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It hasn't been a good week for the AMD faithful. First Jim Keller leaves and now their hope/fantasy of HBM 2 exclusivity/priority has been dashed.
We keep hearing about performance metrics but what about driver quality, frequency of driver and multi gpu profile updates and overall ecosystem? Nvidia has AMD whipped in all of those and that is a large reason people avoid AMD, myself included. Also nvidia has much better developer relations and that helps a lot with games working properly on release unlike AMD. Plus AMD is a follower and releases inferior technology like freesync thinking they can fool us when in reality it's just their deluded and shrinking fan base that buries their heads in the sand and accepts the bs AMD shovels at them. Personally I think the PC gaming market will be better off once AMD finally goes out of business. Then game developers won't have to contend with AMD's second tier software and hardware and can dedicate resources optimizing for one GPU maker. Imagine if Rockstar didn't have to waste their time optimizing their code for AMD's inferior hardware and software, they could have added more features and bug fixes to the game while only concentrating on NVIDIA and GTA V would probably be a better game and have come sooner.
That's not true at all. The 300-series is very competitive with the 970 and 980. The only area where NVIDIA soundly beats AMD right now is with the 980 Ti. If AMD dropped the prices on Fury to more reasonable levels they would have a much more competitive product.There already isn't any competition.
what I find most interesting about this thread is the fact that it's not only old news, but the fact that it was broke by wccftech back on Sept 6th.
amd already came out and said they weren't going to slow down nvidia and pascal would ship with it.
all the hardcore acting like this is new news. Amd isn't nvidia and wants tech to be available.
http://wccftech.com/amd-squashes-rumors-hbm-ip-licensing-fees-memory-standard-free/
It's basically only cooler if you want the same perf as your 980. The high end cards will likely still put out just as much heat.
The biggest thing is.......WHO CARES.All the future gpus will have it we all knew that so why does it matter. We already have it on fury and we see what good that does it performance wise
the AMD fans have been pretty ridiculous, of course according to Kyle I was "trolling" and thus got banned for calling out their bullshit. lol
The biggest thing is.......WHO CARES.All the future gpus will have it we all knew that so why does it matter. We already have it on fury and we see what good that does it performance wise
Consumers (we) lose if AMD exits the discrete market for GPU's. Less competition means less innovation. Not sure why so many people are excited if not eager to dance on AMD's grave.
So AMD did have HBM first, didn't really do much with it in even being first to the market.I don't understand these deliberate troll attempt threads. I should just quit the internet.
Pascal gets HBM2 on time, great. I will probably buy one.
Then I could take the argument, well Nvidia is a day late and an exclusivity contract short. AMD was first to HBM.
OP hates AMD. We know. /thread
Maybe with pascal rumor saying 5000-6000 cuda cores maybe rops will be up in that area to of 128-150'sWell AMD put HBM on a gpu not designed from the ground up for it and got marginal benefit. I'm hoping the nextgen gpu's from both camps are designed to take full advantage of HBM and that we see something amazing as a result.
If i remember right the standard they used for HBM means they could charge a fee for it. Plus their whole stance of "free and open standards" would go out the window if they tried to.what I find most interesting about this thread is the fact that it's not only old news, but the fact that it was broke by wccftech back on Sept 6th.
amd already came out and said they weren't going to slow down nvidia and pascal would ship with it.
all the hardcore acting like this is new news. Amd isn't nvidia and wants tech to be available.
http://wccftech.com/amd-squashes-rumors-hbm-ip-licensing-fees-memory-standard-free/
Nobody doubted that HBM 2 would come to Pascal. However, WFFCTech themselves and AMD faithful mistakenly believed that AMD would get some kind of timed exclusive or priority with HBM 2 which was never true or reasonable. That is what Hexus's article addresses.To address the bolded part above, AMD isn't doing this out of the kindness of its heart, it needs NVIDIA to drive prices of HBM 2 down.
SK-Hynix i don't think would agree'ed to be exclusive with AMD, Nvidia has to much money to be locked out liked that and would went to someone else to make chips to compete.HBM was CO-DEVELOPED with AMD and SK-Hynix, a company who makes and sells memory for a living. It would make 0 sense for SK-Hynix to partner up on a long term endeavor with some stipulation that "you can't sell to company X".
Fury already had a price cut from its original price that rumor stated which usually is right. Fury was looking like it would had 850$ price tag on it but when 980ti dropped at 650$ AMD had no choice buy to match it so they already took a profit hit on that, they might be only breaking even at this point.That's not true at all. The 300-series is very competitive with the 970 and 980. The only area where NVIDIA soundly beats AMD right now is with the 980 Ti. If AMD dropped the prices on Fury to more reasonable levels they would have a much more competitive product.
If I was spending $300 right now today I would get a 390.
That's not true at all. The 300-series is very competitive with the 970 and 980. The only area where NVIDIA soundly beats AMD right now is with the 980 Ti. If AMD dropped the prices on Fury to more reasonable levels they would have a much more competitive product.
If I was spending $300 right now today I would get a 390.
AMD is only a worthwhile option if you ignore things like power efficiency, cooling, actual playability and driver stability.
