Windows Blue Update Leaks Out

[ManofGod]

I thought I already gave you that advice yesterday?

You mean you do not take your own advice to heart then? Oh well. Windows 8 works and works well. For those that have legit issues or just do not like it, that is cool.

However, for those who have never used it or make claims that are patently false, get over yourself, you are not that important.

 

[Dekarx]

It's a new Windows OS, it inately generates random blind unfounded hatred and bandwagon rage bonding. It is the same thing every single damn release. People love to be bros in whining.

 

[ManofGod]

It's a new Windows OS, it inately generates random blind unfounded hatred and bandwagon rage bonding. It is the same thing every single damn release. People love to be bros in whining.

You are right but sometimes I forget that. Thanks.

 

[Wrench00]

It isnt. Spend 20 minutes with the os it is the same amount of work or less with windows 8 as it was with 7.

You tell me how you can see wireless profiles in in Windows 8. How do you skip WPS like in 7. I don't want to see or use Metro, How do I control live accounts, how do I do a system refresh?

 

[mavrocket]

You tell me how you can see wireless profiles in in Windows 8. How do you skip WPS like in 7. I don't want to see or use Metro, How do I control live accounts, how do I do a system refresh?

It's like he said, right-click in the lower left hand corner and then left-click Control Panel when on the desktop or Start Screen. It really is that simple.

I don't get all the hate from people who haven't tried it.

I logon to my Win8 computer, it boots to desktop (never see the Start Screen). My desktop looks and functions the EXACT same as Win7. For all intents and purposes, I would bet anyone looking at my desktop wouldn't know it was Win8 except the start menu icon is a Win8 flag instead of Win7.

I do use Start8 in order to have a start menu, but I wouldn't hold that out as a reason the OS sucks. I used more than one program with Win7 to enhance functionality anyways... Plus, if you wanted to go direct to desktop without Start8, it's as simple as adding a task via Task Scheduler to bring up the desktop during logon/startup.

If I want to use a Metro App, I go to the Start Screen and use it. If I don't, I never see the Start Screen. It's a choice to use Metro, not a requirement.

I have to stress this as best I can; I see no difference between Win7 and Win8 during everyday use. None, nada, zip. Except of course, it does boot up in about 8 seconds, and shuts down in less than that.

Get a life, job, girlfriend, new game, watch a stupid YouTube video, etc. etc. and stop bitching and moaning about something that you don't even use.

 

[Cataulin]

I've been using it about a month now. Just wheened myself off of the start button thru start 8 trial. Its really not that bad once you get it.

 

[Wrench00]

It's like he said, right-click in the lower left hand corner and then left-click Control Panel when on the desktop or Start Screen. It really is that simple.

I don't get all the hate from people who haven't tried it.

I logon to my Win8 computer, it boots to desktop (never see the Start Screen). My desktop looks and functions the EXACT same as Win7. For all intents and purposes, I would bet anyone looking at my desktop wouldn't know it was Win8 except the start menu icon is a Win8 flag instead of Win7.

I do use Start8 in order to have a start menu, but I wouldn't hold that out as a reason the OS sucks. I used more than one program with Win7 to enhance functionality anyways... Plus, if you wanted to go direct to desktop without Start8, it's as simple as adding a task via Task Scheduler to bring up the desktop during logon/startup.

If I want to use a Metro App, I go to the Start Screen and use it. If I don't, I never see the Start Screen. It's a choice to use Metro, not a requirement.

I have to stress this as best I can; I see no difference between Win7 and Win8 during everyday use. None, nada, zip. Except of course, it does boot up in about 8 seconds, and shuts down in less than that.

Get a life, job, girlfriend, new game, watch a stupid YouTube video, etc. etc. and stop bitching and moaning about something that you don't even use.

