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LG Flatron W2420R versus HP DreamColor LP2480zx versus Eizo ColorEdge CG243W

tunafish24 said:
@neville12: Where did you get W2420R from?
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I didn't get it yet, most of the online stores with a relatively affordable price (around 1300€) won't ship to my country. I only found one place that charge full RRP + shipping and all in all, it is not too far off from the asking price of the Quato and HP, so yeah...
 
neville12 said:
I didn't get it yet, most of the online stores with a relatively affordable price (around 1300€) won't ship to my country. I only found one place that charge full RRP + shipping and all in all, it is not too far off from the asking price of the Quato and HP, so yeah...
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which place/website is it?
 
I found information on the W2420R:

Review here: www.amazon.de/dp/B002SJ61EK/

Light and shadow, 27 November 2010
of
Varta (Germany) - See all my reviews
This review is from: LG W2420R-BN 61 cm (24 in.) Widescreen LCD Monitor DVI / VGA / HDMI (1000:1 contrast ratio, 6ms response time), black (optional)
Had this screen 1 week and give him now (reluctantly) back.

Pros:
- Super Color Space with 100% Adobe RGB color space is probably the longest that can be had for that price.
- Excellent brightness distribution
- SRGB color space emulation, Adobe RGB and Custom.
- Hardwarekalibrierbar with high resolution, no stairs as calibration curve via graphics card LUT
- Included Software supports hardware calibration for X-Rite i1 per
- Good support for video signals (24p, deinterlacing)
- inaudible

Cons:
- Red color cast to the left and right margins. Color temperature difference to the center about 1000 degrees Kelvin. I would have taken all the other disadvantages, but it's not.
- Spyder3 sensor calibration provides only "values ​​Moon", is apparently unable to cope with the wide gamut of RGB backlights. Completely unusable.
- Attached software for hardware calibration does not work with Windows 7 (even in XP mode)
- Using the OSD via sensor keys puzzle, even if only to times the brightness can be changed.
- No display port


Information: http://forums.creativecow.net/thread/277/16290

LG decided to discontinue this monitor and it's nearly impossible to get a hand on a flawless unit or prepare yourself for a long and difficult quest. I can't say about the Planar PX2491W. While being the exact same display maybe Planar addressed the 2420 issues by means of a proprietary firmware which I very much doubt tho. Otherwise once calibrated and provided that you can live with a pink hue shift on lower corners and you disable optimus on your quadro (resolve won't like it but the 2420R will ask for it) this is one of the best monitors I've been working with. I know how weird it may sound but the 2420R is a very paradoxical display indeed. Surprizingly enough I can achieve an almost perfect calibration with an i1 display2 and unmodified matrices, easily on par with what I get on my Eizo 243w! It works for me and it will probably work for you too if you really want a 2420R but you might be inspired to look into a different direction. LG should stick with only making the hardware! Hope it helps. Cheers.
 
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From what people are saying, the W2024R has alot of downsides, such as this:

lg-w2420r-polarisator.jpg


But overall it is a great display.
 
The only reason I like it is because of the A-TW filter...after looking at price and issues...I guess I'll just give Samsung S24A850DW a try.
 
neville12 said:
LG Flatron W2420R (S-IPS w/ A-TW Polarizer, true 10-bit 1 billion color, 25ms input lag average, 1000:1, 250 cd/m², 1920x1200, 60Hz, RGB-LED Backlight)

HP DreamColor LP2480zx (H-IPS w/ A-TW Polarizer, true 10-bit 1 billion color, 24ms input lag average, 1000:1, 250 cd/m², 1920x1200, 60Hz, RGB-LED Backlight)

Eizo ColorEdge CG243W (H-IPS, true 10-bit 1 billion color, 16ms input lag average, 850:1, 270 cd/m², 1920x1200, 60Hz, CCFL Backlight)

Which one of these three is the superior display?
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Specs are worthless. CG and RGB-LED tech isn't worth the cost for multimedia. Buy a FORIS or an LFD.
 
~3000 $ is a little steep...
for that price it's much better to look for Quato which have better software, lower input lag and probably better quality control :rolleyes:

neville12 said:
From what people are saying, the W2024R has alot of downsides, such as this:

lg-w2420r-polarisator.jpg


But overall it is a great display.
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I just checked and it looks exactly like this => so much better than normal ips glow :cool:

for good occasional price it is great for games and movies but for full price... overkill imho...
 
Out of those three displays, disregarding price, I'd recommend the HP DreamColor. I wouldn't even discuss the LG in the same conversation, since it's not easily available to purchase.

That being said. I feel the NEC PA241W provides 90% of the quality at a much lower price.

