Windows Blue Update Leaks Out

[Ashbringer]

Agreed. I havent really hassled with that for friends and family though. I've been installing classic shell mostly. I disable all w8 functions. It adds a fully functional start menu, disables the corners, and boots straight to desktop. Their response..."Oh, its just like windows 7" lol. I know everyone hates it but Ive made quite a few people happy in 2 minutes or less. (Wait, what??)

This is most likely what I'll do for family members who's unfortunate enough to get Windows 8 on their computers. I'd love to install Windows 7 on them, but copies are hard to find. It's also easier to just install one or two programs and disable much of everything.

 

[Fort_Major]

This is most likely what I'll do for family members who's unfortunate enough to get Windows 8 on their computers. I'd love to install Windows 7 on them, but copies are hard to find. It's also easier to just install one or two programs and disable much of everything.

Microsoft's only saving grace on eventually succeeding in shoving Windows 8 down everybody's throat.

 

[heatlesssun]

Microsoft's only saving grace on eventually succeeding in shoving Windows 8 down everybody's throat.

Like they have shoved every other version of Windows down everyone's throats.

 

[RangerXML]

Microsoft's only saving grace on eventually succeeding in shoving Windows 8 down everybody's throat.

I'm all pro-Windows 8, but isn't that how every Windows upgrade works.

 

[heatlesssun]

You technically can do that in Windows 8 too (unless they are referring to a 50/50) which you can't it's 1-2 or 2-1. I wonder if they still fake suspend the other app randomly.

And then again how many "power" users are actually going to only run in Windows Metro only. If a one-button OneNote is for you, you could possibly be better served buying an iPad.

Look Windows Metro now supports multiple monitors, Oh that's lovely. I'll put my FB feed there, my Twitter feed there and my Brainwashing News there.

Nothing fake or random about it. Apps in the background suspend their UI operations as that's very useful on power constrained devices which counts laptops not plugged in. Also the resizing is quite a bit more than just half screen splitting, it can be up to four vertical splits depending on resolution and there is actually free resizing on the splits down to the snapped view off whatever are apps on screen. So at 1920x1200 I can have three splits, with two of them down to snapped view and the third taking up the rest of the screen. Because the apps automatically fill the space this is pretty cool even on a desktop.

I've been playing with the leak on multiple monitors because multiple monitor support I think was one of 8's biggest weakness relative to the desktop and it looks like most of the big issues are addressed in this leak. I honestly think a lot of people with multiple monitors will like 8 over 7, especially as more Metro apps come online.

The big items I see in regards to multiple monitors:

• The Start Screen can now open on a separate screen and not close Metro apps on other screens and as was the case the Start Screen can open on any screen unlike the Start Menu.
• Up to four vertical splits in Metro apps, including the desktop per screen. with free horizontal resizing down to the snapped view per split.
  
• The Start Screen can remain up on one screen while working on another, it doesn't automatically close. I'm sure that many Windows 8 opponents think this is stupid and it never occurred to me but I've seen this request a lot from people using Windows 8 with multiple monitors.

Definitely plenty of rough edges and bugginess but much better multiple monitor support to the point that with the much better Start Screen behavior I could see 8 being liked by multiple monitor users above the average acceptance of 8 on single monitor systems.

 

[Wierdo]

I have a Win8 license and tried it for a couple weeks, now I'm looking to get a license for Win7 until I need to upgrade to Linux, the Win8 experience was just so disruptive to my productivity and frustrating to use that even using a Mac OS was quite bearable by comparison.

It's strange that MS is the reason for me considering Linux all of a sudden, never crossed my mind before now, maybe Gabe Nowell's on to something.

 

[Fort_Major]

I'm all pro-Windows 8, but isn't that how every Windows upgrade works.

No. Windows 7 was fairly quickly adopted. It made sense for consumers and business. It improved a lot of the issues that were had with Windows Vista.

It went out with a better slew of hardware and overall didn't change the UX paradigm that much and went out with far better backwards application compatibility options for those who needed them.

The largest design change was powered by Microsoft's Metrics telling them nobody multi-tasks so they "hid that capability". And overall they were correct until they removed the ability to multi-task period (and are now adding it back, sort of, "lol sory guyz we understand u need to run multiple appz." Need to see your FB, Twitter, pInterest and Groupon feeds all at once).

