other groups other than African Americans.

I certainly support that all lives DO matter, but the problem is that the phrase has come to represent a racially intolerant viewpoint, since it has been used dismissively one to many times.

It's all amount connotation rather than denotation. (Thanks High School Literature Teacher :p )

In keeping with the "reductio ad hitlerum" nature of arguments on forums, here is an example:

The term "Sieg Heil", literally translates to hail victory. Nothing wrong with that, but run around yelling it and you are going to start offending people due to the connotation to the context in which it was overwhelmingly used...
 
How about a company policy to leave politics and all social issues OFF the damn board.

Black lives matter really is a hypocrisy movement because the vast vast vast majority of black homicides are black on black. I'm talking into the mid 90's percentage wise.

In fact if you are WHITE, you are more likely to be murdered by a different race 17% versus if you are black 10%
 
bigdogchris said:
People don't understand that crossing out "Black Lives Matter" and writing "All Lives Matter" is taking the focus away from the problem. As a whole, police need to have more respect for the sanctity of life. However, there is a vast disproportion of brutality towards blacks which is the issue here and why the slogan is important.

Do us white folk (I'm sure the person who did it was white) really need to cross that out and try to draw the attention back to us?
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I appreciate your comment. I get it. Every time I or anyone else looks on the news in the US, there's no lack of black guys wanted for or accused of a crime. I know a number of black acquaintances and family that have or are serving time in the big house. And of what I know personally of the details of these situations, none of them were railroaded. But had they had the resources or some blacks on the jury, things probably would have been different for some of them, but it's likely they'd still have ended up in some other mess.

A lot of history here and a great deal of distrust by the black community of law enforcement and the judicial system to the point that plenty of decent black people have no faith in these systems because of race issues. All I can say is what my mother taught me, just stay out of trouble.
 
DigitalGriffin said:
Black lives matter really is a hypocrisy movement because the vast vast vast majority of black homicides are black on black. I'm talking into the mid 90's percentage wise.
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That is kind of a red herring.

Crime is one thing, but when police officers are responsible, and authorities fail to press charges against them, you are getting awfully close to the realms of state sanctioned murder of a minority group, which is certainly very concerning, especially in the U.S. in 2016.
 
bigdogchris said:
People don't understand that crossing out "Black Lives Matter" and writing "All Lives Matter" is taking the focus away from the problem. As a whole, police need to have more respect for the sanctity of life. However, there is a vast disproportion of brutality towards blacks which is the issue here and why the slogan is important.

Do us white folk (I'm sure the person who did it was white) really need to cross that out and try to draw the attention back to us?
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That's your version of the problem. In my mind, if you cooperate with the police and not assault them your chances of getting your ass kicked or shot drops off dramatically. Do police need more "policing"? I would agree with that. Body cams, etc. But the idea that all police are "out to get" black people is absurd.
 
DigitalGriffin said:
How about a company policy to leave politics and all social issues OFF the damn board.
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This I agree with. Unless it is an issue directly related to your business (Like Apple and the FBI Decryption court order) politics really should stay out of the workplace.

There are certain things which are just unprofessional to discuss at work, including politics, religion, sex/sexuality and income. There are probably more but they are escaping me right now.
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
That is kind of a red herring.

Crime is one thing, but when police officers are responsible, and authorities fail to press charges against them, you are getting awfully close to the realms of state sanctioned murder of a minority group, which is certainly very concerning, especially in the U.S. in 2016.
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Maybe you should go back and read the bit about "it's actually more likely to be killed by someone of another race if you are a white person."

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An updated look at statistics on black-on-black murders

Black lives matter is in of itself a red herring because it fails to look at cultural break down. It's easier to point the finger at the boogie man when you should be looking in the mirror.

Does that make me a racist? I work with numbers. If working with empirical evidence makes me a jackass racist, then so be it. Ignoring the problem doesn't make it go away.

And yes I have a great amount of respect for some of my coworkers who are minorities (including African American/Black/Indian/Asain)
 
All lives do matter, but this isn't about that. It is about us white people trying to make everything about us no matter what the situation. Maybe not even as an entire group but I am personally seeing too many of those people (that guy you want to go to for help about a problem and the conversations always turn into something relating to him and you get ignored).
 
Darunion said:
All lives do matter, but this isn't about that. It is about us white people trying to make everything about us no matter what the situation. Maybe not even as an entire group but I am personally seeing too many of those people (that guy you want to go to for help about a problem and the conversations always turn into something relating to him and you get ignored).
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No it's about outing incorrect "White Guilt" BS.

