Battlefield 3 General Discussion Thread

odditory said:
But can't agree with mobile AA or another jet being only way to deal with enemy jets. Even two engi's with stingers working together can keep a decent no-fly zone around them against MOST jet pilots - he can flare/ECM out of one, out-turn the second if he's lucky, but he'll run out of luck by the followup shot from the Engi that fired the first if he's still loitering in the zone. A decent heli crew with a good gunner can also harass most jet pilots to good effect.
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Stingers are completely useless against jets. Most of the time they get in and out of range before you can even get a lock. And in the odd time when they don't, flare, out of range, repeat. Any halfway competent jet pilot will never have any issue with ground-based AA (other than maybe the mobile AA).
 
verylostindeed said:
Stingers are completely useless against jets. Most of the time they get in and out of range before you can even get a lock. And in the odd time when they don't, flare, out of range, repeat. Any halfway competent jet pilot will never have any issue with ground-based AA (other than maybe the mobile AA).
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The mobile AA is worthless against any halfway decent jet pilot, once they figure out where you are all they do is spot you on the first approach down, go high and loop back down, quickly scan their screen for you and find you because your FUCKING GODDAMN FUCKING TRIANGLE is still on their FUCKIN screen, you're dead. And there's no way in hell you can scurry across the map fast enough to avoid them or find them before they rain damage and destroy you. A good mobile AA can get the upper hand against a good attack chopper, but a good mobile AA will never get the upperhand against a good jet pilot.

Not complaining because I whore it up in an attack chopper as both pilot & gunner but as an attack chopper, AA from a jeep, tank, stinger, soflam, javalin, mobile anti-air, enemy jet, enemy chopper or any vehicle that can shoot in the air is enough to deter me and either cause me to turn around, back off and rethink my approach or go somewhere else, but the same cannot be said for jets.

When you can go 50 to 100 kills - xx deaths in a jet without any legit challenge except maybe another jet then there's something very unbalanced.
 
TheMadHatterXxX said:
A good mobile AA can get the upper hand against a good attack chopper, but a good mobile AA will never get the upperhand against a good jet pilot.
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Tell that to this guy who goes 23-0 in an MAA against the #2 jet pilot + a wingman. Its a pretty good demonstration of EXACTLY how an MAA should be played - surfing third person POV for wider FOV and greater situational awareness, using terrain strategically, not sitting in one place with a thumb parked spamming AA missiles like most people seem intent on doing. Hell theres even strategy to repairing and good players will combine all these factors - they add up and can tip the scale in your favor. But as we all know most people dont want to put the time in to learn all the nuances of the MAA and how they apply to specific maps and - lets be honest - they dont really care, theyd rather complain that noskill lockon weapons should be buffed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2m3mG4jeVk
 
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These two posts ^^ remind me of just a couple of the many reasons why I never play glowing triangle mode.
 
odditory said:
Tell that to this guy who goes 23-0 in an MAA against the #2 jet pilot + a wingman. Its a pretty good demonstration of EXACTLY how an MAA should be played - surfing third person POV for wider FOV and greater situational awareness, using terrain strategically, not sitting in one place with a thumb parked spamming AA missiles like most people seem intent on doing. Hell theres even strategy to repairing and good players will combine all these factors - they add up and can tip the scale in your favor. But as we all know most people dont want to put the time in to learn all the nuances of the MAA and how they apply to specific maps and - lets be honest - they dont really care, theyd rather complain that noskill lockon weapons should be buffed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2m3mG4jeVk
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Spamming AA missiles is a good way to broadcast your general location and get you killed and is pointless in the mobile AA unless you know for sure your target already used their countermeasures on someone elses AA missile.

First few minutes, most of his kills are against choppers and infantry and jeeps...also the choppers never attempt to TV missile him? I'd question why the chopper isn't actively seeking him or avoiding flying into his coverage...(Q spamming) ... He goes 23-1 that whole round ...from what I saw the majority of that was not from killing jets...I'm not knocking his skills, he has great mobility, it's just his efforts are mostly futile against jets-not his fault, just illustrating how unbalanced jets are in this game.