1. No I don't think you do get it.
2. Windows 8 did remove functionality.
3. I work in IT its my job to use and evaluate new OSes.
4. Just because you don't see the difference that doesn't mean that a more capable power use then your self will not.
5. I am not a consumer level user such as your self, its fine that you think there is no difference, I spent a lot more time in front of the computer therefore I will notice problems before untrained home user as your self will.
6. Metro is not an Option its mandatory for full os functionality. I spend a lot on a desktop and will never use metro for anything so I expect the same option in metro to be in desktop which there aren't, especially the control panel.
7. Again I don't mind the start screen but what I can't stand is Control Panel in Metro or the Charms bar which just plainly don't work in a lot of situations that I have to deal with.
9. Who said I don't use 8. I wouldn't have pointed out the flaws if I didn't.

10. Next time you start personally insulting me I will report you.

 

[mavrocket]

1. No I don't think you do get it.
2. Windows 8 did remove functionality.
3. I work in IT its my job to use and evaluate new OSes.
4. Just because you don't see the difference that doesn't mean that a more capable power use then your self will not.
5. I am not a consumer level user such as your self, its fine that you think there is no difference, I spent a lot more time in front of the computer therefore I will notice problems before untrained home user as your self will.
6. Metro is not an Option its mandatory for full os functionality. I spend a lot on a desktop and will never use metro for anything so I expect the same option in metro to be in desktop which there aren't, especially the control panel.
7. Again I don't mind the start screen but what I can't stand is Control Panel in Metro or the Charms bar which just plainly don't work in a lot of situations that I have to deal with.
9. Who said I don't use 8. I wouldn't have pointed out the flaws if I didn't.

10. Next time you start personally insulting me I will report you.

I apologize, the job/life comment wasn't directed at you, but the folks who needlessly bash something without using it (not just Win8).

Like I said, I don't see any difference for everyday/gaming use. Since you do, using it for more than I do, then consider it duly noted.

 

[DiabloRojo]

It isn't the tiles in 8 it's something else. For fucks sake its an OS not the election of the Pope.

No shit. I'll give you ONE try at guessing which of these actually affects my life on a daily basis.

 

[heatlesssun]

That same survey shows Win7 at +69% and even Windows XP is beating Win8 at this point, which is pretty impressive since OEM's are forced to ship Win8 on all new machines. Excuse me but I'd rather take the word of a person in charge of a Billion dollar company over yours.

Who is saying to take my word for anything? I was simply referencing the February Steam survey which I would say is much more Gabe's word than mine. And actually this survey shows 8 ahead of XP when you combine the 64 and 32 bit versions at 9.66% to 9.33%.

10% market share is significantly higher than what the consensus is for general adoption of 8 at this point and I think it would be much harder to call 8 a failure with 10% of the total desktop market after just 4 months.

What I don't understand is your on here day and night defending the OS yet your not getting paid? People have their minds already made up so give it a rest already.

I'm just as perplexed by those that bash an OS night and day that don't use it and aren't getting paid as well.

I'm not trying to convince anyone to like 8 but there is plenty said of 8 of its opponents that's simply not the experience by far of everyone. Many 8 opponents seem to feel compelled to call 8 a catastrophe that everyone hates when the reality that I can best discern is that 8 is more of a controversy than something that's universally reviled.

How many people have said "If only there were a Metro off switch and/or an option to put back the old UI I'd upgrade to Windows 8 in a second. If Microsoft had provided these options no one would be complaining about Windows 8 and it would be a hit." I just don't think that an OS can possibly be as bad as many say it is when at the same time many of those same people just want an in the box option to go back to the 20 year old UI.



8 is much more controversial in nature.

 

[Wrench00]

I apologize, the job/life comment wasn't directed at you, but the folks who needlessly bash something without using it (not just Win8).

Like I said, I don't see any difference for everyday/gaming use. Since you do, using it for more than I do, then consider it duly noted.

There are problems with 8 just "consumers" will not come across very often. I found numerous bugs in the platform 2 of which I had to report to Microsoft and they acknowledged. I am an Admin I get to see a lot of the stuff in the background no one else does.

 

[Dekarx]

I am also a credential-less OS engineer from the future and I say it provides essentially the same things and a bit more and also boils AND fetches coffee for you. Bow down to my superior knowledge, mortals, or I will hack your PC and delete your game save files.

 

[DeathPrincess]

10% market share is significantly higher than what the consensus is for general adoption of 8 at this point and I think it would be much harder to call 8 a failure with 10% of the total desktop market after just 4 months.