I actually use the every-other Windows version as my metric. It has been a solid beat for Microsoft Operating Systems. So I was prepared for Windows 8 to be an utter flop.

I just just never fully imagined Microsoft would
a) Start ripping out the Desktop so you simply wouldn't have the productive features
b) Remove all Windows components from the core "new" Microsoft experience (ala Windows Metro), multi-tasking, resizing
c) Downgrade the Developer/Consumer Experience in Metro such that HTML/Javascript was on-par with their C#/XAML equivalent. Leaving behind a void for actual applications.
d) (and the cherry on top) People actually fight for Microsoft and say that this was a great and innovative move.

And unfortunately this is sadly a direction that no amount of Windows (Color) updates will be able to reverse.

 

[Fort_Major]

I have a Win8 license and tried it for a couple weeks, now I'm looking to get a license for Win7 until I need to upgrade to Linux, the Win8 experience was just so disruptive to my productivity and frustrating to use that even using a Mac OS was quite bearable by comparison.

It's strange that MS is the reason for me considering Linux all of a sudden, never crossed my mind before now, maybe Gabe Nowell's on to something.

Work keeps me 100% Microsoft orientated however I've given far more thought to jumping platforms personally and professionally (maybe not now, but what about in 1-2 years) in the last 6-9 months than I've probably ever considered total in the last decade.

 

[Fort_Major]

Nothing fake or random about it. Apps in the background suspend their UI operations as that's very useful on power constrained devices which counts laptops not plugged in.

Actually I am referring to the fake multi-tasking.
When you dock your Metro application to the side it may (and yes Microsoft has admitted that it is very random) suspend the application. Regardless of memory consumption, CPU Usage or hardware platform.

They specifically state/recommend that even if you are targeting the desktop that you should prepare your application to be suspended at any time for any reason.

 

[Fort_Major]

Definitely plenty of rough edges and bugginess but much better multiple monitor support to the point that with the much better Start Screen behavior I could see 8 being liked by multiple monitor users above the average acceptance of 8 on single monitor systems.

The best option for multiple-monitors and businesses IMHO is to simply get rid of the Start Screen period. Make this available only in the Business line of Windows if need be.

Or maybe a Wizard popups up and says, "We notice you are on a Desktop with 4 monitors. This is usually indicative of somebody who runs applications not apps. Would you like the Start Menu enabled by default"

Because the Windows 8 Start Screen forces users to play a game of Memory every single time they go to launch an application or hit the Windows key which launches the start screen. And I find that most people in the real world cannot play Memory if their life depends upon it. Add the fact that you generally are not good at playing a game while working, especially if you're not aware that your brain is playing a game.

I won't dive into the numerous inaccessibility frustrations that the Windows Start Screen poses.

 

[RangerXML]

I just just never fully imagined Microsoft would
a) Start ripping out the Desktop so you simply wouldn't have the productive features
b) Remove all Windows components from the core "new" Microsoft experience (ala Windows Metro), multi-tasking, resizing
c) Downgrade the Developer/Consumer Experience in Metro such that HTML/Javascript was on-par with their C#/XAML equivalent. Leaving behind a void for actual applications.
d) (and the cherry on top) People actually fight for Microsoft and say that this was a great and innovative move.

Its called Windows RT and last time I checked it wasn't doing so good. As for what I meant with Microsoft forcing upgrades down our throats every time a new OS comes out, look at what the newest computers being released come with, its not like you have much of a choice here.

Just to get a little bit on the Windows 8 bashing, a little bit of venting never hurt anyone. I was working into the night on my PC doing some encoding, uploading and downloading. Got pretty late and I was very tired, to the point my hand eye really started to suck. Trying to hit one of those hot corners one a 2 display set up to get the charm bar to come up really sucked. I was only after I got the computer shutdown and was warm and comfortable in bed that I realized that I could of just put my mouse into the corner of the far screen to get a charm bar there

 

[Fort_Major]

I don't think anybody at Microsoft used Windows 8 on a desktop, let alone in a multi-monitor setup. They're all too busy emailing from their iPad and their iPhone and using their MacAir while on campus.

 

[heatlesssun]

Actually I am referring to the fake multi-tasking.
When you dock your Metro application to the side it may (and yes Microsoft has admitted that it is very random) suspend the application. Regardless of memory consumption, CPU Usage or hardware platform.

