$500 Ethernet Cable

Exavior said:
Make sure when you buy it that you buy this player and this networked audio device

otherwise you won't get the true effect. also you will probably need to buy 2 cables one for you dvd player and one for the audio device. Maybe you better get a 3rd for your computer while at it.
Click to expand...

I'm actually looking at the 3808, network capable receiver, which can be had from an authorized Denon retailer for $1000. Denon does have some over-priced items, but not everything is priced to make you bleed.
 
Well come on guys, you never know. Maybe the cable is so expensve because the PHY on the Denon receivers is of such poor quality that it requires super duper special cables... ;)
 
This cable exists for only one reason - some people will be stupid enough to actually buy it. Great profits for the company, increase the cost of manufacturing by a couple of dollars and increase the price 20 times.

With analog cables, it makes some sense to invest in reasonably high quality cables.. but for a digital cable..either the signal reaches the other end or it doesn't...
 
I don't know if I should be po'd at Denon for trying to rip people off or amused at people that would actually buy this crap.
 
Not_So_Hard said:
Wow. Just Wow.

And it only has a 90 day warranty. That just screams "We stand behind our products".

Here's a graphic of the cable components. Is Denon perhaps utilizing subliminal message techniques with the component naming?... Definitely the Heidi Fleiss of cables.

Denon_Cable_Components.jpg
Click to expand...

LOL! wow, just wow.
 
Canna get a WTF ?

I've bought exactly TWO high-end Monster cables in my entire life.

A 16 foot DVI Cable and a 12 foot Subwoofer Cable.

Not because I thought they transmitted signals better, but because they were very well built and tough, and I felt they had a better chance of surviving the long term considering all the dogs and cats that keep screwing with my stuff.

Other than that, it's 16 GA Lamp Cord for speaker wire, and AR cables for everything else. I think the AR's are a very nice compromise between high-end-ridiculousness and cheap, china-made crap. And you can grab them off the shelf at BB if you are in need of one in a hurry.

My entire system is now AR cables and I've had no issues whatsoever.

I used to be into high-end audio before I got a brain. Now I just buy very good stuff at a reasonable price. I do miss my NAD amps and my Nakamichi Tape Deck (before they went all fischer price on us) but I survive just fine.

My biggest splurge is on my speakers. I likes me a nice set of Polks and that's what I use (RTI-10's and matching centers and rears). Speakers can be a once-in-a-life purchase unlike most electronics.

I remember a guy at a stereo store (one of those with the parking lot full of BMW's) once tried to sell me a Monster CD Interconnect cable for $75. I shit you not, the thing had ARROWS on it to indicate what direction you should connect it up.

I'll never say the Mark Levinsons, etc... of the world aren't better. They are. They just aren't 5000% better to justify the cost.

I'll take one for free though :)
 
lopoetve said:
ones and zeros. Doesn't matter if the one or zero is fuzzy, it's STILL a one or a zero, and that means that it's converted to the EXACT same analog waveform as it started as
Click to expand...
If only things were quite that easy. Unfortunately, they rarely are. A skewed digital signal may need to be reclocked at the input in order to suppress unwanted and potentially audible clocking jitter prior to digital-to-analog conversion. This is called anti-jittering or jitter suppression.

Not that it makes any difference to you or anyone else, but just for 'teh record'.
 
He's right. The other guys right. You're both right :)

Digital is indeed digital. But, it has to GET there. If it GETS there, then indeed digital is digital. When it doesn't get there is why you get the pixelation and screen lockups on digital cable TV. There ain't much in the way of error correction in those transmissions (for good reason, actually).

One of the absolute worse devices to change from analog to digital, IMHO, is radio controls for model aircraft. I lost more helicopters in the late 80's to digital lockup on PCM radio's than I ever did from pilot error.

At least with analog when you took a glitch you could still deal with it.

It wasn't so bad for airplanes (you had some time), but with Heli's a lockup meant you were get-out-the-glad-bag DONE, and hopefully no one got hit.

phide said:
If only things were quite that easy. Unfortunately, they rarely are. A skewed digital signal may need to be reclocked at the input in order to suppress unwanted and potentially audible clocking jitter prior to digital-to-analog conversion. This is called anti-jittering or jitter suppression.

Not that it makes any difference to you or anyone else, but just for 'teh record'.
Click to expand...
 
riot8ap said:
Is there any scientific data to back this up? Is electricity impeded when the plastic coating the copper has an arrow pointing the other way?
Click to expand...

Wait, I'm confused. The arrow is pointing both ways. I better have my personal assistant call tech-support.


For that price I want to be able to see the little ones and zeros racing back and forth.
 
Ockie said:
This would pair nicley with the $7,500 pear HDMI cables and the gas injected $500 power cables
Click to expand...

well what are you waiting for, Ockie? I don't know anyone else that could afford this kind of stuff!
 
