http://i.imgur.com/YEdQr9F.png <-- NCASE look is quite impressive
my Mockup
This would be possible if the height of the case would be slightly increased, but the vertical stand wouldn't be possible
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http://i.imgur.com/YEdQr9F.png <-- NCASE look is quite impressive
<-- NCASE look is quite impressive
Not to ruin ur joy. But lian-li already made almost same looking case, just bigger:
http://www.lian-li.com/en/dt_portfolio/pc-q19/
It has very different dimensions (and it is larger) and only accepts shorter GPUs (8.6inch)
Full desktop power packed into a sub 10L platform. Perfect for those who don't care for water cooling.
It's more than twice the volume and it's almost 50cm / 20inches high.Not to ruin ur joy. But lian-li already made almost same looking case, just bigger:
http://www.lian-li.com/en/dt_portfolio/pc-q19/
It's more than twice the volume and it's almost 50cm / 20inches high.
A random desktop-style or HTPC case is *not* a Steambox case.
No joy is ruined.
Adding a fan below a fan is not a good idea most of the time. Fans need to be designed for this to work properly, otherwise you are just creating more noise and strain the bearings. If the fans don't even rotate the right way, or close to eachother's air displacement volume, you are going to be losing more than you'd hope to gain.
In less than 12 hours, people have asked for:
- replace the vertical vents with other patterns
- rotate the USB ports 90°
- move front I/O to the other side
- beveled front panel edges
- black USB ports
- more 2.5" bays
- move Ncase logo to stand
- power button should be able to be rotated
- move the GPU up
Come on people, not this again. Hundreds of pages of people questioning every design choice Necere made in the M1 topic and in the end I'm happy he did what he thought best or we'd have had a 20L Ncase M1 mATX case. Just let him work this out and if you really think something won't work, then mention it. Necere will be asking opinions when he is stuck on something but stop wasting time with trivial stuff like a logo being moved or a button not being oriented correctly in one position. This case isn't for tomorrow, next week or next month. It will most likely be next year. Necere has already proven he knows what he was doing with the M1 and the ridiculously small revisions he has done to perfect the M1 v2.
Necere will be asking opinions when he is stuck on something but stop wasting time with trivial stuff like a logo being moved or a button not being oriented correctly in one position.
Personally, I really do like it, but it doesn't really have a unique design like the M1 that made me truly love it. Other than the stand, it just looks like an incredibly elegant HTPC case imo. If that's what they're shooting for aesthetically, then that's cool too I suppose
I'm going to be honest, it's just another steam box, i.e. slim ITX case. The market is flooded with enough of these right now, so introducing another one is a bit of a long shot. Don't get me wrong, it looks good and I'm certain you would have the exact same quality standards as you did with the M1, but it brings absolutely nothing new to the table.
very nice. Very minimalist, but that definitely works for this application. As "obvious" as this layout is, especially after Valve's steambox prototypes, there really does seem to be a lack of well executed cases like this on the market.
Yeah, the impetus for this design is partly that no company is actually doing it this way. They're making Steam Machines that are bigger and fit more stuff, or smaller with proprietary parts, but none that are actually very close to Valve's reference design. A lot of them also suffer from "gamer"-styled design. I wanted to do a clean+small+simple design. No one's really done that yet.Very interesting!
But i am missing the "WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW" feature. There have been a lot of steam-machines around in this forum. So where is the unique feature?
This is a bit melodramatic, and by "we" it was mostly me. And tbh, I did give up. Several times. There were many times I got frustrated and had to throw out the design and couldn't progress, and I wouldn't touch it again for weeks/months. That happens. It may happen again. It's a slow process.We didn't post earlier because the design was far from "manufacturing ready". The internals are very complicated, particularly arranging the internal brackets to allow for a clean outer design. Many times we just wanted to give up, because it was overwhelming.
It went away when I gave up trying to make the stand out of one piece of 2mm sheet aluminum. Which you know, because I've shown you the current thicker stand several times now.Necere, what happened to the angled "stand"?