Also the angle of attack from those jets when they go after him is questionable at best. Most of the pros can now go up and come down perpendicular to you without you being able to see where the hell they are, they seem to be gliding parallel to him to make an attack run.
 
TheMadHatterXxX said:
First few minutes, most of his kills are against choppers and infantry and jeeps...also the choppers never attempt to TV missile him? I'd question why the chopper isn't actively seeking him or avoiding flying into his coverage...(Q spamming) ... He goes 23-1 that whole round ...from what I saw the majority of that was not from killing jets...I'm not knocking his skills, he has great mobility, it's just his efforts are mostly futile against jets-not his fault, just illustrating how unbalanced jets are in this game.
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The video was response to the comment about mobile AA standing no chance against a pro pilot, not what X, Y and Z the enemy should've done differently (though I agree with your assessment). If MAA is doing its job its not necessarily KILLING jets -- its suppressing them, because its a defensive not offensive platform like an AH or Jet. Had that MAA player not been in that game, those jets would've easily gone 2x-4x as many kills. I know because I've ended up in same servers as GK past two nights & occasionally as wingman (dont get me wrong i'm still garbage, he does the heavy lifting).

TheMadHatterXxX said:
Also the angle of attack from those jets when they go after him is questionable at best. Most of the pros can now go up and come down perpendicular to you without you being able to see where the hell they are, they seem to be gliding parallel to him to make an attack run.
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A topdown attack isnt something I see done by any pros I know or have been learning from in my clan, not only is it time-inefficient and time-consuming but exposes you unnecessarily to enemy jets. Flying in a predictable flight path (and a straight down attack is as predictable as it gets) is the precise moment a good enemy jet will pounce - 2 second cannon burst and youre dead. Keep in mind some of these guys have tens of thousands of jet kills, the guy in the vid has over 100,000 ... so theyve done it a few times and theyve settled into a kind of formula, in terms of flight patterns with the most optimal risk to reward ratios.
 
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It goes without saying but, triangle on Q spamming was a retarded decision. Stationary AA should have gotten stinger missiles also.

Besides the point, but over 100,000 jet kills? Job, social life, spouse/girlfriend, real life friends non-existent? :eek:
 
TheMadHatterXxX said:
Besides the point, but over 100,000 jet kills? Job, social life, spouse/girlfriend, real life friends non-existent? :eek:
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Has to be something else because I have none of those things and dont have nearly that many jet kills..not sure if this is :p or :( ....probably :(


Side note, apparently I never play on hardcore servers....first time on one last night in I dont know how long and in a jet without 3D spotting takes A TON of the advantage away...couldn't find shit to blow up and sniping infantry was near impossible.
 
Yeah I play hardcore and never have an issue with jets as infantry. As armor or in a helo, absolutely. But that 3D spotting nonsense is completely eliminated. The HUD is 100x cleaner in hardcore as well. It just feels like a vastly superior game.
 
TwistedAegis said:
Yeah I play hardcore and never have an issue with jets as infantry. As armor or in a helo, absolutely. But that 3D spotting nonsense is completely eliminated. The HUD is 100x cleaner in hardcore as well. It just feels like a vastly superior game.
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I think tanks and aircraft should retain the ammo counters and health even in hardcore because they're vehicles that tend to have readouts that give similar information...
 
USMCGrunt said:
I think tanks and aircraft should retain the ammo counters and health even in hardcore because they're vehicles that tend to have readouts that give similar information...
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there might be an argument for that if they even had finite ammo, but as it stands it's only good for telling when a weapon is ready to fire again.
 
TheMadHatterXxX said:
It goes without saying but, triangle on Q spamming was a retarded decision. Stationary AA should have gotten stinger missiles also.

