GTX 880 and 800 Series to be More Powerful But Cheaper than the 700 Series

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SinOfLiberty said:
Not many people will buy 880. Huge and expensive.
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Where are you getting these big card rumors from? Maybe misdirection?

I'm hoping for smaller, more power efficient cards.. at least in the 860/870.



The big reveal at Gamescom.. a $50 GT 720 and $4k Titan-II. Everybody wanting a normal card in-between should go fuck themselves and buy a gaming tablet instead :D
 
AFD said:
Where are you getting these big card rumors from? Maybe misdirection?

I'm hoping for smaller, more power efficient cards.. at least in the 860/870.



The big reveal at Gamescom.. a $50 GT 720 and $4k Titan-II. Everybody wanting a normal card in-between should go fuck themselves and buy a gaming tablet instead :D
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I don't think the 800 Series is going to have some 300mm+ cards at baseline, but they could be getting close. I don't see anyway they're going to be able to shrink the die size on the 28nm node with Maxwell. It literally doesn't compute based on the 750/750 Ti which has less shaders and more L2 cache.

I'm hoping we continue the trend of pushing the sound, heat, and size length down. They got out of hand really fast in the past 8 years. Ironically the industry has moved to bigger cases and PSU's, both modular to now accommodate GPU's specifically and now they want to reverse the trend.

*sigh* you can never win
 
AFD said:
Where are you getting these big card rumors from? Maybe misdirection?

Everybody wanting a normal card in-between should go fuck themselves and buy a gaming tablet instead :D
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more and more i kinda believe this is the message yes
 
Isn't shield pointless tablet releasing on 14.08 in Europe ? That's probably big stuff for nvidia gamescom sadly ...
 
AFD said:
Where are you getting these big card rumors from? Maybe misdirection?

I'm hoping for smaller, more power efficient cards.. at least in the 860/870.



The big reveal at Gamescom.. a $50 GT 720 and $4k Titan-II. Everybody wanting a normal card in-between should go fuck themselves and buy a gaming tablet instead :D
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If you want small cards, then there is Mobile.

But, anything coming from Nvidia in the high end wont be smaller than the current 780Ti.

Depends what do you refer to as "bigger'? I am talking about the size, not the die.
 
SinOfLiberty said:
If you want small cards, then there is Mobile.

But, anything coming from Nvidia in the high end wont be smaller than the current 780Ti.

Depends what do you refer to as "bigger'? I am talking about the size, not the die.
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Yes, I was referring to the card size, not the die.. and mobile?

Think I mentioned it somewhere else before, and in my sig for months.. I'm personally hoping for a small 800-series card the size of the ASUS 670/760 Mini (or MSI 760 ITX), but something a little closer to the performance of a mid-range 680/770.

I'm sure the 880 will likely be full-size. So I'm looking for a short 860 or 870, if such a thing is possible. I really have no interest in 750/740 cards, or $700 foot-long cards.. just an improvement on the 760 mini.
 
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So it's a joke right, or are we supposed to believe one GTX 880 is twice as fast as anything else on the market today.
 
Seems legit.

Score screams fake, but I wouldn't mind being proven wrong ;).
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
So it's a joke right, or are we supposed to believe one GTX 880 is twice as fast as anything else on the market today.
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Photoshop. Shits easy. I remember the old days of MS Painting bitmaps square by square son. This shit is weak and easy to do and yeah I don't believe it one bit.
 
3d mark does not have 880 in the database yet.

Not sure why people post benchmarks of this card...
 
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Maxwell is turning into the Half-Life 3 of video cards.

It's going to be impossible to meet expectations.
 
SinOfLiberty said:
3d mark does not have 880 in the database yet.

Not sure why people post benchmarks of this card...
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Haha, yeah I don't think people saw the image file name you posted:

Code: 
http://cdn.overclock.net/1/11/11e7f325_atleastdoitright.PNG

"atleastdoitright.png" :p
 
jwcalla said:
Maxwell is turning into the Half-Life 3 of video cards.

It's going to be impossible to meet expectations.
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It already wont, but that's no small part thanks to TSMC and the 20nm phantom node. Completely changed Nvidia's roadmap by a full year at least, no doubt the same for AMD although they do have GloFo to fall back on in the future.

