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LG Flatron W2420R versus HP DreamColor LP2480zx versus Eizo ColorEdge CG243W

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neville12

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LG Flatron W2420R (S-IPS w/ A-TW Polarizer, true 10-bit 1 billion color, 25ms input lag average, 1000:1, 250 cd/m², 1920x1200, 60Hz, RGB-LED Backlight)

HP DreamColor LP2480zx (H-IPS w/ A-TW Polarizer, true 10-bit 1 billion color, 24ms input lag average, 1000:1, 250 cd/m², 1920x1200, 60Hz, RGB-LED Backlight)

Eizo ColorEdge CG243W (H-IPS, true 10-bit 1 billion color, 16ms input lag average, 850:1, 270 cd/m², 1920x1200, 60Hz, CCFL Backlight)

Which one of these three is the superior display?
 
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For what? For graphics - Eizo, of course. Eizo fails to deliver good multimedia and gaming monitors - they all suck and aren't worth a dime. But they do produce the best monitors for professional graphics artists and the CG243W is top of the line... By the way, it goes way beyond 850:1 in contrast ratio. Mine did 1100-something:1. Using a colormunki "Photo" spectrphotometer for calibration.
 
Oh, forget the eizo then. It's good for movies, but for gaming it's a total failure. Pick the dreamcolor -)
 
neville12 said:
The Eizo is best for movies than the Dreamcolor?
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I have not used the Dreamcolor myself, but I very much doubt that it can be better than the Eizo for movies. I doubt that any monitor could display movies better than the CG241 or CG243 or CG245 at all, really -) That espcially concerns the HD content that makes use of the monitor's wide color gamut.
But bear in mind, that your gaming experience will be ruined by the Eizo monitor. For games, I think Dreamcolor is much much better.
 
I'm not saying dreamcolor isn't suited for movies - I'm saying that movies on the Eizo display look better. The dreamcolor is good for movies too.
I was never interested in the LG Flatron so I can't comment on that.
If I were to choose one of the three for games and movies - I'd choose the HP without a doubt.

It's hard to comment on the video, since it's been played on my current monitor and not on the dreamcolor -)
 
Murzilka said:
I'm not saying dreamcolor isn't suited for movies - I'm saying that movies on the Eizo display look better. The dreamcolor is good for movies too.
I was never interested in the LG Flatron so I can't comment on that.
If I were to choose one of the three for games and movies - I'd choose the HP without a doubt.
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I can get the W2420R for 2300 USD (it's become very rare).

The CG243W for 1900 USD

And the LP2480zx for 2640 USD

What do you think?

Also games aren't too important, if the Eizo performance for games so unbearable, I will just use another monitor just for games, I don't play too many games on PC anyways unless a game is only PC exclusive (like Diablo III for example).
 
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Well, if games are not that important then Eizo would be a better choice. Because in everything else, the cg243 is unbeatable imo. But buying it just for movies, is like buying a porsche 911 to transport potatoes...
Then, there is Nec PA241. Which is even cheaper.
 
@neville12
as LG W2420R user I can recommend it for it's stellar quality. Default presets are very good and it can calibrate to any gamut you like (though software is little buggy and on some computers you have to install different DDC/CI drivers to just work - that's why it's probably better to get HP that also include good calorimeter) and calibrate black/white point by backlight so without contrast loss and much more natural looking than you can get from WCG-CCFL EIZO.

viewing angles is without comparison http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/review/2010/review-lg-w2420r-part7.html#Viewing. It's just don't matter if you look directly or from side - black remain black :)

For movies and games I prefer CRT but when I do watch something or play game I don't want to puke like with most LCDs so I guess it's good :cool:

but seriously: if you have that high budget and want gaming/movies monitor then maybe it's better to go for Apple Cinema 27"? Or Samsung 27SA850? Those have much better coatings for what you want to do. 3H used on all monitors you mentioned is quite a bummer...

@Murzilka
if you never used A-TW RGB-LED monitor then why do you assume EIZO is the best? :confused:

CG243W can't be better because of:
- green frame flickering
- terrible ips glow
- fixed black and white point
- lower contrast ratio
- narrower gamut
 
XoR
I didn't use any a-tw monitors. Have you used the CG243?