If someone tells me I'm a racist, I'll happily point out that I have never once discriminated against anyone based on their skin color. Everyone gets the same chance in my book.
 
DigitalGriffin said:
How about a company policy to leave politics and all social issues OFF the damn board.

Black lives matter really is a hypocrisy movement because the vast vast vast majority of black homicides are black on black. I'm talking into the mid 90's percentage wise.

In fact if you are WHITE, you are more likely to be murdered by a different race 17% versus if you are black 10%
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There's a lot more acknowledgement of this problem in the black community than you may realize, especially in black churches. But like everything else, it's the historic and bitter fights that get the attention. A very common point made on this subject are too many poor black neighborhoods and lack of educational and other resources. And gee, just look at how contentious those issues are. Anytime there's a thread about diversity or educational grants to minorities, it devolves into the same arguments that we've had for centuries on the subject.
 
The only solution is going to be more cameras. Body cameras on police, street cameras, cameras anywhere and everywhere. The public needs to see exactly what the police are dealing with on a daily basis.

This way, the racist cops who get out of bed and decide to murder innocent, law abiding black people are held accountable.

Likewise, those who attack police officers and suffer the consequences will not become martyrs for the Black Lies Matter movement. If the Ferguson incident had been caught on camera, perhaps all of those minority owned businesses would not have been burned down at the behest of Sharpton and other professional race-baiters.
 
DigitalGriffin said:
Maybe you should go back and read the bit about "it's actually more likely to be killed by someone of another race if you are a white person."

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An updated look at statistics on black-on-black murders

Black lives matter is in of itself a red herring because it fails to look at cultural break down. It's easier to point the finger at the boogie man when you should be looking in the mirror.

Does that make me a racist? I work with numbers. If working with empirical evidence makes me a jackass racist, then so be it. Ignoring the problem doesn't make it go away.

And yes I have a great amount of respect for some of my coworkers who are minorities (including African American/Black/Indian/Asain)
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The only real way to reduce black crime is to get those criminals out of relative poverty compared to white people. And we all know how popular affirmative action is around here.
 
Monkey God said:
That's your version of the problem. In my mind, if you cooperate with the police and not assault them your chances of getting your ass kicked or shot drops off dramatically. Do police need more "policing"? I would agree with that. Body cams, etc. But the idea that all police are "out to get" black people is absurd.
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Not many can handle the truth.
 
Monkey God said:
But the idea that all police are "out to get" black people is absurd.
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It may not be all the police, but it seems like there is a major event every few months.

Whatever happened to Sandra Bland? A girl who was pulled over for a turn signal and then murdered in police custody. This shit happens all the time.
 
Singling out an individual race via a slogan like "black lives matter" only serves to help perpetuate the de facto segregation imposed upon said race primarily by the self-anointed leaders of said community. Identifying and correcting problems is indeed very important, but I don't see why it can't be done on the individual level as opposed to the racial level. When people (including police offers, etc) are expected to act differently simply based upon the race of the individual that they are interacting with, there is a word for that; it's called Racism.
 
DocSavage said:
The only real way to reduce black crime is to get those criminals out of relative poverty compared to white people. And we all know how popular affirmative action is around here.
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poverty does not change one's character... poor scumbag only becomes rich scumbag

example you ask?

Lottery winners as a whole group
 
DigitalGriffin said:
How about a company policy to leave politics and all social issues OFF the damn board.

Black lives matter really is a hypocrisy movement because the vast vast vast majority of black homicides are black on black. I'm talking into the mid 90's percentage wise.

In fact if you are WHITE, you are more likely to be murdered by a different race 17% versus if you are black 10%
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So, you're red herring because that only matters if 90% of black on black violence was that one side was a cop. Since they are talking about cops killing black people, the relevant statistic would be percentage of kills for white cops on black people, white cops on white people, black cops on black people, and black cops on white people to be relevant for this argument.

Otherwise, all you are saying is "but statistics show that since this person killed their lover and they are both black, thus cops killing black people don't matter!"
 
DigitalGriffin said:
Maybe you should go back and read the bit about "it's actually more likely to be killed by someone of another race if you are a white person."

RIF

An updated look at statistics on black-on-black murders

Black lives matter is in of itself a red herring because it fails to look at cultural break down. It's easier to point the finger at the boogie man when you should be looking in the mirror.