I would have to disagree judging by historic background and development of computer processing technologies. Take example a pentium 4 vs core 2 duo . Pascal will be like something never seen before in the history of video card processing technology
Try again
You do know that amd is king with the 390?
cool, efficient and fast
Best card in the world next to fury
It so silent and cool for me I have tear in my eyes as I am so happy with the card
I find kids like yourself have no idea how greatness in the world works.
its called the AMD 390
the AMD fans have been pretty ridiculous, of course according to Kyle I was "trolling" and thus got banned for calling out their bullshit. lol
The card launched at $649. It was never $850. Rumors don't matter.Fury already had a price cut from its original price that rumor stated which usually is right. Fury was looking like it would had 850$ price tag on it but when 980ti dropped at 650$ AMD had no choice buy to match it so they already took a profit hit on that, they might be only breaking even at this point.
Power efficiency isn't great but the 3rd party coolers handle it just fine. I actually have AMD cards and haven't had any issues with stability or playability on them. The girlfriend's PC has an overclocked 290 and she's played through tons of games in the last year without any issues at all.AMD is only a worthwhile option if you ignore things like power efficiency, cooling, actual playability and driver stability.
The card launched at $649. It was never $850. Rumors don't matter.
Power efficiency isn't great but the 3rd party coolers handle it just fine. I actually have AMD cards and haven't had any issues with stability or playability on them. The girlfriend's PC has an overclocked 290 and she's played through tons of games in the last year without any issues at all.
All I care about: GPUs stay competitive and keep driving the industry forward.
I've had 5870 CFX, 580 SLI, 680 SLI, and 290X CF.I'll agree that I've never seen stability issues from either vendor if on a single card. I have a rigs with both cards too.
I've seen stability issues from both vendors if on multiGPU.
I can't see the logic in purchasing a 3 year old rebranded GPU that draws almost 500w at load and has next to no functionality on linux.
It has been known for a while now that high end Pascal cards would use HBM2. I don't see why this is exactly news now.
That said, I do feel for AMD fans, especially considering that I was an Athlon/Athlon XP/Athlon 64/Athlon 64 X2 user. I completely avoided Intel for almost 8 years because AMD was a viable alternative. Not so much an ATi fan, though, but I do admire their R300, R480, R520 and R580 series GPUs. Also the R100 and R200 series architectures were pretty cool for the time, even if they weren't as fast as their NV1x and NV2x counterparts.
Consumers (we) lose if AMD exits the discrete market for GPU's. Less competition means less innovation. Not sure why so many people are excited if not eager to dance on AMD's grave.
Really? I'm already signed up for a Titan D and all but I expect it to use just as much power, if not more than the Titan X. Plus the power density increases greatly so I expect these to be much harder to cool. If the memory is on die that'll be even more heat to dissipate off the chip. My 5960x pulls over 300 watts. That's the best enthusiast chip.
Will it be cooler per a transistor? Sure! But you have twice as many. Look at Intel, did we have some magical jump between node (factor in double if you want) shrinks? No.
Perhaps lay off the nVidia marketing materials for a little while...
regarding your last sentence.. I would just accept it as soon to be reality that Pascal will kick the shit out of AMD alot sooner than later if AMD does not come up with something better than a Fury.
A company and organization like Nvidia does not have to come up with lies to get customers sucked into waiting for their products.. AMD on the other hand with the Mantle Fiasco announcement now that was funny and still is today.
Pascal
SMC’s 16FF+ (FinFET Plus) technology can provide above 65 percent higher speed, around 2 times the density, or 70 percent less power than its 28HPM technology. Comparing with 20SoC technology, 16FF+ provides extra 40% higher speed and 60% power saving.
No way dude, I'll only feel better about myself when my corporation of choice utterly destroys their competition.
I never said anything about AMD so it's funny half your post is bashing AMD... History has proven AMD to be slightly behind in performance. There's no reason to think AMD isn't moving to 16FF+ or something comparable. I would expect the same situation as we have today where AMD is slightly behind.
You just quoted marketing material. Notice the word "can". Don't get me wrong a double node shrink (skipping 20nm) will do all sorts of good with double the cores, ect. It's still within the realm of physics though. A maxed out, overclocked core is going to put out serious heat and be of a higher heat density than before. Especially with the VRAM on die. It's a reality for both vendors. Also more fun for us enthusiast to try and cool.
A maxed out, overclocked core is going to put out serious heat and be of a higher heat density than before. Especially with the VRAM on die. It's a reality for both vendors. Also more fun for us enthusiast to try and cool.
I am just posting facts on the other hand you put words in peoples mouths to whatever makes you feel good. I have noticed you like to make up theoretical technical issues with Pascal like you are a theoretical physicist.
Perhaps you know this person
And History shows AMD has always had this issue
more often then intel or nvidia
I generally use real world experience... You're the one quoting theoretical marketing numbers. My point was with Intel's high end the power usage hasn't gone down with node shrinks.
Performance per a watt is a lot better and will be wish pascal. Actual power usage likely won't change much.
Can anyone tell me how AMD plans to release a video card to drive a 8k monitor within the next 6-8 months? I dont see anyone gaming on this monitor with an AMD card anytime soon
Well, considering that traditionally AMD has better performance in higher resolutions, I don't think it's too hard for them.
however in the meantime their shares are currently at a historic record low for the company
AMD is only a worthwhile option if you ignore things like power efficiency, cooling, actual playability and driver stability.
What the fuck that has to do with anything?
This has to be one of primes alt accounts.
So you are resorting to cursing ?
hmmm
you are on my ignore list because obviously you are not too educated when it comes to finance 101
Nope your wrong
and guess what your now on my ignore list.
have a nice day
What the fuck that has to do with anything?