- green frame flickering (what's that? green flickering? mine didn't flicker lol)
- terrible ips glow (uh, not really)
- fixed black and white point (what? the monitor is hardware calibrated. Including white and black points. You can have 300:1 contrast ratio or 1000:1 - you just select it from the colornavigator prior to calibration)
- lower contrast ratio (can you tell the difference between 850:1 and 1000:1? Anyway my cg went all up to 1200:1)
- narrower gamut (please elaborate. with links)
So far, it looks like you have no idea what you are talking about :) Please, correct me if I'm wrong.
 
friend of mine bought PA241W after seeing my LG and difference is in colors compared to NEC are mainly in that NEC seems to have "analogue warmth" and LG "transistor coldness". It just feels in your eyes (at least mine, friend didn't saw/felt that) that colors are more sharp and defined on RGB-LED and at the same time much less pleasurable when you oversaturate them (so I actually never use wide-gamut modes on it like I did on Dell)

from more technical points: green flickering was present but friend didn't saw it at all. I saw it fine :eek: Here's proof it's there http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hgLBjKqi-k There is also no reason why EIZO wouldn't suffer from it...

Viewing angles without comparsion. Here's idea what I mean:
nec-planar-earth.sm.jpg

and that is the only difference friend saw :rolleyes:

all in all I'm not saying EIZO is bad monitor, especially when it's cheaper than RGB-LED HP. It's just not DA BEST... if it had A-TW then maybe still not clear winner but it could at least pretend to be and I would actually lean more towards it as colors of WCG-CCFL (even considering it's flaws) are nicer looking...

ps. it should be obvious that RGB LED monitor would have wider gamut without further elaboration ;)
 
You are comparing nec to lg and on this basis you draw your conlusion on another monitor? On Eizo Coloredge? You still sound like you don't know what you are talking about. Sorry.
"Transistor coldness" is also known as the "bluish tint" of the led backlit screens. It is strange that you find it attractive.
While the A-TW pol. adds "greenish" tint to it. The reason why it's no longer used btw.
 
RGB-LED doesn't have any "blueish tint" because it's not W-LED. Image is just not over-warm/candy like on WCG-CCFLs. Image of Trinitron CRT is not that warm either if you wanna know and CRTs definitely don't have any blueish tint...

I can compare NEC and EIZO because both use identical panel and I'm talking here only about panel specifics and not monitor specifics.

and the reason why A-TW is not used is because it was expensive to make. Just ask anyone who have one of these if he/she is not happy with it and would remove this A-TW to reduce gree/pink tint... :rolleyes:
 
As a proud owned of the Sony KDL46X4500 I can attest to the complete superiority of the FULL RGB Tri-Color LED over the WCG-CCFL or anything CCFL related really for that matter.

Also XoR I looked at the comparison pics at the prad review site and it seems that compared to the Quato and the HP, the LG has motion blur and darker colors, at least this is what it looks like on these pictures, from top to bottom Quato, LG and HP:

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lg-w2420r-deinterlace_video.jpg
hp-lp2480zx-videomode.jpg


Could you comment on these comparison results, please?
 
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So, by your logic the Eizo doesn't have the atw pol. because it would make the monitor too expensive? In order to appeal to mass consumer I suppose...
Really, you can't compare nec and eizo since they use very different electronics. Or are you saying that the Eizo CG243 has green flickering? Also the quality control is very different of those panels that go into necs and those going into eizos... Especially in CG series. Those things are so obviuos, I don't know...
You didn't even know that the cg can be hardware calibrated several posts ago, from the other hand.

And yes, the Eizo is DA best for professional color-photo work. Movies look absolutely amazing on it too. I cant imagine in what way a movie image displayed by the cg243 can possibly be improved or be better looking. This is the top quality really. If you think that your LG display is somehow better- well good for you. I don't have the LG monitor and I can't really prove that it sucks. But I feel it. My intuition says that it sucks. But I don't have it, so...
 
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@Murzilka
I meant fixed black and white point of backlight (but I forgot to add "backlight" word :p ) which makes that all black/white point calibration have to be done with contrast reduction. RGB type backlights can do that without contrast reduction.

those NEC and EIZO monitors differs in brand and quality control. Panel is the same (and basically U2410 have this panel too!) As for electronics its fpga chip so all comes down to firmware. Also quality control is probably tighter in EIZO. But all in all I think NEC is better value for money...

