AMD Radeon R9 Nano Video Card PAPER Launch @ [H]

Please don't take this as a troll post, I'm honestly curious...

Which small form factor cases are there on the market that will allow a six inch Nano but won't allow a 10.5" gtx 980 or 10.8" 390x... Or even a Fury X with the radiator in the fan slot?? Is this somewhat common?

That being said... How many small form factor cases are there on the market that can fit a six inch Nano but can't fit a 6.7" sff gtx 970? I understand the Nano is expected to be a decent bump above a gtx 970... But until I've seen the reviews showing the Nano performing at LEAST 30% - 40% better than a 970, I just can't see how they can justify double the price.
 
Fixall said:
Please don't take this as a troll post, I'm honestly curious...

Which small form factor cases are there on the market that will allow a six inch Nano but won't allow a 10.5" gtx 980 or 10.8" 390x... Or even a Fury X with the radiator in the fan slot?? Is this somewhat common?

That being said... How many small form factor cases are there on the market that can fit a six inch Nano but can't fit a 6.7" sff gtx 970? I understand the Nano is expected to be a decent bump above a gtx 970... But until I've seen the reviews showing the Nano performing at LEAST 30% - 40% better than a 970, I just can't see how they can justify double the price.
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There are some. A lot of the more popular ITX cases these days like the Bitfenix Prodigy or the Corsair 250D are just small M-ATX cases. It used to be the case (pun not intended) that if you wanted to go ITX your only case options were ones that needed shorter cards, a lot of cases also required half-height brackets and for the expansion card to be a single slot device. These days the gamer and enthusiast oriented ITX cases allow for full sized GPUs but HTCP and other small footprint cases can still be limited to shorter cards.

With the growing popularity of AIOs being used on CPUs the 120mm AIO on the Fury X might not be viable in all situations. If you trying to build a silent HTPC using AIOs is generally not an option either due to pump noise. If the Nano is quiet and performs well it could be an interesting option for silent builds.
 
Derangel said:
There are some. A lot of the more popular ITX cases these days like the Bitfenix Prodigy or the Corsair 250D are just small M-ATX cases. It used to be the case (pun not intended) that if you wanted to go ITX your only case options were ones that needed shorter cards, a lot of cases also required half-height brackets and for the expansion card to be a single slot device. These days the gamer and enthusiast oriented ITX cases allow for full sized GPUs but HTCP and other small footprint cases can still be limited to shorter cards.

With the growing popularity of AIOs being used on CPUs the 120mm AIO on the Fury X might not be viable in all situations. If you trying to build a silent HTPC using AIOs is generally not an option either due to pump noise. If the Nano is quiet and performs well it could be an interesting option for silent builds.
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This is what I keep seeing though... I read that there are cases on the market where the Nano makes perfect sense, but I haven't seen any actual links to any of these cases. I've looked at several of the more popular cases (albeit not nearly all of them), and I just haven't found one. I do see your point about using the single fan slot for a cpu aio... Or wanting to avoid all in ones completely.
 
Fixall said:
Please don't take this as a troll post, I'm honestly curious...

Which small form factor cases are there on the market that will allow a six inch Nano but won't allow a 10.5" gtx 980 or 10.8" 390x... Or even a Fury X with the radiator in the fan slot?? Is this somewhat common?

That being said... How many small form factor cases are there on the market that can fit a six inch Nano but can't fit a 6.7" sff gtx 970? I understand the Nano is expected to be a decent bump above a gtx 970... But until I've seen the reviews showing the Nano performing at LEAST 30% - 40% better than a 970, I just can't see how they can justify double the price.
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Dareangel did answear quite good, there are just a few cases out there that is SFF, for real silent SFF there is a lack of good cases that dosnt require you to do case modding.

What SFF need is external psus that can supply enough power 400+w, silent SFF is probally the most difficult thing to build there is, if you want it powerful.

But something has to come first, maybe AMD jumped the gun this time, becouse hmb2, 14/16nm will would out a doubt provide lots of good SFF grapic cards, wich will trigger the will to produce real SFF cases,

http://www.lian-li.com/en/dt_portfolio/pc-q21/

This is a SFF, it is SFF motherboard, SFF psu, and 17cm (6,7inch) is max lenght of grapic card, so that is an true SFF case.
 
Did someone mention that overclocking is going to be blocked on Nano most likely ?
 
Michaelius said:
Did someone mention that overclocking is going to be blocked on Nano most likely ?
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Either blocked or severely limited to keep the card around the same TDP. AIBs aren't even being allowed the ability to make custom PCBs or do anything to mess with the TDP.
 
Fixall said:
Please don't take this as a troll post, I'm honestly curious...