Does that make me a racist? I work with numbers. If working with empirical evidence makes me a jackass racist, then so be it. Ignoring the problem doesn't make it go away.

And yes I have a great amount of respect for some of my coworkers who are minorities (including African American/Black/Indian/Asain)
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No, I hear what you are saying, and I am not questioning your data. I am also an applied statistician (Six Sigma Black Belt here) I am simply saying that it is completely irrelevant to this issue, unless you show that those white people are being killed by police officers as well.

We are talking about state sanctioned murder here. We know there are criminals. There will always be criminals. The problem is that when the people who are supposed to be protecting us are the ones doing the harm.

You can analyze that data of yours every which way you want, and it still won't matter because it's not the relevant data for this conversation.
 
Darunion said:
All lives do matter, but this isn't about that. It is about us white people trying to make everything about us no matter what the situation. Maybe not even as an entire group but I am personally seeing too many of those people (that guy you want to go to for help about a problem and the conversations always turn into something relating to him and you get ignored).
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The F are you talking about, it's not about shifting to focus to white people, but to ALL people. Isn't that how we're supposed to think? Everyone is equal. How do you know it wasn't an Indian or Asian person that crossed it out? Do you know why there is so much segregation in schools now?? THE PC POLICE. Why the hell do we have to have a Hispanic caucus, or a black only "Safe Zone"? They have done this to themselves.
 
GotNoRice said:
Singling out an individual race via a slogan like "black lives matter" only serves to help perpetuate the de facto segregation imposed upon said race primarily by the self-anointed leaders of said community. Identifying and correcting problems is indeed very important, but I don't see why it can't be done on the individual level as opposed to the racial level. When people (including police offers, etc) are expected to act differently simply based upon the race of the individual that they are interacting with, there is a word for that; it's called Racism.
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That's because the assumption is that white people already "matter" to cops. The rationale is that they have to tell you that that black people being killed is a problem, so they have to say "black lives matter" since "all lives matter" could be talking about anything. I guess a better one would have been #blacklivesmattertoo but the boat has sailed on a slogan change.
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
No, I hear what you are saying, and I am not questioning your data. I am also an applied statistician (Six Sigma Black Belt here) I am simply saying that it is completely irrelevant to this issue, unless you show that those white people are being killed by police officers as well.

We are talking about state sanctioned murder here. We know there are criminals. There will always be criminals. The problem is that when the people who are supposed to be protecting us are the ones doing the harm.

You can analyze that data of yours every which way you want, and it still won't matter because it's not the relevant data for this conversation.
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Then you show me the data that says police race base homicides PER CAPITA accounting for conflating factors like poverty, crime commited, and education of victim. None of those are race based discriminatory factors.

Until then it's a fabricated boogie man to divert attention away from more pressing and critical issues. Its akin to saying all catholic priest are ped o's when statistically speaking your kid is a metric crap ton safer in a catholic church then outside it.
 
YeuEmMaiMai said:
poverty does not change one's character... poor scumbag only becomes rich scumbag

example you ask?

Lottery winners as a whole group
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You are right. It takes more than just money to make a person better than they are.

It takes education, it takes a good upbringing with strong parents present, ready to help with homework, enforce bedtimes, enforce doing well in school. It takes growing up in a safe, non-violent area.

When people live in poverty they can't provide their children with the above. They have to work three jobs just to make rent in a shitty violent neighborhood, so they can't be home for all the supportive functions a parent needs to perform to raise a good responsible adult.

And right there is why these things are immutably povery related.
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
There are certain things which are just unprofessional to discuss at work, including politics, religion, sex/sexuality and income. There are probably more but they are escaping me right now.
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This! If more people would follow bar rules the world would be a better place.
 
DocSavage said:
So you are proposing that there isn't more crime in poor neighborhoods?
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crime is everywhere, not just poor areas and crime tends to concentrate in areas were people are not working and have plenty of idle time.
 
Zarathustra[H] said:
You are right. It takes more than just money to make a person better than they are.

It takes education, it takes a good upbringing with strong parents present, ready to help with homework, enforce bedtimes, enforce doing well in school. It takes growing up in a safe, non-violent area.

When people live in poverty they can't provide their children with the above. They have to work three jobs just to make rent in a shitty violent neighborhood, so they can't be home for all the supportive functions a parent needs to perform to raise a good responsible adult.

And right there is why these things are immutably povery related.
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And that directly ties to single parent families which are dramatically more likely to live in poverty. The percentage of single parent black families is significantly higher than the general population. When you compare poverty rates as a whole, married black 2 parent families are about statistically the same poverty wise as non black families. (3% difference) Yet poverty shoots up to 24% of the black population as a whole because there's a direct correlation between the number of single parent black families in the general population.

