Xbox One: If you are banned you lose ALL your games

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https://twitter.com/XboxSupport1/status/345338828606812160

Xbox support answering someone's question on twitter, the thread severely deteriorates as you scroll down.
Q: If my XBOX LIVE account was banned, would I continue to have access to my XBOX ONE games?
A: If your account is banned, you also forfeit the licenses to any games that have licenses tied to it as listed in the ToU.
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What could possibly go wrong?

EDIT: Was just thinking, if you must install your games, and those games are gone, that means all games are lost, regardless if they were bought digitally or disc format. Oh yeah, this is a GREAT idea......
 
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Make people think twice about using an exploit when MS can destroy you entire game collection. Don't let anyone else play your games.
 
That policy sounds consistent with their philosophy. Unlike the other fiascos, I don't blame them for perma bricking any Xbox and nuking the associated account if they have solid forensics showing piracy. The used games and other issues are more problematic. Sony will probably have a very secure system. I don't think PS3 was ever fully hacked to play unsigned software was it ?


And it seems like MS will have major supply shortages at launch due to esram yields.. The fun has just begun. Can't wait for the 3rd party game comparisons this fall. Sony said 3rd party developers told them the games already show the extra potential of the hw.
 
If you read down the guy (girl?) claims it was a mistake and they meant 360. Even though the question clearly said Xbox One. Hmm.
 
The Donut said:
How is this different from Steam? Oh wait, it's not.
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I trust Valve to manage my Steam account FAR FAR more than I would trust Microsoft any day of the week.

Steam will also review your ban and lift it if you are being wronged. But MS simply WILL not reverse a ban , regardless if you have any proof for your case.

Man , every week something worse comes out from the MS camp. So Xbox One is STEAM and you must buy a $500 lesser PC that you can not upgrade to use it...

Ugh.
 
The Donut said:
How is this different from Steam? Oh wait, it's not.
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Steam does not ban you for modding your hardware, MS does.......that is a significant difference. Steam WILL pwn you for cheating though and that I agree with...
 
The Donut said:
How is this different from Steam? Oh wait, it's not.
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While you are correct in Valves potential ability to ban one's account being similar to Microsoft's, in practice the latter has been trigger happy in regards to banning people left and right on Xbox Live up till now.
 
Steam bans your entire account if you are caught by Valves UAC? Since when? I've only ever heard of them banning online play with their games.
 
next-Jin said:
Steam bans your entire account if you are caught by Valves UAC? Since when? I've only ever heard of them banning online play with their games.
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That's what I thought.

The only time I know of entire accounts getting banned/blocked is when people do charge backs on credit cards.
 
Skillz said:
That's what I thought.

The only time I know of entire accounts getting banned/blocked is when people do charge backs on credit cards.
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Or when you're caught using certain hacks.

The only reason people modifiy an Xbox 360 is to play pirated games; this isn't like the original Xbox where you can turn it into a mini HTPC.
 
The Donut said:
Or when you're caught using certain hacks.

The only reason people modifiy an Xbox 360 is to play pirated games; this isn't like the original Xbox where you can turn it into a mini HTPC.
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So if I use a hack for something like Borderlands 2 they would ban my entire account? I'll have to read up on it at work because its just completely different than what I had thought was the case since 2006.
 
Steam and Origin both have this potential as well. Remember all the famous "I can't play battlefield because I was a forum troll" stories?

I've never heard of PSN or Nintendo banning anybody but I assume they have the potential.
 
Soon they will announce how the Xbone will give you electric shocks while playing.
 
Seems kinda heavy handed, I could understand banning from that specific game or online multiplayer, but to have your entire collection blocked? Yikes!
 
This has been updated, they retracted the statement and said it was for 360.
 
TheFlosser said:
This. Double standards are for chumps.
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I'm almost positive getting vac banned for cheating basically just banned you from playing online on vac servers and you get to keep your games and even continue to play them online as long as they aren't vac secured servers.

Getting your account banned is much harder usually from trying to exploit and steal people's accounts and doing charge backs.
 
yourgrandma said:
I'm almost positive getting vac banned for cheating basically just banned you from playing online on vac servers and you get to keep your games and even continue to play them online as long as they aren't vac secured servers.

Getting your account banned is much harder usually from trying to exploit and steal people's accounts and doing charge backs.
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Are you really going to white knight Valve here? Who are you kidding? Oh that's right. I forget this forum is filled with people drowning in the Steam koolaid.

Yeah, no refunds and buying a "license" to games in the name of convenience is a practice that should be encouraged. Microsoft certainly thinks so.

The only reason Valve has any standing is because people find Steam convenient. That means a lot to them. Sheep love convenience.
 
yourgrandma said:
I'm almost positive getting vac banned for cheating basically just banned you from playing online on vac servers and you get to keep your games and even continue to play them online as long as they aren't vac secured servers.

Getting your account banned is much harder usually from trying to exploit and steal people's accounts and doing charge backs.
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This is correct and also if you do get your Steam account itself banned, you still have access to your games you have purchased you just can not make any more purchases or trades at all on that account anymore, it is essentially locked down and can only be used to play what is tied to it.
 
yourgrandma said:
Not white knighting just clarifying a point that they are not the same thing. Your idealistic vision of ownership will never come true btw.
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My "idealistic" vision of ownership seemed to work fine before digital distribution.