Which small form factor cases are there on the market that will allow a six inch Nano but won't allow a 10.5" gtx 980 or 10.8" 390x... Or even a Fury X with the radiator in the fan slot?? Is this somewhat common?
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This is really common on mATX HTPC cases. The space within the chassis is usually just enough to fit a mATX board and nothing else which means that a card that's over 9.6 will either be a really tight fit or just not work at all.

You are right that the the Fury X will fit, but the other issue sometimes becomes one of power. Especially when you start right-sizing the PSU to lower power components it's not uncommon to find it hard to find a PSU which will accommodate something like a Fury X or a 980TI. That's why it's going to be pretty interesting to see a review between a SFF 970 and the Nano since both seem to fit within the same power envelope.
 
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Did someone mention that overclocking is going to be blocked on Nano most likely ?
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175w is actually quite a lot to cool if u want it small, powerfull and silent. It will be real challange.

But hehe, i see the same thing as the years i used to love building small. silent builds, u hardly never overclock, becouse of terminal limits, its more common to underclock.

Some does just not grasp the concept :(.

I actually would be interested in a Fijii so low clocked that it can be passiv cooled and use a passiv psu cooler. But that i dont think will come before next die shrink.
 
AMD's decision to hand out limited review units to hardware sites is actually a sound one. Instead of letting every reviewer run the standard suite of game benches, they gave the nanos to ricers who can sell the concept of high density gaming rig best. After all, nano is targeting towards this niche audience. Everyone else with an ATX case would had settled for a Fury or Fury X at this price level.

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That looks like some impressive craftsmanship. Would be interesting to see nano perform in a more conventional case that does not allow this much air flow ease like the guy's work.
 
StormClaw said:
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That is absolutely gorgeous.

Thanks guys, I'm starting to understand where the Nano fits as a product. With such a small market (sff cases that can't use cards longer than six or seven inches and custom enclosures) being the main situations where the Nano would make sense... I wonder if AMD is trying to bring another niche mainstream by giving case/psu manufacturers something to work with (aoi water coolers were a niche not too long ago). Having a powerful, cable box sized PC hooked up to the living room tv built with prefabbed parts would be pretty sweet.

I guess on the other hand... it could also be a way for AMD to pull in a higher profit while showing off what HBM could allow (such as a smaller gpu footprint). For instance, let's say because of low HBM production, AMD has 100,000 (random number) Fiji XT's they can sell. They can either sell 100,000 full size pcb's with expensive water coolers for $650 each... Or they can sell 75,000 full size pcb's with expensive water coolers for $650 each and 25,000 cut down pcb's with much cheaper cooling. If I knew my product was in such limited supply it would sell out regardless of which route I went and I was looking make the biggest profit, I know which one I would choose.

Regardless of the reasoning... I have a better understanding of where the product could find some use. The price does still seem way too high to me though... If the reviews show the Nano performing 30% - 40% better than a mildly overclocked mini 970 IN A SMALL FORM CASE, I guess the price would be understandable as a sff halo product... If a sizable market existed.

Sorry for the rambling... I just picked up some Ghost Train Haze and it turns me into a talker.
 
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crusty_juggler said:
Reality has an anti-AMD bias.
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Naturally there will be an inevitable bias against underperforming and too expensive devices that are touted to be something much better by blatant BS posted and stated verbally for public consumption.
Such is life :p
 
Nenu said:
Naturally there will be an inevitable bias against underperforming and too expensive devices that are touted to be something much better by blatant BS posted and stated verbally for public consumption.
Such is life :p
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Hehe, well the Nano is not for the avarage pc builder , that take the easy way to performance for sure, they stick with big and ugly :)

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Love lots of what that guy did with that case, he sure know what he was doing.
 
Snus said:
Hehe, well the Nano is not for the avarage pc builder , that take the easy way to performance for sure, they stick with big and ugly :)
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Hey now, who are you calling ugly? :p

Larger cases can look pretty sharp, besides, I save real space, because my full tower sits on the floor, it doesn't take up desk space :p





I bought a SFF case (Shuttle SX58H7) in 2009. Was the biggest mistake I've ever made in component selection. I was chafing under the form factor limitations within a month of getting it. By 2011 I had a proper mid tower again, and now I have a full tower.

I went SFF, and learned from my mistake :p
 
Fixall said:
If the reviews show the Nano performing 30% - 40% better than a mildly overclocked mini 970 IN A SMALL FORM CASE, I guess the price would be understandable as a sff halo product...
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Not a chance in hell.
 
Michaelius said:
Did someone mention that overclocking is going to be blocked on Nano most likely ?
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When every Fiji based card is already maxed out from the factory just to be able to keep up, there's nothing much left to block.
 
