Israel to Treat Cyber Criminals as Terrorists

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There is a message here which boils down to don’t mess with Israel or its citizens in any form . This week a hacker leaked the private information of 6K Israeli citizens prompting Israel to announce policy changes concerning cyber-attacks. This could possibly change the attitude of potential hackers for anything Israel related. You know you are going to have a bad day when the Mossad shows up at your front door. :eek:

"Israel has active capabilities for striking at those who are trying to harm it, and no agency or hacker will be immune from retaliatory action."
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When the Jewish nation believes they are Gods chosen ones, and believe they can do what ever they want. When the Islamics believe they are Gods chosen ones, and they believe they can do what ever they want. So where does that leave the rest of us who don't have the same beliefs?
 
Good luck to Israel for their first kidnapping of US, Russian or Chinese Citizen they will believe to be responsible for some hack. Iranian nuclear facilities will be the smallest problem of Israel at that moment.
 
it's probably not going to be popular to say here, but Israel is batshit crazy and I wish we could wash our hands of them.
 
Hell, you mess with my gear, you ARE a friggin terrorist as far as I am concerned.
 
Israel is a country so hostile that only a blind religious zealot could love it. Instead of threatening missile strikes, kidnapping, and death squads against a 19-year-old kid with a computer, Israel should only have threatened with legal and diplomatic recourse - if they could resist the urge to make public threats in the first place.
 
Well, if you think about it.. internet 'fear/terror' may very well be vastly affecting more people than any other form..

How many normal non technical people are worried about their system security yet feel helpless? What about the people that don't even lock their doors but have firewall/av/etc? Terrorists in a basic sense are people who make people terrified..
 
At least its a more ballsy approach than the current US policy of turing a blind eye and saying that it wasnt chineese hax0rs who leaked confidental documents, someone spoofed their IP. :rolleyes:

tracert, nuke.... next if need be
 
BurntToast said:
At least its a more ballsy approach than the current US policy of turing a blind eye and saying that it wasnt chineese hax0rs who leaked confidental documents, someone spoofed their IP. :rolleyes:

tracert, nuke.... next if need be
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This
 
Israel, just as any other country, is full of decent people ruled by assholes. Don't blame israelis, blame the assholes.
 
The Israeli government lives in a glass house, and shouldn't throw stones.
 
It amazes me how many people hate Israel. Anytime Israel is mentioned in a story all the haters come out. Only about 1,000,000,000 people want to wipe them off the face of the earth. They are only surrounded by hostile countries. I would say an aggressive military strategy is necessary to stay in existence. They have a zero tolerance policy. You might not agree with everything they've done, but everything they do is in the interests of self defense.

BurntToast said:
At least its a more ballsy approach than the current US policy of turing a blind eye and saying that it wasnt chineese hax0rs who leaked confidental documents, someone spoofed their IP. :rolleyes:

tracert, nuke.... next if need be
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Exactly. The US does everything to avoid conflict with China. We are just crying in a dark corner pretending we aren't covered in bruises. Adopting a policy similar to Israels on hacking might not be such a bad idea.
 
Yeah fuck those guys for wanting to protect themselves in some way

Its not like they live in a country the size of Massachusetts, yet are surrounded by enemies for thousands of miles on all sides, who publicly call for their annihilation.

Its not like they are within range of all sorts of attacks, whether its militia charging their walls, boats in their harbor, or long ranged missiles pointed at them. They probably dont need to keep a high level of tech security.

And I mean europe and the US still have their backs, and are siding with them over terrorists

so really, what do they have to worry about?
 
Israel has active capabilities for striking at those who are trying to harm it, and no agency or hacker will be immune from retaliatory action
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So if some kid from america hacks an isreali bank, they'll drop nukes over the kids house? Sounds like a great plan...
 
I love the Israeli reaction. The US needs more responses like this. We wouldn't have problems with Gangs or Corrupt Officials if we took their approach.
 
