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What makes sandy bridge so good anyways?
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Haha, no, its not that I dont like SB, its just that I dont see it being something to get all that excited about. I'm excited for the true replacement of 1366, which isn't until Q3. If i was interested in i5's or low end i7's, maybe it'd be more interesting.
Got my UD3R for 180 and my 950 for 250. Yea its at microcenter, yea its a loss-leader, but its still out there.. just sayin'
no, not for a while. why make the new hotness a loss-leader? Its not just the price of the CPUs either, its a total system price. New cpu's and new mobos have big markups
How about trying to put together a real argument instead of insulting my intelligence
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OK Intel, Gigabyte did their part, now get me a CPU to put in this P67A-UD4...
How much did you pay for that if you don't mind me asking? I'm eying the UD7 but the rumors that is costs $300 are a bit concerning.
$200.57 shipped, IIRC. Cheapest GB board with SLI support as far as I know.
I would have gone lower but tri-monitor has crept into my mind and that requires a second GPU with nVid (not that I'd mind the extra speed, just the thought of 30" for single monitor gaming and 30+24+24 for 3 account EVE is appealing to me).
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Well, we will see very soon. And yes, it is total system price. You think X58 will get entry level pricing while new Sandy Bridge motherboards will have premium pricing?
Hey, you are the one posting that the current loss leader will have its price lowered even more...Megalomaniac
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So what you're saying is that you like to play with yourself?
The big one in front and your two wingmen, righty and lefty? (sorry, the net was open, i had to take the shot)But that is some serious EVE investment, 3 accounts. And with 3 monitors, you dont need a kvm to control them all!
I do hope that MC or even newegg have some good SB bundles when it comes out. I need to hand down my current machine to the other generation.
Once I get the secondaries decently trained I'll be doing PI and complexes no sweat. 3 accounts = 1B a month for PLEX, and thats not very much. Of course, I have 6 accounts (2 are still trial) at the moment.So what you're saying is that you like to play with yourself?
But that is some serious EVE investment, 3 accounts. And with 3 monitors, you dont need a kvm to control them all!
I do hope that MC or even newegg have some good SB bundles when it comes out. I need to hand down my current machine to the other generation.
Anyway, a 30" monitor and second GPU would be the expensive part of that setup.
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I hope Sandy is at least 50% faster clock to clock to my Q9550 to justify Me upgrading.
I am a bit confused about the on die gpu part. Do I need a specific mono for this? I read the h67 supports on die gpu but p67 does not
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From the ipc increase relative to 1155 cpus and the increase 1155 cpus had over 775, I think it should have at least that. I am in the same boat as you, but hyperthreading on the 2600k is enough reason for me to upgrade so I can push some bigadv in F@H.
In terms of single-threaded performance, it won't come close to that. But if you are talking total throughput where you take into account the IMC + HT then it could very well come to 50%+, obviously it depends on the specific application.
Motherboards based on the H67 chipset will support the IGP, but the P67 ones will not.
With the SB version of Intel's IGP, I don't think they are too concerned. I'm guessing the vast majority of people who would even look at a GPU from Nvidia or AMD, will still buy one because the IGP just won't cut it with higher resolutions and advanced features. Maybe in 2-3 years depending on how fast Intel progresses their IGP, they might eat into the low end parts from Nvidia and AMD.
Intel has a long way to go to catch Ati and Nvidia. Their solutions are meant to be primarily low cost, low power which is not really the primary selling aspect of Ati/Nvidia.
That's not to say Intel couldn't make a decent high end chip, they probably could in a few years time, but most of their past forays into that field were failures.
That's not to say Intel couldn't make a decent high end chip, they probably could in a few years time, but most of their past forays into that field were failures.
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I will prob sell and get a SB. but you think the Motherboard's will be really expensive like one's for the i7's ( high end cpu's one's)?
i think only reason were seeing on board GPU is for intel to basically own all low end graphics sales now.
