Windows 8 Sales Hit 60M Since Launch

PornoSatan said:
Is there any way to permanently remove metro? I don't mean disable it or do something hacky like dump yourself to the desktop after it has already loaded. Is there a way to simply remove it completely or atleast disable it?
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I've only accidentally opened it a few times and I use Start8. However I just tap the win key to drop back to the desktop. If you're already on 8, Start8 can be trialed for free to see if its your cup of tea.
 
Ur_Mom said:
Monopoly? Hardly. OSX, Linux, BSD are very viable and usable operating systems.
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Linux/UNIX/BSD are certainly viable and usable PC operating systems, but I'm mot talking about viability or usability. The word "monopoly" has nothing to do with either. In addition, OS X is not a PC operating system.

Eman D. Rahym said:
So if Windows 8 sells poorly it's a "failure" but if it sells well it's only because Microsoft is a monopoly? :confused:
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That isn't what I said. I said the sales figures are unsurprising given Microsoft's position in the market. Take absolutely no more from what I wrote than what was there.
 
Tudz said:
It's a monopoly until developers (...developers developers developers) actually start developing for other platforms which gives the end user choice. Sure, IF you can persuade developers, it's not a monopoly, if you can't, then it remains a monopoly.
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Even Microsoft is developing for other platforms (Office, games, Xbox Glass, OneNote, etc..). Developers are creating apps for the majority. There are alternative apps for the main ones, but they just aren't the same as the main ones (although some are superior, they just don't have the brand name). It's all up to the user. There is a lot of choice, there. I don't see it as a monopoly.
 
wonderfield said:
In addition, OS X is not a PC operating system.
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I'll save that debate for a different thread (Mac's aren't PC's? Personal Computer? They used to be...). What are Mac's, then? PC isn't a brand, it's a ... personal computer. A Mac is a computer for personal use, otherwise known as Personal Computer or PC. Don't drink the "I'm a PC and I'm a Mac" Kool-aid. You're better than that.
 
Eman D. Rahym said:
Aren't you the one that posted the link that showed people choosing Windows 7 over Windows 8? If that's not a choice, what is?
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I said OEMs, don't let you choose. OEMs being (Dell, HP, Asus, Acer etc...).

The image was a small builder shop, that did allow choice (80% chose Win7), they are not an OEM.

OEMs sell most PC, so most buyers can't chose their OS.
 
Ur_Mom said:
I'll save that debate for a different thread (Mac's aren't PC's? Personal Computer? They used to be...). What are Mac's, then? PC isn't a brand, it's a ... personal computer. A Mac is a computer for personal use, otherwise known as Personal Computer or PC. Don't drink the "I'm a PC and I'm a Mac" Kool-aid. You're better than that.
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He said OS X is not a PC OS. If I can buy OS X to install on my PC, I would certainly like to know where I can do that legally.
 
Ur_Mom said:
Even Microsoft is developing for other platforms (Office, games, Xbox Glass, OneNote, etc..). Developers are creating apps for the majority. There are alternative apps for the main ones, but they just aren't the same as the main ones (although some are superior, they just don't have the brand name). It's all up to the user. There is a lot of choice, there. I don't see it as a monopoly.
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My experience with Linux vs Windows is I always need to go back to Windows for one thing or another that doesn't run in Linux, has a poor alternative in Linux or has no alternative in Linux. I see it as a monopoly.
 
Fooshnik said:
It's a POS on my HTPC. It starts in Metro, then if you launch XBMC it drops to desktop, when you exit XBMC it doesn't return to metro, it leaves you at the desktop, so if you launch Netflix after you exit XBMC you get the browser app which is different from the Metro app you get if you launch it from when you first turn on the PC. Explaining this and other nuttiness elicits the "why did you replace our Bluray player?" look. I ended up making custom shortcuts on my logitech remote which is inane.
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If you're on the desktop why would "go back" to Metro? You could simply not use the Netflix Metro app and put a link a browser link on the Start Screen if that's a point on confusion, I guess since there's never been a dedicated Netflix app for Windows that could be confusing.
 
Tudz said:
My experience with Linux vs Windows is I always need to go back to Windows for one thing or another that doesn't run in Linux, has a poor alternative in Linux or has no alternative in Linux. I see it as a monopoly.
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Technically Windows on the desktop is a monopoly but I don't think it's Microsoft's responsibility to get 3rd parties to develop for non-Windows platforms. If 3rd parties think that's what's in their interests that's what they'll do.
 
Steve said:
that means Microsoft has sold an average of six million Windows 8 licenses per week since October? That sure is a lot of licenses for being a "flop."
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Most companies can only dream that thier products would be as popular as Microsoft's flops.