BlackDemographics.com | POVERTY

Conclusion: We should treat the phrase, "My Baby's Daddy" as not a cultural norm, but a symptom of cultural break down.
 
It's statistically known that crime is much higher in poor neighborhoods. Poverty only makes racism worse however. Doesn't start it.
 
DigitalGriffin said:
Maybe you should go back and read the bit about "it's actually more likely to be killed by someone of another race if you are a white person."

RIF

An updated look at statistics on black-on-black murders

Black lives matter is in of itself a red herring because it fails to look at cultural break down. It's easier to point the finger at the boogie man when you should be looking in the mirror.

Does that make me a racist? I work with numbers. If working with empirical evidence makes me a jackass racist, then so be it. Ignoring the problem doesn't make it go away.

And yes I have a great amount of respect for some of my coworkers who are minorities (including African American/Black/Indian/Asain)
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Thank you and well put. There is an inherent cultural problem and intense "I'm a victim!" syndrome in the black community.

Nevermind that Hispanics also run into the same issues with police, and really, there have been all manner of people of all colors running afoul of a bad officer.

However, it does seem more likely among the black community, because among all the different communities, they as a whole seem to be the ones who think they should be "untouchable" because of their skin color, or that a person's innocence or guilt is more wholly dependant on their skin color, etc.

Which is what makes me, as someone who has Dr Martin Luther King as one of his personal heroes, incredibly sad, because Dr. King's own community is ignoring the whole part when he said he longed for a day when people were not judged by the color of their skin, but the content of their character. You don't see other white people saying someone is innocent because they are white (let's for a minute, pretend we aren't in the racist south, as that is its own gross animal). Nor Chinese people saying someone who is Chinese is innocent because of a common ancestry. Sometimes you see it in Latino communities, but not often.

The culture is fundamentally broken. Keep in mind that it is a culture that often promotes misogyny, violence, and celebrates brutality in its own music. And while yes, all cultures do have some of that, it is disproportionately larger in that community. Higher rate of baby mamas and absentee dads. Most of all that is not the police's fault. The Police become a scapegoat.

Until a more introspective approach it taken by and large of the culture to self-evaluate and fix itself, and rid itself of its self-imposed persecution, things will never change, because the culture will not change.
 
Monkey God said:
But the idea that all police are "out to get" black people is absurd.
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Go ask a black guy regardless of criminal history or social or economic status if he's even been pulled over for driving while black. Yeah, I've been pulled over for obvious things like speeding but I'm confident DWB has happened to me a couple of times.
 
heatlesssun said:
Go ask a black guy regardless of criminal history or social or economic status if he's even been pulled over for driving while black. Yeah, I've been pulled over for obvious things like speeding but I'm confident DWB has happened to me a couple of times.
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Just curious, how do you actually identify when this occurs? I'm "white" and I've been in cars that have been pulled over for what amounted to no legitimate reason. But if the same thing happens to an African-American, it's "DWB"?
 
NukeDukem said:
The only solution is going to be more cameras. Body cameras on police, street cameras, cameras anywhere and everywhere. The public needs to see exactly what the police are dealing with on a daily basis.

This way, the racist cops who get out of bed and decide to murder innocent, law abiding black people are held accountable.

Likewise, those who attack police officers and suffer the consequences will not become martyrs for the Black Lies Matter movement. If the Ferguson incident had been caught on camera, perhaps all of those minority owned businesses would not have been burned down at the behest of Sharpton and other professional race-baiters.
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The problem with this is even with the camera's the "black lives matter" group will still try to defend them when they resist or attack the police.

The overall problem is the lack of respect for authority figures in these communities. I was raised with the belief that when a cop pulls you over, everything from your mouth should be "Yes Sir/Maam" or "No Sir/Maam". It doesn't matter whether they were right to pull you over or not. I realize that a big part of this is historical issues, but I also don't see a way for law enforcement to ever win in the "black lives movement" without just rolling over and letting them do whatever because someone, somewhere will find a way to spin anything.

In general, I feel that many of these communities show more respect to gangs than the police force.. because they know that if they disrespect them there is an ultimate price to pay. How about telling those gang members to "F off" like you can see some of them telling police when pulled over? How about turning this around and posting every little incident involving the gangs in your community on Facebook like they do with the police?
 
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