They specifically state/recommend that even if you are targeting the desktop that you should prepare your application to be suspended at any time for any reason.

Do you have references to this? This would have to be a bug, it can't possibly be by design. I can't say I've seen foreground Metro apps just suspend, even in snapped view. Some apps don't handle snapping well but the ones that do I've never had a problem with. This is official guideline on the Metro app life cycle: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/apps/hh464925.aspx

d) (and the cherry on top) People actually fight for Microsoft and say that this was a great and innovative move.

The problem with your statements are that simply don't reflect the experience of many Windows 8 proponents that use Windows 8 everyday for everything that they used 7 for including desktop productivity purposes. I can't tell someone to like Windows 8 anymore than someone can tell me that I can't do the thing I'm doing all of the time.

The Start Menu and the Start Button have very little to do directly with day to day productivity, they are just conventions that people are used to because there are old. Sure, the change in the UI can cause disruptions to some people, but can also not be a big deal once a person gets used to it. And yes, I understand that some people don't want to get used to. That doesn't change that fact that more and more will over time and many already have.

 

[heatlesssun]

I don't think anybody at Microsoft used Windows 8 on a desktop, let alone in a multi-monitor setup. They're all too busy emailing from their iPad and their iPhone and using their MacAir while on campus.

I've probably said more about the failings of Windows 8 on multiple monitors, at least specifically than many Windows 8 haters because I use it all of the time on multiple monitors.

I'm using the leaked Blue build remotely from a laptop on a dual screen desktop and it's clear that much of effort in this build is specifically about multiple monitor desktops.

 

[RangerXML]

That is good to hear, I should be going from 2 monitors to 3 in about 2 months now.

 

[Fort_Major]

I'm using the leaked Blue build remotely from a laptop on a dual screen desktop and it's clear that much of effort in this build is specifically about multiple monitor desktops.

And I give you that, however both you and Microsoft fail to realize that there is no point in having a combined resolution of 4k invested in monitors and running Facebook, Twitter, pInterest, GPlus, Amazon and Groupon Apps.

Just like there is no point in having a non-very keyboard/mouse inaccessible Desktop OS/UX on a desktop, regardless of how many monitors you do or do not have.

The fact that multi-monitor productive desktop users are forced to glitch in and out of Metro is the problem. Making it so that you can run 5 FB Apps at the same time on your dual monitor setup is NOT the answer.

So +4 on Effort for Microsoft and +2 on trying to make it more usable in these scenarios; but -100 for launching a missile that failed to launch and left a gaping hole in their hull and are presently taking on water 5x faster than their pumps can pump out and refusing to patch it even when everybody offered them the solution.

 

[Fort_Major]

It should read combined resolution of 6-7k pixels. the 4k was for the cost in monitors.

 

[odditory]

And yes, I understand that some people don't want to get used to. That doesn't change that fact that more and more will over time and many already have.

Yes thats called MSS aka Metro Stockholm Syndrome. Captive users that ended up in a situation they aren't technically savvy enough to break out of and install a start menu replacement or what have you. that is most people

But by all means,, keep defending that lack of choice is a good thing

 

[CreepyUncleGoogle]

It should read combined resolution of 6-7k pixels. the 4k was for the cost in monitors.

You're kidding right? I'd buy $4k in monitors so I can run something professional and important like OneNote, Excel, Word, and PowerPoint all at the same time while playing music. It's the demanding office environment in which that sort of expense and hardware belong, not on the desks of mere peons running AutoCAD or rendering 3D models. </sarcasm>

 

[Fort_Major]

You're kidding right? I'd buy $4k in monitors so I can run something professional and important like running the Metro Edition of OneNote, Excel, Word, and PowerPoint all at the same time while playing music. It's the demanding office environment in which that sort of expense and hardware belong, not on the desks of mere peons running AutoCAD or rendering 3D models. </sarcasm>

There, fixed.

 

[Ghettobox]

The problem with your statements are that simply don't reflect the experience of many Windows 8 proponents that use Windows 8 everyday for everything that they used 7 for including desktop productivity purposes. I can't tell someone to like Windows 8 anymore than someone can tell me that I can't do the thing I'm doing all of the time.

The Start Menu and the Start Button have very little to do directly with day to day productivity, they are just conventions that people are used to because there are old. Sure, the change in the UI can cause disruptions to some people, but can also not be a big deal once a person gets used to it. And yes, I understand that some people don't want to get used to. That doesn't change that fact that more and more will over time and many already have.