@neville12
I only have LG model :rolleyes:
Those shots are from different frame and are bad way to measure response time because we know nothing about camera movement...

panels are identical and where those monitors can differ is RTC impulse strength. In LG it's rather weak with almost no artifacts and cannot be enhanced by service menu...

As for colors it's hard to say. LG have default gamma at 2.27 so slightly higher than 2.20 which might be the cause of darker colors.
 
XoR said:
@Murzilka
I meant fixed black and white point of backlight (but I forgot to add "backlight" word :p ) which makes that all black/white point calibration have to be done with contrast reduction. RGB type backlights can do that without contrast reduction.

those NEC and EIZO monitors differs in brand and quality control. Panel is the same (and basically U2410 have this panel too!) As for electronics its fpga chip so all comes down to firmware. Also quality control is probably tighter in EIZO. But all in all I think NEC is better value for money...
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TN is even better value for money...
You cant compare those monitors. They are different leages:rolleyes:
And there is no reduction in contrast when you set different targets for calibration. The black/white point calibration doesn't have to be done with contrast reduction. When you set calibrational target in the colornavigator - the monitor simply adjusts to it. You manually set the color gamut, color temp and contrast (white and black points) and gamma level... There is no reduction in rgb level or contrast.
 
XoR said:
@neville12
I only have LG model :rolleyes:
Those shots are from different frame and are bad way to measure response time because we know nothing about camera movement...

panels are identical and where those monitors can differ is RTC impulse strength. In LG it's rather weak with almost no artifacts and cannot be enhanced by service menu...

As for colors it's hard to say. LG have default gamma at 2.27 so slightly higher than 2.20 which might be the cause of darker colors.
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On the racing pictures comparison the HP picture is the clearest out of the three but it isn't sharp and there is alot of what looks like aliasing, while on the LG there is zero aliasing but it is blurry, even the LG picture of the flag has what looks like the kind of motion blur 'smearing filter" applied to avoid aliasing in games. The Quato pictures are between the two, it isn't blurry as much as it is on the LG but it isn't as clear as it is on the HP, downside is that it looks like there is alot of what seems to be coloration artifacts (thousands of tiny red, green and turquoise dots on the screenshots) or that there is alot of oversaturation of colors that are not present on neither the LG nor the HP (or at least, not so obvious), making it seems to be the grainest out of the three.

Different frames same results:

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@Murzilka
if you feel better with thinking EIZO is somehow better than everything better just because it's EIZO then why would waste my time just to prove you wrong, especially it's probably not possible because people will always think their hardware is the best :)

@neville12
LG W2420R is slower than eg. U2410 and PA241W that both have faster panel but if it's slower than HP or Quato: I just don't know...

Quato seems best for games both from those shots and from input lag tests. Too bad it's most expensive...
 
XoR said:
@neville12
LG W2420R is slower than eg. U2410 and PA241W that both have faster panel but if it's slower than HP or Quato: I just don't know...

Quato seems best for games both from those shots and from input lag tests. Too bad it's most expensive...
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The average input lag as measured by Prad is 13,6ms for the Quato, 24ms for the HP and 25ms for the LG.

Games are a concern but they are not the main concern, I'd prefer a monitor that does good to great in every field, be it movies or video games.

I feel the same way as this guy actually:

Wage said:
The single most important thing to me is visual quality and accuracy while watching movies. Very closely, I put response time as second-most-important (I love action movies and absolutely HATE ghosting), with input lag being third only because I occasionally play games.
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Visual quality and performance output accuracy is important for both games and movies.

The Quato is not more expensive than the DreamColor, LG 1700€ and HP/Quato 2000€.
 
Also I wanted to add, the HP has all the connectivity, and the LG has HDMI and DVI, while the Quato lacks HDMI and only has DVI and DisplayPort, my computer has one HDMI entry, but I have no idea if my computer has DisplayPort connectivity or not.
 
Btw, when I said that the Eizo isn't suited for games I meant the colors and how the games look.
The response is superb on the Eizo CG243, and I couldn't notice any ghosting, or at least no significant ghosting. It pretty much felt like 120hz TN panel in response times.
The problem with colors is that they are not vivid at all. And they are very dull. They don't "pop", so to say.
I wrote this problem to eizo support, and they replied saying that they deliberately kill the saturation of the colors, because it is required when working with graphics and photo editing and such. To destinguish the gradients better, I guess...
^Some additional info for neville12...
 