9% of the people who opt into the Steam survey does not equal 9% of the desktop market (especially as it hasn't sold 140 million copies.. Look at the steam total online people and it's at most 4-5million...unless there's 50 million PC users the survey is nonsense...

 

[heatlesssun]

9% of the people who opt into the Steam survey does not equal 9% of the desktop market (especially as it hasn't sold 140 million copies.. Look at the steam total online people and it's at most 4-5million...unless there's 50 million PC users the survey is nonsense...

Huh? I said that IF Windows 8 were 10% of the total desktop/laptop OS market after just four months it would be much more difficult to call it a failure. The condenses in the overall market right now has 8 at somewhere in the 3 to 4 percent range.

 

[ManofGod]

1. No I don't think you do get it.
2. Windows 8 did remove functionality.
3. I work in IT its my job to use and evaluate new OSes.
4. Just because you don't see the difference that doesn't mean that a more capable power use then your self will not.
5. I am not a consumer level user such as your self, its fine that you think there is no difference, I spent a lot more time in front of the computer therefore I will notice problems before untrained home user as your self will.
6. Metro is not an Option its mandatory for full os functionality. I spend a lot on a desktop and will never use metro for anything so I expect the same option in metro to be in desktop which there aren't, especially the control panel.
7. Again I don't mind the start screen but what I can't stand is Control Panel in Metro or the Charms bar which just plainly don't work in a lot of situations that I have to deal with.
9. Who said I don't use 8. I wouldn't have pointed out the flaws if I didn't.

10. Next time you start personally insulting me I will report you.

Man, your holier than thou, I know everything and more than you do attitude is really grated and stupid. You have yet to show me any respect and in fact, demean in just about every post I have seen.

You want respect, you have to earn it, it is not a right. Also, you clearly hate microsoft and anything that does not go your way. (Case in point, number 10: I will report you.) Get over yourself and maybe I could take you more seriously.

I am an IT professional but you know what? I just do my job and adapt, not carry on like I am owed something. I find Windows 8 to be very good and yes, I use it and other OSes all the time.

 

[Wrench00]

Man, your holier than thou, I know everything and more than you do attitude is really grated and stupid. You have yet to show me any respect and in fact, demean in just about every post I have seen.

You want respect, you have to earn it, it is not a right. Also, you clearly hate microsoft and anything that does not go your way. (Case in point, number 10: I will report you.) Get over yourself and maybe I could take you more seriously.

I am an IT professional but you know what? I just do my job and adapt, not carry on like I am owed something. I find Windows 8 to be very good and yes, I use it and other OSes all the time.

I'm not holier then thou (Pot calling kettle black). People don't respect anyone on H forums.
Again I stated my point and the problems I have encountered, that are major flaws in the design of the OS which will completely bar it from enterprise market. I would adapt if I didn't have major issues deploying 8 in a production environment and supporting it.
As far as the usability I don't really care that's a users problem not mine, but if they bitch and whine it is my problem.

 

[CreepyUncleGoogle]

Queue religious ideology debate to run in parallel with a pointless argument about an operating system!

 

[Climber]

You tell me how you can see wireless profiles in in Windows 8. How do you skip WPS like in 7. I don't want to see or use Metro, How do I control live accounts, how do I do a system refresh?

Look I'm not a power user, a programmer, or an advanced tinker anymore. Windows 8 does everything I need for home use and that is all I've ever said. It works great for everything I need it to do at home and on my workstation at home. I can't comment on the remote functions and as I've said numerous times before and I don't think any disagrees is that yes there is still a ton of work to do on Windows 8 just as there was on Windows 7 and every other single Windows release previously.

As far as handling my wireless network I have always used the cmd prompt for it and still do in Windows 8. However, if you're connecting to that many wireless networks that you need to remember Windows 8 handles that natively so you don't need to. If you want to adjust the priority for those networks then I guess the cmd prompt is still the best way to do so.

I guess there is a reason to skip WPS but why? I know in 7 you could skip WPS and enter your security key so is that why you are wanting to skip WPS?