Just look at the quick changeroo they did at GTC. Volta is now Pascal literally, a codename changeroo for no reason since it's only claim to fame was 3D Stacked memory which could have just been given to Pascal. Instead Pascal steals all of Volta's features and Maxwells features turning Volta into a hollow codename and Maxwell into a hollow "Major" product that 4+ years ago was supposed to revolutionize Nvidia's direction.

What we're left with is essentially hot smoke and disappointments already. The only redeeming factor at this point is people who care about marginal improvements year over year (at this point nearly 18 months). I think we all want to see it released to see it utterly become the long winded disappointment, or hope it'll surprise us somehow more than we know it can't. Its become Nvidia's Fusion if you ask me.
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
http://wccftech.com/nvidias-28nm-ma...ber-geforce-gtx-860-hits-market-late-october/

Not sure if there's anything new here.
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The GeForce GTX 880 and GeForce GTX 870 will launch close to each other in early October as was the case with GeForce GTX 780 and GeForce GTX 770 which were introduced in a week’s difference of each other. The prices expected for these cards would be $499 for GeForce GTX 880 and $399 for GeForce GTX 870.

Read more: http://wccftech.com/nvidias-28nm-ma...x-860-hits-market-late-october/#ixzz38cIuifqS
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Haha, so rumor prices now.

So GTX 880 = GTX 780 Ti + 20-30% performance, 28nm, HUGE chip thanks to L2 cache increases and more cores, yet will sell for $499 vs the existing $650 for the 780 Ti? :D

I would love to see that just so I could hear Nvidia's explanation of how the first generation 28nm part had to cost so much more than the second generation 28nm part. I think it would be riveting.
 
Heh, if it is $499 for the GTX880 they already have at least one buyer ready to get one so long as it has 4GB RAM minimum :)
 
i hope they officially announce the pricing soon so i can sell my 770 before its value plummets.
 
What hurts the most is that I'll be waiting for this to release to build my first pc, and the 20nm (or less) Nvidia cards are speculated to come first half 2015. Should be a massive performance gain, yet to soon to upgrade. Not like I'll need to, but the itch...
 
I guess I'll wait for Volta.

When even the "rumors" leading up to a product launch are pathetic, you know it's not going to be anything spectacular.

This reminds me of the Galaxy S5 announcement.
 
jwcalla said:
I guess I'll wait for Volta.

When even the "rumors" leading up to a product launch are pathetic, you know it's not going to be anything spectacular.

This reminds me of the Galaxy S5 announcement.
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Which rumors would those be?
The ones saying the 880 is 35% faster than the 780 Ti, or that it's $499?

Because both of those combined would be earth-shattering.
 
I highly doubt this will be any better than a 780 ti by more than 5-10%. More about power efficiency and temperatures blah blah.
 
Damn it.

Looks as though OCT is going to be a bad month to build my new rig. I mean shit, if the 20nm parts are not too far behind the release of the 880/870 28nm parts, then I might as well be patient and limp along on the IGP until they become available. I'd hate the shit out of myself if I didn't wait and then 2 or 3 months later the 20nm parts come out and they are off the chain.

Fuck.

:(
 
STrooperTK421 said:
Damn it.

Looks as though OCT is going to be a bad month to build my new rig. I mean shit, if the 20nm parts are not too far behind the release of the 880/870 28nm parts, then I might as well be patient and limp along on the IGP until they become available. I'd hate the shit out of myself if I didn't wait and then 2 or 3 months later the 20nm parts come out and they are off the chain.

Fuck.

:(
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2-3 months? You must mean AMD because Nvidia wouldn't release an entire series of 28nm cards if they had 20nm available a few months later.
The recent rumors say Nvidia won't be releasing any 20nm parts at all.

You can wait for Pirate Islands if you want but it'll most likely be AMD playing catch-up like always. Their brand new 20nm architecture competing with Nvidia's 28nm.
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
2-3 months? You must mean AMD because Nvidia wouldn't release an entire series of 28nm cards if they had 20nm available a few months later.
The recent rumors say Nvidia won't be releasing any 20nm parts at all.

You can wait for Pirate Islands if you want but it'll most likely be AMD playing catch-up like always. Their brand new 20nm architecture competing with Nvidia's 28nm.
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Now if that ends up being the case, then I'll snag 3 of the 880's and be a happy camper. Wonder what the price difference between the 8Gig and 4Gig models is going to be? I think I would be ok with the 4Gig versions as I do not have multiple high-res monitors, in fact, most people would call me stupid for wanting to get 3 (even 2) because I only have a monitor that is capable of 1920 x 1200 - but, this is the one and only time I'm going to be able to build a high end PC for the next 2-3 years, and I want to be DAMN sure I can play even the newest titles during that time period buttery smooth with all the shit turned up to max.