That being said, my comapny will be sticking to Windows 7, and my home systems will as well.
 
How many are oem that are getting downgraded to windows 7. Thats how we have get them for work. But I am sure that Microsoft is counting them as windows 8 sales.
 
Love Windows 8 for the most part. Able to use 16gb of RAM without issue, same board had issues with it in Windows 7, why, have no ideal. PC would run but random programs would crash in 7 with 16gb installed. Thanks to the person that mentioned Start8, love the app. Going to purchase it soon. I do like the Windows 8 tile screen but I wish they would have still have had a normal menu in the OS. Although since I've had no menu for so long, I've learned a heck of a lot of Windows Shortcut keys.
 
All this hating it stupid.

Lets think rationally for a minute. MS is not making numbers up, if an exec spews out a bad number that is total bullshit and people trade stocks based on it, they can be looking at a class action law suit.

Now that does not tell us exactly what these numbers mean and we need to wait until that point to draw many conclusions.

But people making stupid statements like OEM copies should not be counted are just plain morons, as well as all the claims about people not having a choice, so what when did most people have a choice for an OS on any platform? Do apple buyers get to tell apple they want the original iOS on their iPhone 5?

What matters is , comparing the exact same numbers for an exact same length of time from release directly to Vista and windows 7, if numbers are worse than vista then all of you trolls can rejoice, if they are better than windows 7 then heatless can troll back, if they are somewhere in the middle then we can discuss the finer details.

But stop ranting about choice, or consumers not knowing what they are getting, the fact is the entire history of computing is pretty much 99% no choice for the mass ignorant consumers and that has no bearing at all on this discussion.

The only hints we get are that windows 7 and windows 8 might be selling at similar rates but no one is sure one how the exact break down of the numbers.
 
Ur_Mom said:
Don't drink the "I'm a PC and I'm a Mac" Kool-aid. You're better than that.
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It has nothing to do with that. The term "PC", in modern parlance, and for the purposes of this discussion, generally refers to any traditional non-Apple personal computer of a desktop or notebook variety.

Regardless of whatever semantic misdirections you intend to throw into the discussion, Microsoft has a stranglehold on that market. The fact that they're selling a new version of a product in large quantity to a market in which they have the aforementioned stranglehold should simply not come as a surprise to anyone. No trends are being bucked here.
 
I use windows 8 like I used windows 7. All I did after install was install Skip Metro suite, and then added the start button with an app and that's it. Now it looks and functions like windows 7, but with more stability, and a lot faster. I def like how I automatically log on to my account on any computer in the house with win 8 and have the same desktop pictures and all my favorites saved in explorer. Also didn't have to install hardly any drivers either.
 
Also it was announced yesterday that they have now hit 100 million app downloads, so now if we do the maths 100 million apps divided by 60 million copies = 1.66 so on average each user of windows 8 only downloads less then two apps from the windows store. So it is obvious that these numbers include a large amount of copies that are not being used.
 
s0eViL said:
Also it was announced yesterday that they have now hit 100 million app downloads, so now if we do the maths 100 million apps divided by 60 million copies = 1.66 so on average each user of windows 8 only downloads less then two apps from the windows store. So it is obvious that these numbers include a large amount of copies that are not being used.
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Or it shows the miserable failure the MS store is.
 
s0eViL said:
Also it was announced yesterday that they have now hit 100 million app downloads, so now if we do the maths 100 million apps divided by 60 million copies = 1.66 so on average each user of windows 8 only downloads less then two apps from the windows store. So it is obvious that these numbers include a large amount of copies that are not being used.
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Like Wrench said, some people refuse to use the app store. I havent used it yet and have no intentions on doing so.
No matter if they are being used or not, it's still counted as a sale for MS. The way they figure things is no different than it was for Windows 7, Vista, etc... They never said how many are actually using Windows 8, just how many sales they have made ;).
It's funny how when figures come out showing peoples favorite OS selling good people are all, hell yea, like a boss and shit. But when the same way of reporting sales shows an OS that they don't like selling decent then it's, BS, they are lying, fake and shit. People and their double standards and shit.
 
03grandam said:
It's funny how when figures come out showing peoples favorite OS selling good people are all, hell yea, like a boss and shit. But when the same way of reporting sales shows an OS that they don't like selling decent then it's, BS, they are lying, fake and shit. People and their double standards and shit.
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It's natural when a product you like sells well to not question it because you can accept that it's performing well, it's natural when a product you don't like sells well to question why it's selling well. If there's widespread liking of a product, there's no one to look in to it and see the dodginess, it just shows a lot of people don't like W8 compared to W7 so there's more people to question how MS deliver their numbers.