Besides the point, but over 100,000 jet kills? Job, social life, spouse/girlfriend, real life friends non-existent? :eek:
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Agreed on Q spam. Its second nature to slap Q, especially looking down from an aircraft, and sweeping the reticle over your typical areas like hilltop on Caspian. Too easy. As for GK & his 100k jet kills, I guess thats how he chooses to spend his time. Maybe he's disabled, who knows, I dont look down on it. I know he's not the best dogfighter though because i'll see people follow him into servers he's on and beat him time and again. There's pub farming and there's dogfighting - two different things and the best dogfighters do nothing but that on private/unranked servers thus you'll see them have incredibly low killcounts and flight hours - because most of them arent logged.

I came to the conclusion long ago while running with a clan of Top10 air whores and getting embarrassingly high up on the AH board myself (99% as pilot) that leaderboards aren't a skill metric but a free time metric. A glorified free time contest and there will always be someone out there with more free time than you. You can still have job/friends/girlfriend/gym-to-melt-the-fat-off-your-ass and chase leaderboards but requires hours of playing per day and you'll be stretching everyones patience real thin.
 
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Shoot, not just free time but complete lack of brain activity...repeating the same things over and over again just isn't fun.
 
Maplehamwich said:
Are you guys ready? It's coming.

Battlefield 4: Pay 4 Bullets

http://www.vg247.com/2013/02/27/eas-future-games-will-all-feature-micro-transaction/

Which brings to mind:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR6-u8OIJTE&feature=youtu.be

ArmA 3 here I come!
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Wow... yes I'm totally going to pay $1 to reload my gun. This guy is a genius :rolleyes:

He's spent $5000 on micro-transactions this year so in fact this does work very well... for CEO's of huge game publishers. I'm sure $5000 feels like nothing to this guy.
 
John Riccitiello is the devil m'kay?

Silliness. Tired of this shit. PS2 and Tribes have an okay model I think. Understand that this is really a return to arcades in a sense. They want continuous income from their entire player base. Not just the single sale. Ok. Just don't force it on everyone.
 
Whoa, just installed this game after a year of inactivity and I'm only getting 10 or so active servers and only 4-5 of those are actually full. Is the game that bad now or is there something messed up with my browser?
 
chineseman said:
Whoa, just installed this game after a year of inactivity and I'm only getting 10 or so active servers and only 4-5 of those are actually full. Is the game that bad now or is there something messed up with my browser?
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Make sure you set your region and everything in the server browser. I was starting to run low on servers without setting the region because I thought it would just return them all. I set it to N.A. and I got a shit ton more servers to show up.

I just started jumping back into it as well...seems like most of the uber pilots have given up which is nice for me since im a jet whore. :D
 
I think I'll drop gaming and take up crack. It's cheaper and I won't keep getting charged during use after I've already bought it.
 
USMCGrunt said:
Oh boy the hackusations were flying on this server...and I was only in there for the last bit of the round....they had crappy anti-air and even crappier pilots....was laughing my ass off to the bank.

http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/battlereport/show/56355690/1/231309390/

Im gonna have to start recording my rounds and posting them on youtube to shut some of the whiners up...
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Hey, why are you using a foregrip on your Scar-L?? That's a no-no man. That thing has barely any horizontal deviation and you're just making that thing less of a beast.

Good round by the way.
 
What guns should you use the foregrip on? It seems like most guns have little horizontal recoil, yet I see people running it on M16s and AEKs all the time.
 
NickN said:
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Originally Posted by Liqq

That is a hardware or pebcak issue. I've not had any crashes or freezes in over 500 hours of play.

Ugh. Apparently it's a fairly widespread problem (Battlelog forums, other gaming forums, etc). It really ruins the fun of the game when you get a CTD every third round.
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It is usually serverside. One of my favourtes is based around Minnesota, and they have tried to restart because so many are having connection issues. Pings keep jumping up on it too, for everybody. I am now back into the practice of starting bf3, waiting for it to tell me game is ready to launch, then starting up ts3, etc. If I try this in any other order, I fail to connect to servers. I'm not the only one that has to do this. I think they may have rolled back a few updates, had to do the same thing six months back.