Honestly? I'm beyond irritated by how our government (U.S. I mean) handles cyber attacks, especially of the identity robbing kind. I had my identity stolen senior year of high school six years ago by an incompetent police department in another county who ignored proper procedure and just made what was already a bad year even worse. It was eventually cleared up, but only through some very dedicated work on the part of some officers of our own department who weren't complete asses. Policy on identity theft needs to be dramatically strengthened as it honestly ruins people for life. Once your social is compromised you're screwed for life, often even if you are issued a new one. The fact that we use SSNs for everything is patently insane though. A 'single number to rule them all' just results in that being the golden key for thieves. Add to that how a credit card theft can destroy your credit for years, even if found and corrected, makes even that bitter. I just, I have zero tolerance for these things after having gone through what was a 'mild' case and am absolutely frustrated with how legislators have taken a blind eye to the whole situation because of some bullshit about not wanting to harm relations with the countries that are more prone to stealing that information.
 
Uncle said:
When the Jewish nation believes they are Gods chosen ones, and believe they can do what ever they want. When the Islamics believe they are Gods chosen ones, and they believe they can do what ever they want. So where does that leave the rest of us who don't have the same beliefs?
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Fact is that nearly any other country in the world could easily obliterate them, if they lost US support. Your beliefs are only as good as your military.

BTW if Israels military is anything like how they treat cyber criminals, they'll attack first and pretend like nothing happened.

I also like the commercials where they want people to vacation there. As if the place isn't a constant war zone over there.
 
Ashbringer said:
Fact is that nearly any other country in the world could easily obliterate them, if they lost US support. Your beliefs are only as good as your military.

BTW if Israels military is anything like how they treat cyber criminals, they'll attack first and pretend like nothing happened.

I also like the commercials where they want people to vacation there. As if the place isn't a constant war zone over there.
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Constant war zone?
Sorry but you're just ignorant. I can bet my life you've never been there, because if you did, you would never write such a thing.
You also seem to have no clue about Israel's military force.
 
stealthy123 said:
it's probably not going to be popular to say here, but Israel is batshit crazy and I wish we could wash our hands of them.
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At the very least, the majority of the country is at least willing to accept that Israel is a relatively wealthy industrialized nation that does not need to receive more annual foreign aid from the United States than all other countries combined.

Considering estimates of the size of their nuclear, chemical, and biological WMD arsenal and top rate military that can decimate numerous of its neighbors simultaneously with next to no resistance, they are also no more entitled access to the US military to do their bidding than France, Spain, Germany, or Malaysia are.

No one can explain what our return on investment is either, but unfortunately just like large corporations have lobbyists in Washington, Israel has them in spades. Pretty crazy if you think about it. :rolleyes:
 
bbvdd2 said:
I love the Israeli reaction. The US needs more responses like this. We wouldn't have problems with Gangs or Corrupt Officials if we took their approach.
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I don't, and would much rather we beef up our own security and work with other nations to bring such threats to justice.

I would personally consider it an act of war if I were Norway for example and I saw the United States bypassing the authority of the Norwegian legal system and enacting its own brand of justice outside her borders and against the citizens of foreign nations.
 
I really don't want to get into the religious hysteria that crops up every time Israel is involved in a story. The fact is they are one small country surrounded by many others who would love to see them destroyed. What we went through on 9/11,they have faced for decades. Cyber crime is no joke,it can be a viable weapon in the hands of terrorist or dictatorships like China. Leaving out the political aspects,it can disrupt the economy and destroy peoples lives. In my opinion,we need to take a much harder line on cyber crime of any kind ourselves.
 
michael.pa2 said:
What we went through on 9/11
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What did we go through on 9/11, and what did Bin Laden cite as the terrorists organizations motivation for the strike? I seem to recall part of his video message highlighting U.S. support of Israel and its perceived unfair treatment of Palestinians.

So again, why even after Israel has sold US military technology to China on more than one occasion now for a quick buck, and gets the overwhelming lion share of foreign aid (that was originally designed to help impoverished nations) do we continue this in the face of economic problems at home, and what is the return on investment? How has this one-sided alliance directly benefited the American people? *crickets chirping*

And with regard to the Palestinians, I know as a Texan that I wouldn't take kindly to forced migration from my homeland and endure military occupation, especially if I were being displaced from a place that has deep religious significance to me.
 
