another dumb need a sata card thread..

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killster1

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well having some issues with onboard controller or just my kids beat my pc up to much and are giving me hd errors in event viewer (one hd got bad smart errors (pulled and rma'd) others just parity error or paging operation error.. ) so im frustrated dont want to upgrade motherboard or change mobo just want to buy a sata card.. (a upgrade from ich10r would be nice but i dont know if perc is for just 2 drives.. )

so Dell Perc 5/i?

i saw a recommendation for a highpoint 2300 raid card (119$ or something) i wouldnt mind doing raid with 2 or more 640gb drives (maybe short stroked or what ever its called)

perc 5i are like 140 on ebay with cables so around that would be ok..
 
n e body? im thinking about switching two drives to the non intel since ive not had a problem with the hds linked into the jmicron controller just the other 6 sata
 
What PSU do you have? Some of those HDD errors might be caused by the PSU.
What motherboard are you using now?
What HDDs are you using now?
Which RAID level do you want?
 
dfi p45 plus
hx620
6x640gb black and blue edition wd hds
dont care what raid level just want to short stroke or something close to 2-3 hds for faster speed
 
I would look at the hard drive problems as a symptom of a problem rather than the problem itself. While you have enough power for the drives, the PSU could be bad or going bad. If you have any type of overclock on the system, I would drop it back to stock. There is also the chance the motherboard/southbridge is bad. If this is the case, you need to RMA it as an add in controller card isn't going to fix the bad motherboard.

 
I concur with SmokeRngs: Those HDD errors could be symptom of an even bigger problem with the motherboard. It could just be isolated to the HDD themselves or something else. The ICH10R should be more than enough for RAID 0 and if you're having problems with it, no add-on card will fix that.
 
i have a q6600 oc'd to 3.4 on this board.. the problems have gone away for 10 days so far so i really wonder if it was a loose cable / my little kids beating on my case.. so your 100% sure a diff raid sata controller wont help if im having sata controller problems?

An error was detected on device \Device\Harddisk2\D during a paging operation.

The device, \Device\Ide\IdePort4, did not respond within the timeout period.

{Delayed Write Failed} Windows was unable to save all the data for the file . The data has been lost. This error may be caused by a failure of your computer hardware or network connection. Please try to save this file elsewhere.

Application popup: Windows - Delayed Write Failed : Windows was unable to save all the data for the file F:\WINDOWS\system32\config\SysEvent.Evt. The data has been lost. This error may be caused by a failure of your computer hardware or network connection. Please try to save this file elsewhere.



here are a few of the errors i got 10 days ago..

im really stubborn id rather not take apart the whole pc and just buy a sata controller that will be faster.. im sure eventually ill use 4 hds in raid so maybe the pearl5i wouldnt be such bad idea?
 
killster1 said:
so your 100% sure a diff raid sata controller wont help if im having sata controller problems?
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im really stubborn id rather not take apart the whole pc and just buy a sata controller that will be faster.. im sure eventually ill use 4 hds in raid so maybe the pearl5i wouldnt be such bad idea?
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No a different RAID controller will not help if A) your HDDs were defective to begin with or B) your mobo has SATA controller problems. Once you start having SATA controller problems, its usually a sign of a bad mobo or the NB/SB not getting enough voltage or the SATA port is bad.

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Download the CD image of Hitachi Drive Fitness Test, burn the ISO file to a CD, and then boot from it, just like you would do with the XP/Vista install CD. Test the hard drive and see if any problems are found. DFT will run on most manufacturers' hard drives. Alternatively, you can use Seagate's SeaTools for DOS to test a Seagate or Maxtor drive. For a Western Digital drive, you could use Data Lifeguard Tools for DOS to test a Western Digital drive.
 
upped all the voltages (checked out a guide) will run the hd tests in a little bit.. thanks prob just not enough volts.. or maybe its from power outages? either way.. im still suprised that a diff controller wont fix it but at least saves me 120+$ for now..
 
killster1 said:
upped all the voltages (checked out a guide) will run the hd tests in a little bit.. thanks prob just not enough volts.. or maybe its from power outages? either way.. im still suprised that a diff controller wont fix it but at least saves me 120+$ for now..
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The reason a controller card won't fix anything if there is something wrong with the southbridge is because it means something is physically faulty. When one part on a motherboard goes bad or is bad, there is a very good chance it's going to affect stability of a lot of other things and possibly cause other problems and damage. Generally speaking the best case scenario is that the motherboard will continue to get worse without damaging anything else but cause problems to the point it isn't usable anymore. An add in card cannot fix that.
 