If you can somehow find one, I'd search for an NEC 2490WUXi (first generation).
 
powruser said:
If you can somehow find one, I'd search for an NEC 2490WUXi (first generation).
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There is a guy selling used 2490WUXi on ebay, however, they are the ones with Touchscreen - so probably used commercially before. Do those have the same quality as non-touchscreen ones i.e. A-TW filter, etc? Worth buying those?
 
tunafish24 said:
There is a guy selling used 2490WUXi on ebay, however, they are the ones with Touchscreen - so probably used commercially before. Do those have the same quality as non-touchscreen ones i.e. A-TW filter, etc? Worth buying those?
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This guy?

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/24-Wide-Lcd-...r_Monitors&hash=item3cc4f71aec#ht_1453wt_1396

If so he has LCD2490WUXI based touch screens not WUXi2 ones, and the touch screen has zero effect on the A-TW polarizer except to make it a bit shiny.

@neville12: That photo showing the red to blue/green gradation is of unknown exposure. Trust me the off-angle glow on an A-TW polarizer is less than the glow on any other LCD technology. The only screen that ever came close was my dearly departed Dell 2709W with the S-PVA panel, but that had better black levels and off-angle looked the same, so that tells you something when a screen that has 0.11 cdm/2 black levels looks the same as a screen that has 0.22 black levels when viewed off-angle.
 
@10e: Yes, Those are the ones I was talking about. I think there are two sellers on ebay selling monitors with touchscreen and they also appear to have quite a few of those.

Actually, I was asking about anti-glare coating on the panel itself. My understanding is that this touchscreen is added afterwards and isn't part of manufacturing @ NEC's. So obviously the panel would already have some level of AG coating on it. Is there an additional AG coating on the touchscreen as well? Do they remove AG coating from base panel when they add touchscreen...since you've removed touchscreen, can you tell us about AG coating on the base panel?
 
tunafish24 said:
@10e: Yes, Those are the ones I was talking about. I think there are two sellers on ebay selling monitors with touchscreen and they also appear to have quite a few of those.

Actually, I was asking about anti-glare coating on the panel itself. My understanding is that this touchscreen is added afterwards and isn't part of manufacturing @ NEC's. So obviously the panel would already have some level of AG coating on it. Is there an additional AG coating on the touchscreen as well? Do they remove AG coating from base panel when they add touchscreen...since you've removed touchscreen, can you tell us about AG coating on the base panel?
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There is no additional grain from the touchscreen part outside of the anti-glare grain pre-existing on the panel.
 
10e said:
There is no additional grain from the touchscreen part outside of the anti-glare grain pre-existing on the panel.
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No AG coating on touschscreen...doesn't that make the touchscreen reflective? So it's ok to remove the touchscreen and not worry about lack of AG coating on the panel?

I got my S24a850DW yesterday, it's a nice monitor but backlight bleed and IPS (PLS) glow sucks! I'm really thinking about just going ahead with the 2490WUXi from ebay. Since the touchscreen has been protecting the panel underneath, the screen will be good as new. Once I have the cabinet open, I'll look into changing CCFLs as well. Other than dead pixels and scratches on screen, is there anything else I should look for/ask seller about?
 
tunafish24 said:
No AG coating on touschscreen...doesn't that make the touchscreen reflective? So it's ok to remove the touchscreen and not worry about lack of AG coating on the panel?

I got my S24a850DW yesterday, it's a nice monitor but backlight bleed and IPS (PLS) glow sucks! I'm really thinking about just going ahead with the 2490WUXi from ebay. Since the touchscreen has been protecting the panel underneath, the screen will be good as new. Once I have the cabinet open, I'll look into changing CCFLs as well. Other than dead pixels and scratches on screen, is there anything else I should look for/ask seller about?
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The touch screen itself is a glass insertion that sits on top of the panel. It adds some glare because it's clear, but does not add nor remove the anti-glare on the original panel. It is shiny but not as shiny as a glossy panel.
 
XoR said:
@neville12
as LG W2420R user I can recommend it for it's stellar quality.
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This is an LG monitor so how is it's anti-glare coating? Does it suffer from the problems mentioned in the two posts below:

Racer_J said:
It's more likely because they are geared toward "business"/general consumer usage that aren't usually aware of a defect beyond an obvious pixel issue. It wouldn't make sense to need to try and hide anything under a heavy anti-glare film. I'm no fan of LG at the moment after they started selling the abomination known as the CS560 but, it's far more likely that they keep using the heavy anti-glare coating because it has no problem selling.
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Namelessme said:
The thing I don't get is, if geared towards business, that typically would mean graphics professionals. Yet there are numerous reports of the grain (especially on the Dell 27"er) being so bad that users couldn't differentiate between image artifacts or grain from the AG coating.

So I would think their AG coating would harm sales somewhat, at least for certain business sub-groups.

I'd also think that some LG panels would be glossy, or semi-glossy, just to increase overall sales. If you have some panels of both types, you get additional customers who want a glossy display (and don't want to pay Apple prices).

And there is also the oddity that there have been plenty of matte displays for years and years with AG coating that isn't quite as obtrusive as what they use on their IPS panels. I don't get why they need to go overboard so much, when standard AG coating seems to work fine on every other display out there.
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