Not sure on live accounts as I don't use them so sorry. As for a system refresh, hit start type refresh or reset and done. So much simpler in 8 than it was in 7.

 

[Climber]

Whoa that formatting got messed up

 

[CreepyUncleGoogle]

Whoa that formatting got messed up

Just blame Windows 8's user interface for it.

 

[RangerXML]

Alright, both of you have differing opinions and that is good, but please don't take it to a personal. Both point are legit (personally speaking, I'm right and your not ). The problem I have here is that its forcing us to polarize, when I talk to people in person I share both the negatives and the positives of Windows 8, but when I talk here I have to be careful about anything negative I say because I will be attacked on it. The fact of Windows 8 versus 7 isn't black and white, all there really is if the positives out way the negatives personally and for our customers. I will acknowledge that the Windows 8 UI has major intuitive flaws, but nothing that can't be fixed or figured out in a few seconds of Google (right click where the Start button was, powerful tool), but you have to, no matter your stance on Windows 8, admit that Microsoft did a bang up job on performance and stability. Personally speaking, I'm not going backwards.

Keep this professional.

 

[DeathPrincess]

Huh? I said that IF Windows 8 were 10% of the total desktop/laptop OS market after just four months it would be much more difficult to call it a failure. The condenses in the overall market right now has 8 at somewhere in the 3 to 4 percent range.

So it's still a failure because it hasn't. Ok, that makes calling it a failure easier.

 

[Climber]

Just blame Windows 8's user interface for it.

Muhahahaha awesome! Something else I can blame microsoft for hehe.

 

[wonderfield]

The metrics Microsoft uses internally to differentiate success and failure are not the metrics heatless uses (Microsoft acknowledges their monopoly on this market). Presumably app availability plays a role in defining success/failure as well, and the current situation is still terribly grim (to the point that Microsoft is paying up to $1,000 per developer to submit apps).

There are single metrics which paint a positive light on Windows 8 sales and there are metrics that show Windows 8 performance in quite a different light. For those with dogs in the fight, the latter simply do not exist.

 

[Revdarian]

I just find it funny that most of the 16 pages of this wouldn't exist if they would give you a natural option.

But i also understand that they seem to think that Windows App Store is where the money is at, and that is what they are really trying to shove down our throats, and that is the only reason why they didn't ship the option to have a "classic shell"

 

[Climber]

For me it isn't about attacking someone who doesn't like it. It is an OS I can care less if you like it. However when I purchased my copy I was scared to death the gates of hell would open and the weeping and gnashing of teeth would begin based off all the hate and info in the OS forum.

I was quite surprised by the OS and after reading much of the thread the amount of just fud and basically lies was overwhelming. It is one of the reasons I responded to who I did originally because they wanted an OS with a desktop not the metro shit. The simple fact of the matter is metro is 100% optional but you read many of the windows 8 threads and you wouldn't know that.

The amount of hate over Windows 8 is ridiculous and most of it is either misplaced or fud. Windows 8 is a great OS with some kinks still needing fixed but so did 7 and 98 and server 2000. If windows 8 tanks I'll move onto something else but I would hate for someone to read the amount of bias against it and think windows 8 is somehow going to lessen their experience. If you have windows 7 there is zero reason to upgrade to 8 but if you're buying a new computer or building one windows 8 is a great option.

 

[pcjunkie]

You mean you do not take your own advice to heart then? Oh well. Windows 8 works and works well. For those that have legit issues or just do not like it, that is cool.

However, for those who have never used it or make claims that are patently false, get over yourself, you are not that important.

Dear lord that is the pot calling the kettle black. Believe me YOU are not that important either so why bother...really what is in it for you unless you are being paid? People have made up their minds already whether they like it or hate it so quit being an evangelist for Win8 and just move on. Are you trying to prove something? Seriously 15 pages of you and heatlesssun arguing with everybody....wow

 

[ManofGod]

Queue religious ideology debate to run in parallel with a pointless argument about an operating system!

Well, this is the internet, I guess anything could happen. (I am a Christian but that is not what I was referring too when said that.)