SmokeRngs said:
The reason a controller card won't fix anything if there is something wrong with the southbridge is because it means something is physically faulty. When one part on a motherboard goes bad or is bad, there is a very good chance it's going to affect stability of a lot of other things and possibly cause other problems and damage. Generally speaking the best case scenario is that the motherboard will continue to get worse without damaging anything else but cause problems to the point it isn't usable anymore. An add in card cannot fix that.
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so you think the motherboard killed the hard drive? it was getting reallocated sector smart errors so i rmad the first hd.. then i got a few of these errors (posted above) like 1 month later.. now 2 weeks later no errors and everything is fine, stressed, during games, during encoding etc.. so im a bit skeptical as if anything is really even wrong or if power outages and my kids beating my case when im not home maybe had something to do with it.. (ups battery died and has not been working ill switch it out when i get a chance)

as i said before im not rmaing the motherboard till it is dead and i even know that this is the problem or was a problem.. i still think it was just low voltage as i left my sb stock with a pretty heavy overclock.. (altho problem didnt show up for a long time after) shit well i have a few pc's just like this one so if this one dies completely ill just swap to a diff one.. thanks for input and if i get more errors ill share them with you guys thanks..



id also like to add that if a part on a motherboard goes bad and is even damaged it will still might work fine.. my buddy has mobo with missing resistors and broken pins on the cpu etc and everything works fine and has worked fine for years.. my old dfi mobo actually had usb problems that where solved by upping voltages as well.. my thinking is if onboard sound goes out you throw in a pci sound card.. if onboard wifi goes out you throw in wifi card.. no need to rma mobo and get same one back unless i really know its a bad southbridge and is really the issue.. so 100% if sata controller is bad a perc 5i wont work as its own sata controller for the pc? (i have tons of pc's so even if doesnt solve the problem can go to diff box)
 
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The problem with trying to fix sata controller errors with a new sata controller is a little different to solving faulty sound with an add-in card.

If your sound goes bad, it means (possibly) that there is a problem with the sound chip on the motherboard.

If the onboard sata controller goes bad, it means there is a problem with the sata controller chip on the motherboard. But the sata controller chip is (usually) the southbridge itself. And the southbridge controls pretty much everything other than the cpu, ram and main graphics. Including the expansion slots. So adding in a new pci or pci-e card is not going to help if the southbridge is bad, because any southbridge problems will likely still screw everything up.

Hope this makes it a bit clearer.

In your case, it sounds like the disks are bad (or 1 or 2 of them are bad). I would run the diagnostics listed above to find out.
 
killster1 said:
. my thinking is if onboard sound goes out you throw in a pci sound card.. if onboard wifi goes out you throw in wifi card.. no need to rma mobo and get same one back unless i really know its a bad southbridge and is really the issue.. so 100% if sata controller is bad a perc 5i wont work as its own sata controller for the pc? (i have tons of pc's so even if doesnt solve the problem can go to diff box)
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As the_beast and SmokeRngs have said: The south bridge is a significantly more vital component than onboard wifi or sound. If just one part of it starts malfunctioning, like the SATA controller problem, there's an extremely high chance that the rest of the SB will go bad or malfunction.

So again: A Perc 5/i will not help you out.
 
on the other hand there is a "extremely high chance" that the problem is already fixed and a perc5i would be fine.. im going to buy one for fun anyway (perc5i) and setup 4x640gb raid (since im sure it will be better than ich10r)

hope its all fine but truth is i have no free time to take stuff apart.. i have the same mobo nib in the garage .. if it gives me more troubles ill buy new cpu and throw the mobo (will give me a reason to take it apart if cpu change as well)
 
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