Nvidia and ati cant compete with intel anymore on the low end. why would laptop manufactures or any low end computer builder want to pay for another gpu when basically they get one free when they use sandy bridge. Look at the rumors now that apple is basically going to dump nvidia and just use the on board gpu of SB in ther macbooks.
Nvidia and ati cant compete with intel anymore on the low end. why would laptop manufactures or any low end computer builder want to pay for another gpu when basically they get one free when they use sandy bridge. Look at the rumors now that apple is basically going to dump nvidia and just use the on board gpu of SB in ther macbooks.
lots of oem machines come with low end ati and nvidia solutions tho. when onboard gpu cpu's start becoming used they will get a big loss of revenue.
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Doesn't Intel already control > 75% of the GPU market in terms of number of GPUs sold?
I do not think it will make much a difference if the GPU is on the processor or on the chipset to OEMs.
I do not think it will make much a difference if the GPU is on the processor or on the chipset to OEMs.
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Same here. It's been way too long since I changed platforms. I'm on my 3rd CPU and 3rd GPU on the same mobo. I've heard several times that the IMC on the new Intel chips bring noticable responsiveness. Likely gain 15% higher clocks, 15-30% more performance clock for clock, and better SLI/Crossfire performance. That's a huge performance increase. I used to upgrade for another 250 mhz.
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Might skip out on the 2600K, I don't like the whole idea of the GPU on the CPU die.
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Just disable it and use an external GPU.
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It's also a good excuse for me to wait for Ivy Bridge.
what happens if that has a built-in gpu also?
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wikipedia seems to say that the 6 and 8 core versions will not have a GPU. Although we can always question the reliability of that information.
It's also a good excuse for me to wait for Ivy Bridge.
I was about to call you on that. Lol
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Don't forget Intel also has remote management features aimed at the enterprise.
Also, I'm surprised Intel is releasing Ivy Bridge in 2011, especially when socket 2011 would have only been out a few months. Maybe AMD are on to something..
thers a difference between high chips and high end server chips.
just like there is now.
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For me this low end GPU would be enough. Home and work. I need more CPU performance not really that much more GPU performance for most of my tasks in medical imaging research. Same goes for most of the other users at work. Most of these a $30 nVidia fan less GPU is what I get them.
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Having some shader processors on the CPU die would go a long way towards implementing Physics in more games.
Doubtful. It's just more of the same, go look at the time tables between the 1156 and the 1336 architectures.
You're going to have to put a lot of shaders on the CPU to get any real benefit from this. If PhysX is making a serious impact on the frame rates of a high end card, that means it's using a hell of a lot of shaders.
Because you don't play games?
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Worst case scenario if you don't use the IGP is that you could paying a marginally higher cost than is strictly necessary for some silicon you won't use. I think this is nebulous at best because the amount is so small relative to the pricing stratera defined by Intel's marketing strategy.
On the other hand, even if you don't use the igp now, you may if you pass it on to an HTPC down the line and you can't ignore the fact that this significantly raises the bar for performance that can be expected from most laptops on the market.
On 1156 the igp caused you to need more voltage when overclocking than you otherwise would because your reference clock bumps were scaling the igp as well. With the muliplier based overclocking on SB this shouldn't be the case and I think the IGP really only brings added flexibility to the platform with very little downside.
On the other hand, even if you don't use the igp now, you may if you pass it on to an HTPC down the line and you can't ignore the fact that this significantly raises the bar for performance that can be expected from most laptops on the market.
On 1156 the igp caused you to need more voltage when overclocking than you otherwise would because your reference clock bumps were scaling the igp as well. With the muliplier based overclocking on SB this shouldn't be the case and I think the IGP really only brings added flexibility to the platform with very little downside.
The annoying thing is that the IGP won't work on P67 boards, which from what I understand will be in other respects the best boards. So even if the IGP is mostly useless to me, it would at least have been nice if I could use it as a backup in case my video card dies. But I can't, if I get a P67 board that is. So it really is a worthless piece of silicon for people who get a P67 mobo :/