Ashbringer said:
Fact is that nearly any other country in the world could easily obliterate them, if they lost US support. Your beliefs are only as good as your military. .
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Poor, poor Israel - a high-tech, nuclear power, in fact backed by the US (which spends as much on its military as most of the rest of the world combined). Yeah, they could be obliterated easily by anyone? No wonder they act so insecure over a kid with a computer. :p

Every country deals with kids and criminals stealing credit card numbers. But, only Israel is dick enough to threaten acts of war over it.
 
I may be wrong, but I don't see what significance this could meant. Branding a group of people terrorist is one thing, but what can they actually do about it if the hackers are from foreign country? Wage a war against the country?

Imagine if those anon guys hacked something in their country. Sure, they can brand them terrorist, but its not like that's going to stop anon since they can't actually do anything about it.
 
forcefed said:
So if some kid from america hacks an isreali bank, they'll drop nukes over the kids house? Sounds like a great plan...
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Nah, maybe just show up & cut off his right hand. A lack of deterrents is why crime with lack of fear of consequence is so out of control in the US.
If everyone was surrounded by hostile giants, they'd probably look at things a bit differently, but it's easy to spew crap while living cozy little lives.
Everyone dumps on Israel, but if it were one of the muslim countries there'd be an "oh no you didn't" uprising. Gotta love sympathy for unsympathetic aggressors. :rolleyes:
 
Ducman69 said:
What did we go through on 9/11, and what did Bin Laden cite as the terrorists organizations motivation for the strike? I seem to recall part of his video message highlighting U.S. support of Israel and its perceived unfair treatment of Palestinians.

So again, why even after Israel has sold US military technology to China on more than one occasion now for a quick buck, and gets the overwhelming lion share of foreign aid (that was originally designed to help impoverished nations) do we continue this in the face of economic problems at home, and what is the return on investment? How has this one-sided alliance directly benefited the American people? *crickets chirping*

And with regard to the Palestinians, I know as a Texan that I wouldn't take kindly to forced migration from my homeland and endure military occupation, especially if I were being displaced from a place that has deep religious significance to me.
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Valid points. Now if you can picture the USA and Israel as one nation then you will also understand why USA treatment towards Israelis is so, shall we say so lopsided. Look who the USA power brokers are, and their personal relationship with Israel, and the rest of the puzzle all falls into place.
 
mynamehere said:
Nah, maybe just show up & cut off his right hand. A lack of deterrents is why crime with lack of fear of consequence is so out of control in the US.
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It's a well documented fact that dealing with the effects as harshly as possibly is waaay more effective than dealing with the cause! If you shot every criminal dead and their family and everyone they knew, there would be no more crime ever! :p
 
forcefed said:
So if some kid from america hacks an isreali bank, they'll drop nukes over the kids house? Sounds like a great plan...
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No, but that punk disappearing, and waking up on trial in Israel is not out of the question.

I don't see the problem. They have decided to treat criminals like criminals. They seem to simply be making it clear that they consider cyber terrorism, well, terrorism.
It might make some useless piece of criminal trash think for a minute prior to fucking over a few thousand people from behind the supposed anonymity of their keyboard at least.
 
GORANKAR said:
They seem to simply be making it clear that they consider cyber terrorism, well, terrorism.
It might make some useless piece of criminal trash think for a minute prior to fucking over a few thousand people from behind the supposed anonymity of their keyboard at least.
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Cyber terrorism? If i walk into a bank and rob it im not a terrorist, im a thief, same goes if i do it online. If no ones life is at risk its not terrorism.
 
Unfortunately, Nostradamus did not predict that WW3 would be started by a hacked Facebook account. We could have squashed both of these atrocities. DAMN YOU DAMUS!!!
 
forcefed said:
Cyber terrorism? If i walk into a bank and rob it im not a terrorist, im a thief, same goes if i do it online. If no ones life is at risk its not terrorism.
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So if that thief is a member of a terrorist group or a operative for a hostile foreign power,and their actions are an ongoing operation to disrupt and destroy our economy,it's not a terrorist act?
 
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