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Opinions on the best gun to use with a silencer? I enjoy lone-wolfing into enemy territory but need something with more firepower than the crossbow.
 
*** Official End Game Release Dates ***

New Battlefield blog post: Road to End Game: How to earn all 16 dog tags (and more) in our fifth expansion pack

[DICE] H Brun | 03.01.13

As we near the release date for Battlefield 3: End Game, we are happy to introduce all of the new pieces of persistence that goes with it. Here’s how to earn every new Assignment, medal, ribbon, dog tag, and Trophy/Achievement in the fifth and final expansion pack for Battlefield 3. Let us know what you think of these in the comments section below.

Here’s the full release schedule for Battlefield 3: End Game:
PS3 Premium members: March 5th
X360 and PC Premium members: March 12th
PS3 players: March 19th
X360 and PC players: March 26th


END GAME MEDALS

1. Capture the Flag Medal
Get the Capture the Flag Winner Ribbon 50 times

2. Air Superiority Medal
Get the Air Superiority Winner Ribbon 50 times

END GAME RIBBONS

1. Capture the Flag Ribbon
Play Capture the Flag once

2. Capture the Flag Winner Ribbon
Be on the winning team in Capture the Flag

3. Air Superiority Ribbon
Play Air Superiority once

4. Air Superiority Winner Ribbon
Be on the winning team in Air Superiority

END GAME ACHIEVEMENTS AND TROPHIES

1. It’s no Sidecar (Silver/30G)
Get a kill from the passenger position on a motorcycle

2. Heavy Lifter (Bronze/20G)
Kill an enemy after successfully paradropping an IFV

3. Capture the Flag (Bronze/20G)
Capture 1 flag while playing Capture the Flag

4. Transport Pilot (Silver/30G)
Transport a flag carrier in an air vehicle while playing Capture the Flag

5. AA’s Revenge (Bronze/20G)
Destroy an air vehicle using the AA jeeps (20G)

END GAME ASSIGNMENTS

1. Defender of the Earth
Destroy 5 air vehicles using the AA jeeps
Reward: Fly Swatter dog tag

2. Scar Spangled Banner
Return 5 flags in CTF
Capture 2 flags in CTF
Win 1 round of CTF
Reward: Standard Bearer dog tag

3: Fatal Drop
From an airdropped IFV, get the following kills
Enemy soldier
Enemy transport vehicle
Enemy IFV
Reward: Look up dog tag

4: Road Warrior
Requires the following Assignments to be completed:
Defender of the Earth and Scar Spangled Banner and Fatal Drop
Destroy 20 vehicles
Get a road kill with the dirt bike
Rewards: Road Warrior dog tag
Unlocks “All About Precision” Assignment

5: All About Precision
Requires the following Assignment to be completed:
Road Killing
Score 20 headshots with pistols
Rewards: S-TAC pistol and S-TAC Dog Tag

END GAME DOG TAGS

1. Pancakes
Earned if the player falls over 200 metres and dies from the impact
Displays the number of deaths on the dog tag