And the problem with yours is you refuse to see that plenty of people who do use windows daily hate the fucking thing. Full stop. Forget the fact some people have zero desire to learn new shit to shut off their machine or any of the multitude of other complaints that 10 years olds could do pre win8. The point is why? So you can get curbstomped in the tablet race amd have a bunch of pissed of desktop users? And it's just not microsoft doing this garbage.

As someone who codes for a living I simply binned shit (Unity, Gnome3 et al) that got in my way because I really have better shit to do than fucking about with some godawful tablet UI. I'm all out of brain room for keyboard shortcuts (thanks emacs), and certainly don't need to drill down 50 menus with a mouse to get basic functionality back. Luckily I run linux so I just tossed all the rubbish and run awesome. Windows users? They can stay on 7, swap to linux/osx or admit defeat and suck it up I suppose. I'm just not sure how that's a good thing, or why you or anyone is defending it.

Win8 works for you, great. I'm glad your happy with it, It'd be pretty dumb to try to convince you it sucks at this point. Yet you crusade to evangelize win8 to people who hate it? You might want to pause here for a bit and reflect on that.

 

[Fort_Major]

+17

 

[heatlesssun]

And I give you that, however both you and Microsoft fail to realize that there is no point in having a combined resolution of 4k invested in monitors and running Facebook, Twitter, pInterest, GPlus, Amazon and Groupon Apps.

Just like there is no point in having a non-very keyboard/mouse inaccessible Desktop OS/UX on a desktop, regardless of how many monitors you do or do not have.

The fact that multi-monitor productive desktop users are forced to glitch in and out of Metro is the problem. Making it so that you can run 5 FB Apps at the same time on your dual monitor setup is NOT the answer.

So +4 on Effort for Microsoft and +2 on trying to make it more usable in these scenarios; but -100 for launching a missile that failed to launch and left a gaping hole in their hull and are presently taking on water 5x faster than their pumps can pump out and refusing to patch it even when everybody offered them the solution.

And what you're describing here isn't at all how at least I think I use Windows 8. Glitching in and out of Metro? When I want to use a desktop app I use a desktop app, when I want to use Metro apps I use Metro apps. A lot of Metro apps make sense full screen like Kindle, Nook, Netflix, games, etc. I understand that the full screen Start Screen, Search and etc. are considered disruptive but I can't think of any time personally that those things being full screen made any difference over not.

I use a number of Metro apps, generally for consumptive purposes, so maybe I am being forced to use Metro apps, I certainly don't feel that way. It's not like haven't changed default applications forever in Windows though when they weren't what I wanted.

 

[Fort_Major]

I understand that the full screen Start Screen, Search and etc. are considered disruptive but I can't think of any time personally that those things being full screen made any difference over not.

If you paid attention to what your brain is trying to tell you there is a possibility that you might actually say otherwise.

When I want to use a desktop app I use a desktop app, when I want to use Metro apps I use Metro apps.

And when I want to use dekstop Applications I want to stay on the desktop.

Things that are in Metro that really don't make any sense when you're on the desktop:
Shutdown/restart PC
Network/Wifi.
Searching for an installed program
Launching an application
"program association" notifications that popup randomly. I've had metro warn me 10 different times that "It is not the default handler" and that "I have new applications available to open teh intarwebs"

And all of these are generally a combo of being
a) unnavigable via keyboard.
b) Displaying limited information in places where you need more,
c) Displaying incorrect information, as if the feature got half developed and then forgot about.
d) Looking completely and utterly out of place on the desktop.
e) Being unacceptably slower than their prior equivalents and fairly inaccurate.

 

[Red Falcon]

And the problem with yours is you refuse to see that plenty of people who do use windows daily hate the fucking thing.

Quote of the day.

 

[heatlesssun]

And the problem with yours is you refuse to see that plenty of people who do use windows daily hate the fucking thing.

I doubt that you are using Windows 8 daily if hate it so much. Why would anyone with technical skill which apparently you have do that?

 

[heatlesssun]

If you paid attention to what your brain is trying to tell you there is a possibility that you might actually say otherwise.


And when I want to use dekstop Applications I want to stay on the desktop.