If these are simply OEM copies and not copies actually being used or potentially not even sold to the end user yet, and then add to that MS has a monopoly and add to that the very cheap upgrades, then the numbers aren't a realistic measure of the quality/failure/success/popularity of an OS... regardless of whether it's W7 that people liked or Vista/W8 that people dislike, that's still the case. The difference is that because people do dislike Vista/W8, there's more people to complain about it because the numbers don't align with percieved quality/popularity.
 
Eman D. Rahym said:
Microsoft has always reported sales of Windows in this manner. This allows Microsoft and us to compare various versions of Windows to one another. Microsoft said that Windows 8 sales are roughly in line with those of Windows 7. If Microsoft is lying about this then they are leaving themselves open to potential criminal charges and lawsuits from investors, so I'm sure they've got the internal numbers to back up this claim.
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LMAO. How's that koolaid taste? Microsoft can't have their feet held to any fire because the definition of "sales" is left intentionally vague and leaves room for them to maneuver. So its not that they're lying per se' - they're just including all the channel stuffing and god knows what other metrics that shouldnt really be counted - example enterprise agreements - I'm talking the 250k annual one for large corps that pay a flat fee and get everything - corporations that will not touch Win8 but MS happily acts like those licenses matter because they were technically "sold" though they were not requested but instead happened automatically but nevermind and that's supposed to be meaningful because MS then implies they're in-use copies.

The constant need for them to announce these big round numbers is what is disconcerting because it stinks of desperation like the band that kept playing on the Titanic as it was going down. They're trying to create their own Reality Distortion Field ala Apple to counteract all the bad press about Metro.

This is classic hail Mary, "fake it till you make it" noise. God bless em for trying but Surface and WinPhone8 are in the toilet and that's where this creative accounting isn't going to allow them to stretch the truth thin to fit their marketing agenda. Since there are other parties involved in calculating and confirming more accurate sales figures more in line with the actual " situation on the ground".
 
The figures are deceptive. What they don't tell you is that now if a corporate wants a W7 license, they have to buy a W8 license.
 
hdgamer said:
I use windows 8 like I used windows 7. All I did after install was install Skip Metro suite, and then added the start button with an app and that's it. Now it looks and functions like windows 7, but with more stability, and a lot faster.
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It's not faster, and installing apps to "fix" it means it's broken.

heatlesssun said:
If you're on the desktop why would "go back" to Metro?
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Exactly, which begs the question: Why is Metro there?
 
I'm so sick of hearing about Windows 8. I think this early it doesn't really mean a damn thing. I'd be more interested in hearing about it after 6 months, or even 12. There is so much BS one way or another right now it's hard to really know what's going on.
 
wtburnette said:
I'm so sick of hearing about Windows 8. I think this early it doesn't really mean a damn thing. I'd be more interested in hearing about it after 6 months, or even 12. There is so much BS one way or another right now it's hard to really know what's going on.
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What's going on is its polarizing and dividing even loyal and longtime Windows users at a time that Microsoft cannot afford to be. That's what's going on.
 
It doesn't matter if it's $40, $15, or $5.

I was going to buy it, but with no real reason to, I decided not to. Why spend the money if I'm not going to use it?

I don't care for Metro, but that's kind of besides the point - it's a minor issue overall. I just have no reason to get it when I have an OS that works.
 
I call BS on this 60M figure. I heard that Win8 retail copies are not selling, and Win8 based computer sales are well down on Win7 based machines.
 
Stimpy88 said:
I call BS on this 60M figure. I heard that Win8 retail copies are not selling, and Win8 based computer sales are well down on Win7 based machines.
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It depends on who you ask and what store you are in. If you are in a Apple store, Windows 8 retail copies are not selling (they don't sell them). I've seen retail copies run out multiple times though since it's release though and people having to wait for a copy. People slam the differences in interface on the new OS but they do that all the time. Older folks are usually the ones that slam the OS the most if it looks even a tiny bit different than the last OS release. I haven't seen PC sales rates change much but I swear Windows 8 is selling better than Windows 7 did, software wise. PC Sales are about even though. I simply like 8 more so far due to the fact it likes my hardware better than 7 did, namely the amount of RAM I'm using.
 
PornoSatan said:
In other words people are buying prebuilt systems as they would anyways, but since Windows 8 is the new OEM OS they can make the claim that it's doing 'good'. :rolleyes:
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It's obviously doing fine... it's like people forgot Vista... if the consumers don't like the new OS on their OEM machine they pitch a fit. I don't see the masses demanding roll backs to 7 like they did with Vista and XP. OEM machines are selling just fine.