Barring that, the consumer protection laws elsewhere, such as in the UK, can be much better. In the UK, people actually have a right to a refund, even with Steam.

Maybe you're just accustomed to bending over.
 
The Donut said:
Or when you're caught using certain hacks.

The only reason people modifiy an Xbox 360 is to play pirated games; this isn't like the original Xbox where you can turn it into a mini HTPC.
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I think those "hacks" you are referring to are actually referred to more often as "cracks" to obtain games illegally. I forgot about that. Steam/Valve will ban your account if you're stealing as well. :eek:
 
XBOX One, LOL!

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TheFlosser said:
Are you really going to white knight Valve here? Who are you kidding? Oh that's right. I forget this forum is filled with people drowning in the Steam koolaid.

Yeah, no refunds and buying a "license" to games in the name of convenience is a practice that should be encouraged. Microsoft certainly thinks so.

The only reason Valve has any standing is because people find Steam convenient. That means a lot to them. Sheep love convenience.
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Don't be foolish man. It has been explained time and time again why Steam makes sense (their price point) and what their policies are

People get banned for cheating online but they still have access to their content
Accounts get banned if you are doing shady things or chargebacks...

MS will ban you for the same things and suspend your account if you do chargebacks....
 
They should execute this after five teamkills in BF4. Can you imagine how much better the playerbase would be. It would be like real war. Actually the stakes would be even higher than real war. Nade spamming would be a thing of the past.

I can't tell if Microsoft is trying to be big brother or if they are just trying to maintain the integrity of their system and deter abuses. There is no need to tolerate piracy, or any hacking.
 
TheFlosser said:
Are you really going to white knight Valve here? Who are you kidding? Oh that's right. I forget this forum is filled with people drowning in the Steam koolaid.

Yeah, no refunds and buying a "license" to games in the name of convenience is a practice that should be encouraged. Microsoft certainly thinks so.

The only reason Valve has any standing is because people find Steam convenient. That means a lot to them. Sheep love convenience.
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The comparison between Steam and MS really isn't the same thing.

Steam does NOT ban you for cheating, trolling forums, hacking your games, etc. You might get a VAC ban that would prevent you from playing online, but you don't lose access to your games. The only time I have seen people losing their entire account is from doing a CC chargeback. This is totally different than either Origin or MS where if you lose access to your account, for any reason, you cannot play your games. People got banned from playing Battlefield 3 for trolling on forums. Fact. I can understand why people might have the same grievances with Steam over content ownership as they would with any other distribution service, but Steam does have a history of being much better managed.

And I don't understand the "sheep" comment. Convenience is a totally legitimate consumer desire. I'm fine with having my content licenses tied to Steam, given the cheaper access to games, ability to access them from any computer including my cloud saves, download them at will anywhere I can log into Steam, integrated friends lists, etc. I would much rather use Steam than the system that was previously in place for PC games. CD keys were obnoxious and installing games was a pain in the ass.
 
Rizen said:
The comparison between Steam and MS really isn't the same thing.

Steam does NOT ban you for cheating, trolling forums, hacking your games, etc. You might get a VAC ban that would prevent you from playing online, but you don't lose access to your games. The only time I have seen people losing their entire account is from doing a CC chargeback. This is totally different than either Origin or MS where if you lose access to your account, for any reason, you cannot play your games. People got banned from playing Battlefield 3 for trolling on forums. Fact. I can understand why people might have the same grievances with Steam over content ownership as they would with any other distribution service, but Steam does have a history of being much better managed.

And I don't understand the "sheep" comment. Convenience is a totally legitimate consumer desire. I'm fine with having my content licenses tied to Steam, given the cheaper access to games, ability to access them from any computer including my cloud saves, download them at will anywhere I can log into Steam, integrated friends lists, etc. I would much rather use Steam than the system that was previously in place for PC games. CD keys were obnoxious and installing games was a pain in the ass.
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What reason they have for taking or not taking away 'their' games that you 'licensed' and paid for is irrelevant.

You miss the point entirely.

And again, what I said about convenience, also flew right over your little head.

You and many others like you have basically given up some consumer rights for the convenience of having your games on a nice little ecosystem Valve made for you. You are literally a sheep.

It's not all your fault, convenience does have a sort of sway on the human psyche. You can google research showing how much more people are willing to spend on a credit card versus using cash instead to see what I mean.
 
TheFlosser said:
What reasons they have for taking or not taking away 'their' games that you 'licensed' for is irrelevant.

You miss the point entirely.

And again, what I said about convenience, also flew right over your little head.

You and many others like you have basically given up some consumer rights for the convenience of having your games on a nice little ecosystem Valve made for you. You are literally a sheep.

It's not all your fault, convenience does have a sort of sway on the human psyche. You can google research showing how much more people are willing to spend on a credit card versus using cash instead to see what I mean.
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Dude, kill the fucking "holier than thou" attitude. You can stop acting like you're better than everyone else because of how you buy you games. Here's a hint: You're not. You want to do your crusade against digital games? Go for it, but holding your gaming buy decisions above everyone's head and acting like it somehow makes you better person is not going to get your voice heard. Your attitude only serves to piss people off and make them disregard every single word you say. You know what you sound like right now? One of those uber religious types that gets in people's faces and tells them they're wrong for not following their belief and how much better they are than you because they "know the truth". It doesn't do your message any good to be compared to that. You want to convince people, start with treating them like people and not like lesser beings because they buy a fucking video game you disagree with.
 
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