 

[Meeho]

I was quite surprised by the OS and after reading much of the thread the amount of just fud and basically lies was overwhelming. It is one of the reasons I responded to who I did originally because they wanted an OS with a desktop not the metro shit. The simple fact of the matter is metro is 100% optional but you read many of the windows 8 threads and you wouldn't know that.

Really? Please, point me to the option in the OS to turn it off and not see it ever.

 

[Dekarx]

Really? Please, point me to the option in the OS to turn it off and not see it ever.

The option is not inate and I agree it should be, Still, classic shell has been around at the very least since VISTA, where people complained uselessy just like you do.

 

[heatlesssun]

The metrics Microsoft uses internally to differentiate success and failure are not the metrics heatless uses (Microsoft acknowledges their monopoly on this market). Presumably app availability plays a role in defining success/failure as well, and the current situation is still terribly grim (to the point that Microsoft is paying up to $1,000 per developer to submit apps).

There are single metrics which paint a positive light on Windows 8 sales and there are metrics that show Windows 8 performance in quite a different light. For those with dogs in the fight, the latter simply do not exist.

I've never declared Windows 8 a success or failure at this point as it's simply too soon. We're looking at a significant update in Blue as well as a ton of new hardware, particularly of the tablet and battery efficient kind that will be coming out. Whether this will mean much I don't know at this point but 8 and the market is going to change significantly in the coming months.

As for the Metro app count, it's around 50,000 world wide right now, which after 5 months I wouldn't call disastrous but there's a long way to go. The promotion that you mentioned is $100 per developer per app for both Windows 8 and Windows Phone for a total of up $2k. Most people don't think that's nearly enough which I would tend to agree. However Microsoft is slow with its own apps, there a lot of games they promised before the general release of 8 over five months ago that still haven't shown up. Whatever the issue is there I have no clue.

Still a wait and see game for a lot of developers but as 8 improves and its market share rises which is inevitable there will be more developer interest in the platform.

As for the Blue leak people are starting to pick it apart and some interesting details are starting to come out. One interesting change is in the search. Someone found a registry hack that looks to enable a comprehensive search mechanism that searched everything locally and also incorporates a web search. Apparently not functional in this leak but Search looks like its going to change quite a bit.

 

[heatlesssun]

Really? Please, point me to the option in the OS to turn it off and not see it ever.

No, there's no built in option to "turn off" Metro. However to Climber's point, I think the way some people are portraying Metro as something that's just always popping and getting in the way is overstated.

Yes, there are the common complaints like default associations being set to Metro apps, full screen Start Screen, Search, apps and the new Metro options being in PC Settings and not the Control Panel, etc. If you do not like these things and continually fight them then of course that gets in the way. If you adjust to it, it's just not that big of deal typically. And this is where one of the big divides occur between Windows 8 opponents and proponents. When you learn what's there and how to use it Metro isn't problematic. Not perfect but certainly that makes Windows 7 inherently better on the desktop than Windows 8.

 

[Climber]

Really? Please, point me to the option in the OS to turn it off and not see it ever.

Win-D

You turn your computer off and on and want to boot straight to your desktop open task scheduler and create task. Name it what you want open the trigger menu select new>select the begin task or whatever>choose at log in click ok>open the actions tab select new and enter explorer in the script field and done. You never have to see metro again if you don't want to. If you do then that is on you.

 

[heatlesssun]

Win-D

You turn your computer off and on and want to boot straight to your desktop open task scheduler and create task. Name it what you want open the trigger menu select new>select the begin task or whatever>choose at log in click ok>open the actions tab select new and enter explorer in the script field and done. You never have to see metro again if you don't want to. If you do then that is on you.

While what you're saying is technically correct in this I think if the point is to avoid Metro at all costs then Windows 8 isn't the way to go.

 

[Climber]

No, there's no built in option to "turn off" Metro. However to Climber's point, I think the way some people are portraying Metro as something that's just always popping and getting in the way is overstated.