Zarathustra[H];1041841517 said:
Hey now, who are you calling ugly? :p

Larger cases can look pretty sharp, besides, I save real space, because my full tower sits on the floor, it doesn't take up desk space :p





I bought a SFF case (Shuttle SX58H7) in 2009. Was the biggest mistake I've ever made in component selection. I was chafing under the form factor limitations within a month of getting it. By 2011 I had a proper mid tower again, and now I have a full tower.

I went SFF, and learned from my mistake :p
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Sorry, didnt meen to offend ur pride (this post actually made me laugh, couse it was funny written)...

hehe (sorry still laufing).......eh nice big and fat, some does like that to, well here on [H] 99% prefer the big fat mama :)
 
Zarathustra[H]

Yo PC case is so big, it hitch-hikes on dump trucks
Yo PC case is so big, when its beeper goes off, people thought it was backing up.
Yo PC case is so big, people jog around it for exercise.
Yo PC case is so big, when it bungee jumps it goes straight to hell!
Yo PC case is so big, when its in the classroom, it sits beside everybody.
Yo PC case is so big, you have to roll over twice to get off it...

and you find lot more of your big fat mama pc case here .... http://www.ihimlen.dk/index.php?i=Sjov-Lister&u=YoMammaIsSoFat
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Yo PC case so heavy, it fell over on an iPhone and turned it into a iPad ...
 
StormClaw said:
AMD's decision to hand out limited review units to hardware sites is actually a sound one. Instead of letting every reviewer run the standard suite of game benches, they gave the nanos to ricers who can sell the concept of high density gaming rig best. After all, nano is targeting towards this niche audience. Everyone else with an ATX case would had settled for a Fury or Fury X at this price level.
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Why would AMD release a card for such a small market how many units are the expecting to sell?

I guess provided this thing craps all over the 970 its not a terrible buy if your that limited by space, but there are very few cases that couldn't accommodate the Fury X.
 
When is the Nano officially being released? Sometime this week, right?
 
ManofGod said:
When is the Nano officially being released? Sometime this week, right?
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Thursday - Sept 10th.
I'd probably check midnight on Wednesday tbh.

Note - it's a short week with Labor day - so there is some time pressure on reviewers to get this done.
 
thedocta45 said:
Why would AMD release a card for such a small market how many units are the expecting to sell?

I guess provided this thing craps all over the 970 its not a terrible buy if your that limited by space, but there are very few cases that couldn't accommodate the Fury X.
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And I wonder how many people would still be better off just buying a new case along with a different video card - it would probably come out cheaper with equal performance in many cases. Depending on the performance of the Nano it could end up being that the only people who NEED to buy it are people with some really odd space restriction (the hole in the wall where I shove my computer can't accommodate a case even .5" bigger, etc.). The people that WANT to buy it will be a larger number (play with new tech, etc.), but again still not particularly sizable.

To me this does in some sense make me understand their thinking of not providing samples to certain sites. I'd love to see [H] review the Nano, but if AMD is assuming that the 5 people on the forums here who will actually buy a Nano will get their info on it from somewhere else anyway I can see why they might not want to risk a "bad" review here. That said, probably a bad idea and it seems like they most likely didn't anticipate the kind of backlash they are getting in public opinion.
 
I agree.
There are so many games now that I dont get chance to replay, some I dont even finish.
So I want to play todays games in the best possible quality without breaking the bank.
SFF wont let me do that on both counts, not by a country mile.
Right now its definitely niche.
 
Everyone acts as if Kyle and the rest of this site has always had some kind of crazy nvidia bias. That's why they worked with AMD on the whole AMD HardOCP FX GamExperience, right? Because they're nvidia shills?

Kyle and the rest of the staff have always been fair to AMD, and have been gracious enough to do a fair bit of work with them in the past. This isn't a case of HardOCP being Nvidia-biased, it's a case of AMD knowing that HardOCP will always give an honest review and opinion, and that scares them.
 
TheOneKnownAsMe said:
Everyone acts as if Kyle and the rest of this site has always had some kind of crazy nvidia bias. That's why they worked with AMD on the whole AMD HardOCP FX GamExperience, right? Because they're nvidia shills?

Kyle and the rest of the staff have always been fair to AMD, and have been gracious enough to do a fair bit of work with them in the past. This isn't a case of HardOCP being Nvidia-biased, it's a case of AMD knowing that HardOCP will always give an honest review and opinion, and that scares them.
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Depending on who you ask Kyle is either an AMD/ATI shill or an nVidia shill. The dude can't win.
 
GilmourD said:
Depending on who you ask Kyle is either an AMD/ATI shill or an nVidia shill. The dude can't win.
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Yeah, it's sad, and it's a reflection of how polarized things have become. Rather than a common interest in moving computing forward, it's a "my team vs your team" shit show.
 