Murzilka said:
I wrote this problem to eizo support, and they replied saying that they deliberately kill the saturation of the colors, because it is required when working with graphics and photo editing and such. To destinguish the gradients better, I guess...
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It is true, you can't have it both ways, it is hard to find a "middle ground" monitor.
 
neville12 said:
It is true, you can't have it both ways, it is hard to find a "middle ground" monitor.
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Absolutely. I even suggested them to add an option to the coloronavigator to calibrate the CG monitor so that it displays more vivid colors, making it more multimedia oriented. It is obviously possible to accomplish. They said they would pass my suggestion to their backoffice, engeneering department or something:) That would've ended their foris line, of course.
 
@Murzilka
you don't want to use "sRGB" gamma for games. It's better to use something like 2.3 or 2.4. Also you can use wider gamut mode like AdobeRGB or just use so called "six axis control" mode (it's there for sure, maybe name is different) where you can control saturation of each individual color and which should give you more "pop" than your eyes could handle :)

that's why wide gamut monitors are good for games :cool:
 
XoR
I can't since I already sold the monitor. I'm now gambling the 27" hazro the WC model. The first monitor is getting returned as we speak and I'm waiting for the refund to order another one. The unit had 2 dead pixels...

And yeah, wide gamut monitors are NOT good for games of course. That's a very different color "pop".
The six axis control you mentioned means the 6 complementary colors control. I'm not sure if it's available in sRGB mode or calibration mode anyway, and those are two modes that you want to use for gaming...

I made a mistake by going the professional graphics monitor route for gaming use, and now I am sharing the experience. What I'v learned is that for multimedia use - you need a multimedia monitor. As simple as that.
 
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hehe, so it's coating after all :rolleyes:

and wide gamut are good for some games. Most are better on CRTs anyway :)
 
Murzilka said:
XoR
I can't since I already sold the monitor.
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The CG Eizo?


Murzilka said:
I'm now gambling the 27" hazro the WC model. The first monitor is getting returned as we speak and I'm waiting for the refund to order another one. The unit had 2 dead pixels..
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Good luck with that, I have heard many complaints about Hazro quality control (or lack of therefore). I was thinking of getting one myself since it is one of the rare makers (if not only) who offer 27" screen size with 16:9 AND qhd (2560 x 1440), plus it is cheap. But they uses W-LED (bluening of the screen with time, among other things.) and those displays have alot of issues, defects and hardware problems.

Did you get the glass version or non-glass version? What is the diffeence between the two?
 
neville12 said:
The CG Eizo?
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That's right. -) I'm no graphics designer. I needed a monitor for games, internet browsing and maybe movies, when Im too lazy to move.:cool:

neville12 said:
Good luck with that, I have heard many complaints about Hazro quality control (or lack of therefore). I was thinking of getting one myself since it is one of the rare makers (if not only) who offer 27" screen size with 16:9 AND qhd (2560 x 1440), plus it is cheap. But they uses W-LED (bluening of the screen with time, among other things.) and those displays have alot of issues, defects and hardware problems.

Did you get the glass version or non-glass version? What is the diffeence between the two?
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The non-glass. The glass version in no longer available. They might have issues, as Ive already run into one - the 2 dead pixels. And something tells me that the next one will have no less... But will see. Next week, most likely.
The difference is slight AG coating vs no coating at all -)

For my needs it is the best monitor and it doesn't have options. The apple doesn't count... So I'll gamble. They say it's possible to get a good unit with no dead pixels. Or dead pixels that won't bother you much and can hardly be seen...
 
XoR said:
friend of mine bought PA241W after seeing my LG and difference is in colors compared to NEC are mainly in that NEC seems to have "analogue warmth" and LG "transistor coldness".
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Where did you get LG W2420R from? I can't find it anywhere in US?
 
I see that the LaCie have RGB LED with IPS and true 10-bits, do they also have A-TW Polarizer?
 
people are importing ips monitors from korea in other threads...anyway to get this? are there ebay like korean websites?
 
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