Things that are in Metro that really don't make any sense when you're on the desktop:
Shutdown/restart PC
Network/Wifi.
Searching for an installed program
Launching an application
"program association" notifications that popup randomly. I've had metro warn me 10 different times that "It is not the default handler" and that "I have new applications available to open teh intarwebs"

And all of these are generally a combo of being
a) unnavigable via keyboard.
b) Displaying limited information in places where you need more,
c) Displaying incorrect information, as if the feature got half developed and then forgot about.
d) Looking completely and utterly out of place on the desktop.
e) Being unacceptably slower than their prior equivalents and fairly inaccurate.

Some of this I've seen like the program association toast popping up for no apparent reason. And the network and power button are well discussed issues. I agree that the network overlay is odd and could be done better. Keyboard navigability I think is pretty good overall in the base Metro UI but can vary from app to app very much like desktop apps.

I've never said Windows 8 was perfect and have discussed the issues plenty of times, like multiple monitors. We all have our opinions and that's fine. But I actually do try to talk about actual specifics from the context of using the product daily. If something doesn't work for me or I have issue I have no problem pointing that out. Clearly some Metro apps don't make sense on the desktop but many do. I've just mixed and matched things over the months and I know that tends to work well, and that does for desktop apps that work and don't work on tablets.

I understand that there are those that want the one monolithic thing. If it's a desktop then it should always and forever be a desktop with free form floating windows and dense screens and so forth and that a tablet is something completely different. I just have a different view of it in that I think there is a place for simplification and unification on the PC. Of course by combining to different UIs in a less then elegant way Windows 8 does actually create more complexity in some ways.

I don't think the task is impossible and I certainly think that it's reasonable way forward for Windows PCs. What else can be done to the desktop and only the desktop to make people want more desktop only OS based machines? I believe that anyone that has an answer for that should pursue it as I think Microsoft would have pursued that course instead of Windows 8.

 

[Climber]

Looks absolutely horrible.

I want a desktop OS.

Not huge ass squares waiting for my fingers or screens that look 200% larger with minimal information that are very clearly designed for tablets.

What is this shit?

Hey go figure, my windows 8 desktop looks and functions exactly like my windows 7 desktop.

Different strokes for different folks but for god's sake use the fucking OS before bitching about it. Do you need to use Metro no. I never see it unless I want to. Does the charm bar get in the way, no never see it unless I want to. I loved it so much I've got 6 copies running on machines at home my mom and mother in law have very minor computer skills and both of their laptops are running 8 and they aren't having any trouble so if they can run it and navigate around with little to no trouble I'm sure the average [H] shouldn't have any problem with it.

Windows 8 isn't perfect and if you have Windows 7 and it is working fine then why the fuck would you want to upgrade. You're tech saavy enough that downgrading to Windows 7 if you bought a prepackaged OEM should be simple enough. However, I had to get a new license and Windows 8 was $10 through the University store so I grabbed a copy. I don't regret it one bit and have eventually put it on all the laptops and tablets around the house. Been running it solid for 4 months or so now and haven't ever thought damn this shit sucks.

It is an OS and it works. Installation is the easiest of any OS I've done, it is stable as none of my systems have crashed since day 1, it is the fastest OS I've used, and its flexibility makes it quite the perfect OS for an HTPC and gaming machine. Metro is 100% optional for a desktop user but it does make things much easier once you learn to switch between the two.

 

[snowcrash]

The more pics I see and how the icons are organized the more and more I believe what I said earlier. W8 fans are secretly in love with iOS but for whatever reasons don't own Macs.

 

[Wrench00]

Except if you want a certain control panel function and wireless managment, windows 8 is not easier or more efficient by a huge margin.

 

[ktk_ace]

The more pics I see and how the icons are organized the more and more I believe what I said earlier. W8 fans are secretly in love with iOS but for whatever reasons don't own Macs.

haha!!

 

[RangerXML]

Except if you want a certain control panel function and wireless managment, windows 8 is not easier or more efficient by a huge margin.

For crying out loud, right click where the Start button use to be and click on control panel and the full Windows 7 control panel magically appears in Windows 8 (AMAZING).

The more pics I see and how the icons are organized the more and more I believe what I said earlier. W8 fans are secretly in love with iOS but for whatever reasons don't own Macs.