2. Motorcross
Do 50 jumps with the dirt bike
Get 10 kills while on the dirt bike
Displays number of kills from bike

3. Elite Flag Runner
Capture 50 flags in Capture the Flag game mode
Displays number of flag captures on it

4. Capture the Flag Medal Dog Tag
Get the Capture the Flag Winner Ribbon 50 times

5. Air Superiority Medal Dog Tag
Get the Air Superiority Winner Ribbon 50 times

6. Capture The Flag Winner Ribbon Dog Tag
Win Capture the Flag 10 times

7. Air Superiority Winner Ribbon Dog Tag
Win Air Superiority 10 times

8. Capture the Flag Ribbon Dog Tag
Play Capture the Flag 10 times

9. Air Superiority Ribbon Dog Tag
Play Air Superiority 10 times

10. M1911 S-TAC Dog Tag
Obtain M1911 S-TAC service star 1

11. M1911 S-TAC Master Dog Tag
Obtain M1911 S-TAC service star 5

12. True Primary Weapon Master
Get 100 kills with each primary weapon class

13. True Handgun Master
Get 100 kills with handguns
Shows handgun kills

14. True Combat Efficiency
Obtain the Combat Efficiency Medal
Shows highest kill streak

15. Bomb Squad
Obtain 50 Anti Explosive Ribbons
Shows Anti Explosive Ribbons

16. Squad Wiper
Obtain 50 Squad Wipe Ribbons
Shows # of squad wipes

END GAME PREMIUM ASSIGNMENTS

1. SCAR-L Specialist
Get 100 Kills with the SCAR-L
Capture the flag 3 times in Capture the Flag
Camos unlocked:
SCAR-L Desert Stripe Camo
SCAR-L Digital Woodland Camo

2. G53 Specialist
Get 50 kills with the G53
Destroy 20 vehicles as Engineer
Camos unlocked:
G53 Navy Blue Digital Camo
G53 Woodland Stripe Camo

3. M39 Specialist
Get 50 kills with the M39
Kill 10 enemy flag carriers in Capture the Flag
Camos unlocked:
M39 EMR Tactical Camo
M39 EMR Woodland Oak Camo

4. QBB-95 Specialist
Get 100 kills with the QBB-95
Get 50 ammo resupplies as Support
Camos unlocked:
QBB-95 Airman Camo
QBB-95 Berkut Camo

5. MK3A1 Specialist
Get 20 kills with the MK3A1 as Assault
Get 20 kills with the MK3A1 as Engineer
Get 20 kills with the MK3A1 as Recon
Get 20 kills with the MK3A1 as Support
Camos unlocked:
MK3A1 Airman Camo
MK3A1 Woodland Oak Camo
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VG 247.com - Battlefield 3 End Game: DICE video discusses modes, maps & Dropship. End Game is detailed by lead designer Niklas Fegraeus in an EA interview trailer.
 
I haven't played in a month or so. Been trying to play last night, and this morning, all servers keep kicking me for no Punkbuster ?

I haven't changed a thing since the last tiem I played, why is it giving me Punkbuster issues ? And the server page lost all my setting since January, and my friends list too is not saved.
 
I got kicked from a game earlier because of PB. But I updated it, it was fine. I then was on a scavenger server that went to Gun Master at Ziba Tower, and was OWNING (21-2 or something like that), then I got banned for supposed "Enforcing previous ban". Ummm... what? I was dominating the shit out of them and I got banned . And today was my first day playing in like 2 months.
 
I am curious to know what server it was so I could avoid it in the future. I hate power hungry admins that kick/ban when they are getting owned.
 
TwistedAegis said:
M416 is easy mode. I stop using it most of the time because it seems like no contest.
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I don't use anything that makes the game easier.
Shotguns, flashlights, red dots, smoke, bow, silencer, rpg, MASS etc.

I roll with a foregrip and heavy barrel only.
All that other stuff is just a crutch, slows you down, or gives away your location. Don't need it.
 
The hacks were out in full force again last night. Managed to catch one in the act.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dJImuWWbE4&list=UUqkdyaikJbemXWPDjbT6goA&index=2
he kills 3 or 4 people from there, including me.

The game was just recently on sale for $10 right? Probably a good sign. Those sales bring out the noobs and cheaters.

The cheating is more prevelant than anyone really realizes. Look at the guy on kill cam in the video. Look how his gun twitches. Thats your tell tale right there. I see this so often in game. You all know it.... You've all been shot by that engineer weapon with 4 straight dead accuracy bullets as you're running perpendicular 150m away, only to watch the guys gun on kill cam snap to various things randomly.

Just pay attention to kill cam a little more often, youll see it.
 
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