TheOneKnownAsMe said:
This isn't a case of HardOCP being Nvidia-biased, it's a case of AMD knowing that HardOCP will always give an honest review and opinion, and that scares them.
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When you have a lame duck product it's certainly easier to take the copy you might have given to a tech site like [H] and instead give it to some LetsPlay dork on YouTube or some kid on Twitch and watch him be all giddy about how "totally cool and really rad" the product is because he's getting free shit. You're skipping all the foreplay and charade of buying ads on a regular review site just to soften up the verdict and win some favor. Just give it to some teenager and let him jerk off with it on cam.

Alas, I fear the day is fast approaching where Kyle and Brent have to go in for the windswept boy band hairdo's , wear ironic t-shirts and get on a Twitch channel just to keep up with the new suck. Lets get stupid.
 
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DPI said:
Alas, I fear the day is fast approaching where Kyle and Brent have to go in for the windswept boy band hairdo's , wear ironic t-shirts and get on a Twitch channel just to keep up with the new suck. Lets get stupid.
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I'm sure there are some chops of Kyle we can dig up of that, if we wanted to. :p

I've always been a fan of AMD (and ATI before them), they have historically offered a product that was extremely competitive on the price/performance front. My last few cards were a 6950, 5850, and 4870. However, given their recent pricing debacle, the lackluster performance, and now these kind of PR stunts, I'm starting to turn.

It's all a mess right now.
 
Given that we still are on 28nm, the fastest card AMD seem to be abel to build is the Fury X, and the fastest Nvida can build is Titan.


And arnt both AMD and Nvida giving its best when it comes to thoose big cards.

I see that even Brent does not understand the concept of SFF powerbuilds, sure you can fit thoose 300w gpu cards + those 95w cpus with giant coolers in some of the hybrid SFF cases. and yes some even take full size PSU.

I sure can understand that most does not like real SFF, things havnt changed from the years back when i used to build SFF powerbuilds.

For most of you, it seems like AMD has commited a crime for creating a powerful small card that is 175w. and for fucks sake, 175w is a LOT to cool, argh i get kinda upset of the ignorance of a site that supposedly should be for entusiasts.

What if any is Hard abaut building powerful and big ??????

Is the fastest low tdp cpus from Intel cheaper and faster than thoose that are higher tdp?.

Is SFF psu cheaper than ATX psu ?
 
You are very resistant to following the basic premise of running a business successfully.
AMD are going to go bankrupt if they keep doing things like this.
This is why we dont like it.

The card appeals to a very small group of enthusiasts because it isnt fast enough and is way too expensive.
Sod the SFF claims, it needs to appeal to a wider audience after Fury X failed to.
But it has even less appeal.
Its too expensive for nearly all SFF builders as well so its a dead card unless it gets a serious price drop.
This is why we dont like it.

You constantly harp on about how it is good for SFF and then berate people for not understanding or wanting to care about your concept of SFF.
Seriously, take your argument somewhere that cares about your niche.
 
Snus said:
Given that we still are on 28nm, the fastest card AMD seem to be abel to build is the Fury X, and the fastest Nvida can build is Titan.


And arnt both AMD and Nvida giving its best when it comes to thoose big cards.

I see that even Brent does not understand the concept of SFF powerbuilds, sure you can fit thoose 300w gpu cards + those 95w cpus with giant coolers in some of the hybrid SFF cases. and yes some even take full size PSU.

I sure can understand that most does not like real SFF, things havnt changed from the years back when i used to build SFF powerbuilds.

For most of you, it seems like AMD has commited a crime for creating a powerful small card that is 175w. and for fucks sake, 175w is a LOT to cool, argh i get kinda upset of the ignorance of a site that supposedly should be for entusiasts.

What if any is Hard abaut building powerful and big ??????

Is the fastest low tdp cpus from Intel cheaper and faster than thoose that are higher tdp?.

Is SFF psu cheaper than ATX psu ?
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I said it before and I will say it again, the R9 Fury Nano has only one problem: PRICE! Sorry but, they are not worth $650 regardless of what others may try to reason out. Also, I am an AMD fan but know that the card is not worth $650.
 
Nenu said:
You are very resistant to following the basic premise of running a business successfully.
AMD are going to go bankrupt if they keep doing things like this.
This is why we dont like it.

The card appeals to a very small group of enthusiasts because it isnt fast enough and is way too expensive.
Sod the SFF claims, it needs to appeal to a wider audience after Fury X failed to.
But it has even less appeal.
Its too expensive for nearly all SFF builders as well so its a dead card unless it gets a serious price drop.
This is why we dont like it.

You constantly harp on about how it is good for SFF and then berate people for not understanding or wanting to care about your concept of SFF.
Seriously, take your argument somewhere that cares about your niche.
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It will probably be plenty fast enough but we do not know that yet. Only price is holding it back.
 
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