Functionally, Windows 7 is a hell of a lot closer to Mac OSX then Windows 8 is to iOS, in fact most of the best feature were almost ripped directly off (Spotlight search, off the top of my head)

And as for the comments earlier about Gabe Newell, he helped feed the anti-Windows 8 hysteria for nothing but selfish profiteering. I talked to so many people that thought because of Gabe's comments about a closed off market that Steam wasn't going to work in Windows 8, I just ran into another technically inept person who still even after 7 months of Windows 8 being out that Steam doesn't work in Windows 8. Has his business slowed down, has Linux gaming exploded? Look at it logically, he has been making big pushes into other OSes, like OSX with Steamplay. Most of the Source titles already could function in Linux and a good business man expands his market share. His comments were strategic to drum up attention to Steam and a lot of people who hadn't yet heard of Steam (the ones that didn't hear Steam had expanded into PS3, or had expanded onto Mac, or apps for iOS and Android, or had a social platform on Facebook and YouTube), that look now we are invading Linux. Gabe can go finger bang himself, his comments were more damaging to gaming to the PC platform then Windows 8 will ever be.

 

[heatlesssun]

Gabe can go finger bang himself, his comments were more damaging to gaming to the PC platform then Windows 8 will ever be.

What's interesting about his comments is that his own Steam hardware survey shows Windows 8 being adopted at a much higher rate by Steam users than the general PC population.

 

[Climber]

Except if you want a certain control panel function and wireless managment, windows 8 is not easier or more efficient by a huge margin.

It isnt. Spend 20 minutes with the os it is the same amount of work or less with windows 8 as it was with 7.

 

[Climber]

The more pics I see and how the icons are organized the more and more I believe what I said earlier. W8 fans are secretly in love with iOS but for whatever reasons don't own Macs.

Guess this is supposed to be a passive aggressive insult but the fact is some like a clean desktop and rocketdock is a greatway to achieve that. I haven't had icons on my desktop since 95 debated and I prefer to keep it that way.

It isn't the tiles in 8 it's something else. For fucks sake its an OS not the election of the Pope.

 

[Dekarx]

The Start Screen can now open on a separate screen and not close Metro apps on other screens and as was the case the Start Screen can open on any screen unlike the Start Menu.
Up to four vertical splits in Metro apps, including the desktop per screen. with free horizontal resizing down to the snapped view per split.
The Start Screen can remain up on one screen while working on another, it doesn't automatically close. I'm sure that many Windows 8 opponents think this is stupid and it never occurred to me but I've seen this request a lot from people using Windows 8 with multiple monitors.

I wrote to ask for just that a few months ago. I wouldn't love W8 nearly as much on a single monitor, but I love having Metro opened on a side monitor and see the live tiles. People will stop whining at some point and move on. It's a better OS after all. Still, the difference with 7 isn't big enough to justify the move on most cases. I only got mine because there was a good offer for under 40 bucks.

 

[pcjunkie]

What's interesting about his comments is that his own Steam hardware survey shows Windows 8 being adopted at a much higher rate by Steam users than the general PC population.

Wow...now your arguing against Gaben! That same survey shows Win7 at +69% and even Windows XP is beating Win8 at this point, which is pretty impressive since OEM's are forced to ship Win8 on all new machines. Excuse me but I'd rather take the word of a person in charge of a Billion dollar company over yours.

What I don't understand is your on here day and night defending the OS yet your not getting paid? People have their minds already made up so give it a rest already.

 

[Dekarx]

The more pics I see and how the icons are organized the more and more I believe what I said earlier. W8 fans are secretly in love with iOS but for whatever reasons don't own Macs.

One of the most inane comments I have seen so far. The only difference with previous windows where people would organize their icons by theme on their desktop or in folders is that now th UI actually makes it slightly cleaner. You could achieve the same thing before, except that it was static. Or you could have a clusterfuck of unorganized icons like I, and many, did. Inefficiency all the way?

 

[ManofGod]

Wow...now your arguing against Gaben! That same survey shows Win7 at +69% and even Windows XP is beating Win8 at this point, which is pretty impressive since OEM's are forced to ship Win8 on all new machines. Excuse me but I'd rather take the word of a person in charge of a Billion dollar company over yours.

What I don't understand is your on here day and night defending the OS yet your not getting paid? People have their minds already made up so give it a rest already.

Exactly, so give it a rest PCJunkie, Shutup and move on already.

 

[pcjunkie]

Exactly, so give it a rest PCJunkie, Shutup and move on already.

I thought I already gave you that advice yesterday?