I've waited a LONG time for this (been almost 10 years since my last build) and I'm getting all the horsepower I can squeeze out of my $3,250 budget. I'm sick of playing FO:NV at 640x480 with everything turned down to minimum and only getting 25-35FPS (not to mention all the titles that I can't play at all...).
 
@STrooperTK421: Yes, I want 3 also. In my case, I'd like to use Nvidia Surround with the new ASUS G-Sync monitor, and that requires 3 cards. Also, I don't build computers very often, so I want something that will last a while.
 
cybereality said:
@STrooperTK421: Yes, I want 3 also. In my case, I'd like to use Nvidia Surround with the new ASUS G-Sync monitor, and that requires 3 cards. Also, I don't build computers very often, so I want something that will last a while.
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See, I might get lucky and be able to get ONE new monitor (1440p) next year, but I won't be able to get 3, and 4k gaming just isn't really a true reality yet. So...I'm going to go for maximum stupid overkill. I know that 3 SLI 4gig 880's will mercilessly stomp the piss out of absolutely ANYTHING I will be able to throw at them during the next 2-3 years. Then...when times are better, and me and my wife "move up" in the world, it won't matter, as I will be able to affrod to build a multi-monitor quad card badassfuckerupper PC.
 
STrooperTK421 said:
if the 20nm parts are not too far behind the release of the 880/870 28nm parts, then I might as well be patient and limp along on the IGP until they become available.
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The only reliable information we have right now is that there is no TSMC 20nm process for anything but mobile SoCs. All the other talk is in the same league as the talk that said Maxwell cards were going to be released in 2013... and we see how that turned out.

STrooperTK421 said:
I've waited a LONG time for this (been almost 10 years since my last build) and I'm getting all the horsepower I can squeeze out of my $3,250 budget.
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One idea is to spend $1600 now and then $1600 three years from now.
 
TaintedSquirrel said:
Which rumors would those be?
The ones saying the 880 is 35% faster than the 780 Ti, or that it's $499?

Because both of those combined would be earth-shattering.
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I don't know about "earth shattering". I mean when did we start accepting $650+ single GPU cards for the regular line cards? Perhaps if the GTX 780 started out at $499 the Ti model would be acceptable, but it really isn't and $499 for a next generation product isn't really that impressive. We're used to refreshes pushing down products (i.e. 680 > 770) so this would be 780 Ti to 880 and 780 > 770 just on a new architecture. I bet the performance is going to be damn close.

People must've forgot the GTX 780/780 Ti/Titan weren't the only models priced ridiculously. The 660 Ti, 670 and the 3 versions of the 650 made things messier first especially with the price-performance ratio not matching up one bit and only becoming wider in the 700 Series. I think we just want Maxwell to be yesterdays news. The dream has been killed.
 
35% faster for $499 would be their best launch since maybe the 8800 GTX.
GTX 280 and Fermi would be close to that. Check % gain per MSRP dollar and see where you end up. Keep in mind those cards were way north of $500.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_480_Fermi/
480 was about 40% faster than the 285 for $499.

Unheard of for the last five-ish years, certainly. It's so ludicrous I doubt you'll find anyone who would say it's plausible. If that happens, I'm throwing out every video card in my house and buying four GTX 880's.
And there's certainly no way AMD sees that coming, so if it does happen, they're definitely screwed.
 
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TaintedSquirrel said:
35% faster for $499 would be their best launch since maybe the 8800 GTX.
GTX 280 and Fermi would be close to that. Check % gain per MSRP dollar and see where you end up. Keep in mind those cards were way north of $500.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_480_Fermi/
480 was about 40% faster than the 285 for $499.

Unheard of for the last five-ish years, certainly. It's so ludicrous I doubt you'll find anyone who would say it's plausible. If that happens, I'm throwing out every video card in my house and buying four GTX 880's.
And there's certainly no way AMD sees that coming, so if it does happen, they're definitely screwed.
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Um the 680 was $499 and 35% faster than the 580.

35% faster for $499 seems like no big deal for the gtx880 as Maxwell is quite a bit faster clock for clock so a lower cost mid range chip could easily beat the 780ti by that much.
 
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