It's a bunch of things. I actually prefer the look of the unibody in those previous renders (as does w360), but it made GPU removal next to impossible with the side panel fastening hardware and without increasing the size. GPU access is actually one of the most difficult parts of the design, and one that's been the root of a lot of frustration. In the current design, not only are the side panels (toollessly) removable, but the (top) short side can be unscrewed as well, to allow unimpeded GPU installation.@Necere
When looking at the pictures W360 posted it's obvious you've been through a few diferent solusions as to which panels wrap where on the edges.
This, I think, is an intresting topic. can you say something about why the render in the first post have the large (lets's call them top/bottom) panels wrap over the sides, while on this (probably older) one the front wraps to the sides? Structural?/Manufacturing process?/Aesthetics?
Two reasons against that: 1.) internally that's where the angled PSU cable is, so the USB/power connector/cables could cause conflict/crowding; 2.) it's probably less convenient when standing vertically.Could you put the USB/Power at the bottom/RHS of the case?
Not sure - it's something to ask the supplier about.could you use black USB 3.0 ports instead of those blue ports ?
Bear in mind that it's still just a concept right now, with no timeline or even certainty of production. I wouldn't really expect it anytime soon.Dangit guys! My M1 just arrived, and now you dangle the New Hotness in front of us!
Well, there's a couple reasons for that. One is if you do that you need to duct in the air from the side, which is what the Steam Machine does, but its duct is specifically designed for the intake on Titan cooler cards. We need to support a wide array of cards, including open cooler and longer/shorter cards, and there's no way to design a universal duct that's going to work well.I'm curious why you didn't placed the video card towards the top of the case, just like SteamBox has done. This could allow the card to draw air from the lateral side vents, removing the need for large feet and large vent panel, like in SteamBox's case. Though i would place the 2.5" drive(s) just below the video card or/and side mounted on the back of the front bezel, not next to the CPU (the only thing i hate about SteamBox's design).
Also, while it's hard to say without seeing the internal layout, you could possibly have one angled edge on the upper-front to keep the iconic styling of the M1, if that was desired. Looks great as it is though.
Front panel angles don't work well with the design mechanically, nor aesthetically with the current power and USB location. USB ports on the side become ports on the top when vertical, which isn't really ideal. also makes them more difficult to access if it's in a cabinet or something.Also, about the design, would it be hard to make the sides of the front bezel (left and right in horizontal position) angled, in the style of the M1 case? Or maybe the long top side of the front bezel (in horizontal position) curved or angled, in order to make it look a bit slimmer (if you decide to keep the 80mm height)?
Thanks!
ps: i think the usb ports would look nicer on the side of the case, like in the picture from post #22.
Nope. If you've seen the Steam Machine prototype, once everything is in there's very little room left for anything.I know it kind of goes against what you are trying to accomplish with this case but it would be amazing to figure out a way to fit a 120mm or 140mm AIO system in there with minimal dimension changes
1. Right now the logo forms a line with the power/USB, which it wouldn't if it were centered on the stand.My Suggestions:
1. The Ncase Logo should go on the stand so it isn't rotated when placed in the vertical position. Although this leaves no logo when not using the stand.
2. The power button should be able to be rotated so when it is in the vertical stand the power symbol is in the correct orientation.
3. Steamboxes are meant to be used in entertainment units. This means in addition to gaming people will be using them in a home theater type setup. You may want to leave a small glass window for IR if space even allows.
4.To make this extremely desirable a custom cable set from silver stone would be great. example: 6 inch GPU cable/ATX Cable/SATA Cable and a 10 inch 8 Pin mobo cable.
2.5" drives are behind the GPU. The available space at the front of the case is occupied by the power/USB, so no room for an ODD.Where are the 2,5" drives located? Couldnt 1 be turend into a slim odd slot?
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I do think the horizontal feet highten the case too much? How would it look with more narrow feet?
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Also I assume a riser card will be included? Will the pcb be black?
I plan on having full filters on the side intakes, much like what the PC-Q19 uses. Demciflex filters should also be an option for those vents.Not sure about that big mesh. Dem dust doe.