Hence the optional part. I don't bitch about minesweeper being a default game I just don't play it. Likewise metro has never been used by my wife or mother in law on their laptops again hence the optional part. If you don't like metro just win D and leave your desktop on. Pin your programs on the desktop or get rocketdock if you prefer a clean desktop. My wife didn't know she had windows 8 on her computer for a good two weeks. She just knew she thought the tiles were ugly and wanted a regular desktop and that is what she got.

Again I'm not saying 8 is superior to 7 I'm saying windows 8 is perfectly capable as a desktop version

 

[zero2dash]

This has come up a million times

For me, the failure in Win8 is that its trying to be 2 things at once.

IMO, it should have been two different versions.

There should have been a Tablet version, ala, Metro, and no desktop, built for touch screen.

Then there should have been the Desktop version, ala, a full Desktop experience up front (like Win7), no Metro.

Problem solved

It's a hybrid trying to succeed at multiple things, and failing at all of them

Instead, it should have been more specific to the platform its installed on

This, oh God this, a million times this.

The problem with this though is that the desktop market is not growing. Even Macs are getting hit now.

Putting out an all-in-one wonder OS isn't helping PC hardware sales or the adoption rate either.

I can't bear Windows 8. I've tried...several times... I just can't do it. Luckily it's easy to trash a VM and go back to 'Go'.

 

[Climber]

While what you're saying is technically correct in this I think if the point is to avoid Metro at all costs then Windows 8 isn't the way to go.

Then stick with 7. If you have 8 already then there isn't much you can do about it except get used to win D or set up a task to boot to the desktop.

I just don't get the bitch fest. Adapt or don't get it. It isn't like you're forced to use it.

 

[Wrench00]

Look I'm not a power user, a programmer, or an advanced tinker anymore. Windows 8 does everything I need for home use and that is all I've ever said. It works great for everything I need it to do at home and on my workstation at home. I can't comment on the remote functions and as I've said numerous times before and I don't think any disagrees is that yes there is still a ton of work to do on Windows 8 just as there was on Windows 7 and every other single Windows release previously.

As far as handling my wireless network I have always used the cmd prompt for it and still do in Windows 8. However, if you're connecting to that many wireless networks that you need to remember Windows 8 handles that natively so you don't need to. If you want to adjust the priority for those networks then I guess the cmd prompt is still the best way to do so.

I guess there is a reason to skip WPS but why? I know in 7 you could skip WPS and enter your security key so is that why you are wanting to skip WPS?

Not sure on live accounts as I don't use them so sorry. As for a system refresh, hit start type refresh or reset and done. So much simpler in 8 than it was in 7.

Its not an acceptable solution to tell a user type in the following jargon in command prompt. Not sure if you ever worked over the phone but getting Command prompt to come up for a user is a task and even to have them ping something is all together another issue. To have NETSH command to a user is beyond idiotic.

 

[heatlesssun]

Putting out an all-in-one wonder OS isn't helping PC hardware sales or the adoption rate either.

Currently no, but PC hardware is going to change significantly in the coming months.

 

[Wrench00]

As for WPS,, What happens if you know the SSID but not the WPS and you have no option to disable WPS on the router? How do you tell a user that they have to type in a huge NETSH command to connect? These kind of little thing in a corporate environment don't fly. What about 8 is in production but its been using classic shell and the user never used metro because of start button replacement how do you now explain to look for a Control Panel Item that's not in the control panel but rather in the Metro interface?
I don't have an issue with Metro I have an issue with Metro not being finished and waiting a year for MS to get their shit together I have a problem with.
Ever try adding a 8 machine to a small business server? There is a myriad of problems with it.
Server 2012 is also buggy no difference. Its like they fired their whole testing team. Hell usability team must have been semi retarded to miss some of the problems I mentioned. These blunders shouldn't have ever been in the OS at all especially when MS revenue come 2/3 from the Corporate market not consumer users.

I think MS needs a NT Brand and a Consumer Brand back. Metro and touch will never ever really make it in the enterprise at this rate.
I mean with all the fucking moronic version of Desktop OS you would think Corporate or Ultimate Version could have had the turn of metro crap switch. This would have helped MS in the enterprise market greatly as their are wicked good features in the new Kernel but they will miss the boat because user don't want to change or adapt or learn.