The ones that dint like it are us. Enthusiasts hate it. Metro is an abomination that has no place on my PC. But with a start replacement it's rock solid and blazing fast. My machine boots quicker than some wake from sleep.

Metro is fantastic for average users. It gives them that comfortable tablet feel on their PC. I have yet to meet an average user that don't love metro. With tablets aiming at replacing the PC for average users metro actually keeps the PC relevant.
 
If it weren't for Start8, it would probably be half that, with most being OEM sales.

Which most of them probably are anyway.
 
heatlesssun said:
And we'll know just where Windows 8 sales stand when Microsoft releases numbers on the 24th I believe.
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So NPD reports sales are down and you dismiss it. Apparently they don't know what the fuck they're doing.

Big online retailers report sales are down (NewEgg, for one) and you dismiss it. They secretly hate Microsoft.

OEMs report sales are down and you dismiss it. Whatever, because MS doesn't need its OEMs anyway.

These apparently aren't good indicators of how many PCs are sold but rather Microsoft is because they don't sell PCs. :confused:

Remember when I called you a paid Microsoft employee? For your sake I hope that that level of fanaticism should only be explained with a paycheck. Because if you aren't making any money out of this and truly *love* a billion dollar corporation just that much, then you probably need a reboot.
 
rudy said:
All this hating it stupid.

Lets think rationally for a minute. MS is not making numbers up, if an exec spews out a bad number that is total bullshit and people trade stocks based on it, they can be looking at a class action law suit.

Now that does not tell us exactly what these numbers mean and we need to wait until that point to draw many conclusions.

But people making stupid statements like OEM copies should not be counted are just plain morons, as well as all the claims about people not having a choice, so what when did most people have a choice for an OS on any platform? Do apple buyers get to tell apple they want the original iOS on their iPhone 5?

What matters is , comparing the exact same numbers for an exact same length of time from release directly to Vista and windows 7, if numbers are worse than vista then all of you trolls can rejoice, if they are better than windows 7 then heatless can troll back, if they are somewhere in the middle then we can discuss the finer details.

But stop ranting about choice, or consumers not knowing what they are getting, the fact is the entire history of computing is pretty much 99% no choice for the mass ignorant consumers and that has no bearing at all on this discussion.

The only hints we get are that windows 7 and windows 8 might be selling at similar rates but no one is sure one how the exact break down of the numbers.
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But if I were to buy 20 million windows license and really cheap because a sale is a sale would that still not be fraudulent?

The thing is that people put to much weight behind certain ways media gets influenced by these weird numbers.

Were there sales , prolly yes, are there 60 million computers on this planet with Windows 8 , HELL NO!
 
Im not sure why everyone is debating the numbers right now? I have heard a number of people say that Windows in 8 fine it just takes a while to get used to. Besides that Microsoft is reporting exactly what numbers they get from sales otherwise they could get in serious trouble. The sell licensed copies of Win8 and get paid. Look at all of the Win8 laptops and new computers that are being built. They sold that many and that is that, doesn't matter what happens from there. I don't know about everyone else but i have noticed there are a ton of new laptop designs that come with Win8. If you don't like win8 you don't have to buy one and i know a ton of people here build their own computers so continue to buy the OEM win7 licenses and be done with it. Pretty simple if you ask me. In addition im not sure why people are all upset that a company is selling something they made and it truely is selling.....i for one am happy to see that they are selling this so well it means that it may actually be worth buying.
 
I'm still not touching it.

With Vista, the debates were much more "inside-baseball" (griping about UAC, signed drivers and the "anti-virus lockout")--so the average user didn't care much even if the tech "journalists" fussed as much about those as they are about Win8.

Now, with the fight spilling into offices and homes everywhere (because Grandma and Uncle Ned can't figure out how to use Win8 on a desktop sans touch), I have a feeling MS knows they may have stepped in something stinky.

It's convenient for MS that they're supposedly shifting to an Apple-like release schedule with Windows Blue. How convenient remains to be seen.

Example: If Microsoft adjusts desktop Metro in any way (mainly by reducing its prominence), returns the Start menu, or addresses any UI gripes by rolling "back" to the Windows 7 model, it's pretty clear they're trying to "CTRL-Z."

However, if nothing is changed in terms of these UI complaints with Windows Blue, then we know they're doubling down and only copying Apple's release schedule, not using it as cover to hide some quick changes.
 
I'm thinking of upgrading my winxp machine to win8.... it's only 40 bucks... can I upgrade to win7 for less?
 
Win 8 is growing on me.

However, I keep trying to touch my screen to do stuff.

Looks like I am in the market for a touch screen laptop now.
 
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