Besides what Phuncz said, I've designed it so the GPU is isolated from the rest of the case and manages its own airflow. There's no sense doubling up on fans if the GPU can get it done on its own. Also, the space behind the GPU is walled off and is reserved for the 2.5" drives/cables.Id REALLY like it if you put the power plug somewhere below the graphics card instead of above it to allow more room to put a standard 120mm fan below the graphics card.
I really disagree here
guys, it is 3" think and 13" tall. Basically the size of your forearm, where else can i get this formfactor while sticking in a i5 & r9 290/780?
Two reasons against that: 1.) internally that's where the angled PSU cable is, so the USB/power connector/cables could cause conflict/crowding; 2.) it's probably less convenient when standing vertically.
Adding a fan below a fan is not a good idea most of the time. Fans need to be designed for this to work properly, otherwise you are just creating more noise and strain the bearings. If the fans don't even rotate the right way, or close to eachother's air displacement volume, you are going to be losing more than you'd hope to gain.
In less than 12 hours, people have asked for:
- replace the vertical vents with other patterns
- rotate the USB ports 90°
- move front I/O to the other side
- beveled front panel edges
- black USB ports
- more 2.5" bays
- move Ncase logo to stand
- power button should be able to be rotated
- move the GPU up
Come on people, not this again. Hundreds of pages of people questioning every design choice Necere made in the M1 topic and in the end I'm happy he did what he thought best or we'd have had a 20L Ncase M1 mATX case. Just let him work this out and if you really think something won't work, then mention it. Necere will be asking opinions when he is stuck on something but stop wasting time with trivial stuff like a logo being moved or a button not being oriented correctly in one position. This case isn't for tomorrow, next week or next month. It will most likely be next year. Necere has already proven he knows what he was doing with the M1 and the ridiculously small revisions he has done to perfect the M1 v2.
Besides what Phuncz said, I've designed it so the GPU is isolated from the rest of the case and manages its own airflow. There's no sense doubling up on fans if the GPU can get it done on its own. Also, the space behind the GPU is walled off and is reserved for the 2.5" drives/cables.
3. Well, I've purposely chosen to refer to it as an LRPC rather than HTPC because it's not primarily designed to be an HTPC, and consequently it doesn't support HTPC features (like an ODD or IR). Are people still using IR much, anyway? I would've thought wifi or bluetooth or something would've replaced it for the most part.
Yes I totally agree with you. BTW I only reply to you but it is in response to people replying to my post. My issue is with some people already saying "change this" or "move that". We have yet to see the internal design and people are already wasting time now moving a logo or a button when the case will probably be for next year.Don't see anything wrong with us providing suggestions. If he didn't want anyone's feedback, then he should have waited til they were almost ready to start taking orders to show us the finished design.
I was thinking the same thing, someone wanted a flexible riser for the M1 and it wasn't as "flexible" as desired, another wanted a "working" riser and in the end, he needed the expensive shielded one from 3M (that is certainly not as flexible). In the end, a sturdy riser seems to be a much better choice in my opinion.Aren't flexible risers a nightmare issue?
Perhaps I worry about nothing?
The M1 appealed to me at the start, but then it just got too big, and killed the appeal.
Not sure if this has been suggested, but can the USB ports be located towards the bottom, under the psu?
Or will the psu power cable interfere?
Still kind of hoping for An odd slot, perhaps optional instead of front USB ports.
Fully understand your reasoning not to allow that though.
Yes I totally agree with you. BTW I only reply to you but it is in response to people replying to my post. My issue is with some people already saying "change this" or "move that". We have yet to see the internal design and people are already wasting time now moving a logo or a button when the case will probably be for next year.
I don't mind feedback and suggestions (in general), I mind filling this topic with requests for trivial stuff now, when it will be forgotten in 6 months. You don't start designing a case with the logo and buttons, you start with the concept and sculpt it. In the end, the details like logo and buttons will be finalised but not now, when some crucial stuff needs to be worked out first.