Denon is just trying to cash in on more audiophile snake oil. I'm a high-end audio guy, with a stereo made from Classe Audio, JmLabs(Focal) Electra speakers, and so on, and was caught up in this crazy nonsense when I first got into it. I've tried all the "better" cables, such as MIT, Monster, Kimber, and many others... and yes, they all sound different, mostly. The reason for this, especially with the cable like Transparent and MIT, is that they engineer crap into them to affect the sound. It's all bullshit. The best sound I get from my system is from well-made, well shielded cable, made from copper. And everyone here is right, there's no need to pay a fortune for this stuff. Mind you, don't go ultra cheap either, for some things. Some connectors are better than others, and some do shielding better than others, but that's about it. Anyone who purchases stuff like this has more money than brains. Marketing is a great tool for this voodoo crap. It shouldn't cost more than a few hundred to wire a whole home theater, and that's with long cable runs for all the speakers.
A good website for cable snake oil is Audioholics. They measure and talk at great length about this, and basically you you get ripped off.
Bottom line, people are mostly stupid. lol
 
WhiteZero said:
'Cept you need Cat6 to run Gigabit. ;)
Click to expand...

Funny to see a thread about debunking misconceptions containing an oft-repeated misconception. Original GB Ethernet spec was designed around CAT-5 for the simple reason that it was in place at the time the spec was developed. Cat-6 is not a requirement for Gigabit. Neither is Cat-5E. Don't take my word for it, read it from the IEEE 802.3ab docs:

http://grouper.ieee.org/groups/802/3/ab/public/criteria.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1000BASE-T#1000BASE-T
 
WTF. I am more in shock that there are people that would pay that much for a Ethernet cable in the first place! I mean, you know how many hundreds of feet of Cat5e I can get for $500?? Shit.
 
Found these gems on Amazon's reviews

A caution to people buying these: if you do not follow the "directional markings" on the cables, your music will play backwards. Please check that before mentioning it in your reviews.

I was disappointed. I consider myself an audiophile - I regularly spend over $1000 on cables to get the ultimate sound. I keep my music-listening room in a Faraday cage to prevent any interference that could alter my music-listening experience. Sending any signal down ordinary copper can degrade the signal considerably. While ordinary listeners might not notice, to somebody with even a rudimentary knowledge of sound, the artifacts are glaring. Denon should have used silver wiring (hermetically sealed inside the rubber sheath to prevent any tarnishing, of course), which has a significantly higher conductivity than copper. Furthermore, Denon needs to treat the wires they use in the cable with a polarity inductor to ensure minimal phase variance.

Needless to say, I returned the cable and wrote an angry letter to the so-called engineers at Denon.
Click to expand...

If I could use a rusty boxcutter to carve a new orifice in my body that's compatible with this link cable, I would already be doing it. I can just imagine the pure musical goodness that would flow through this cable into the wound and fill me completely -- like white, holy light. Holding this cable in my hands actually makes me feel that much closer to the Lord Jesus Christ. I only make $6.25/hr at Jack In The Box, but I saved up for three months so I could have this cable. It sits in a shrine I constructed next to my futon in Mother's basement.

I only gave it four stars in my review because I can't find music that is worthy enough to flow through this utterly perfect interconnect.
Click to expand...

Well, not to brag, but I have to say I've found many additional uses than what this cable was originally intended for. First I thought it was just a mere audio cable that I've seen at every audiophile store in the land, but oh, its much more. This is not only a audio cable that has recieved the utmost detail to manufacturing attention. I have also been able to hook it up to my Router that connects into my DSL Connection and instantly upgrade myself to a OC-3 connection. Yes thats 400+Mbps of Data streaming into my house, just by merely connecting this cable between my DSL Modem and my Router. You jest?, Well the reason why is the quality is extremely higher than a typical Cat-5 Cable, or even a Cat-6 Cable. I would have to say this cable is rated at cat-7 or even better. Along with being able to upgrade my 1.5mbps DSL connection to 400+mbps, I have been able to successfully utilize this cable to connect my PC into a Switch that allows me to establish one of the most amazing home networks. Just by doing this I think I'm running at a 10gigabit + network speed. Its amazingly fast, with this cable and a few tweaks like upgrading the switches in my house, my network cars in my PC, actually buying a different cable, I've been able to achieve a LAN speed of 10Gigabit.

I must say the only thing I haven't tried to do with this cable is replace the powercord on my toast and hardwire this to the electrical current in my house to see if it will give me a more perfect slice of toast. Not that I'm questioning its ability to not, I have to solely believe that if I do this my toast from my toaster will be the holy grail of toasts. I'll be able to sell my secret recipe to Mc Donalds and then Mc Donalds will finally have Toast with their Big Breakfasts.

See in reality all you joke about this cable being so expensive, but if your looking to get ahead in life, you need to buy this cable. This cable will be one of the sole reasons why you become rich. It will help you out with your chores, I have mine mowing the lawn right now. I said hey Cable. I spent $500 on you, your gonna mow the lawn. Granted, I kinda have a feeling its going to be just handing on the handle where I left it and the Lawn won't be mowed. But if that happens, their will be H*LL to pay.. I will serve this cable up a heapin' helping of a can of Whoop @$$.

Needless to say, me and my $500 cable have become great friends, actually because everyone quit being my friend, because I say they are Jealous, they tell me I'm stupid for spending $500 on a $3 cable.. I say they are just Jealous.
Click to expand...
 
I am writing this to anyone who bought these cables.

Though you think your purchase is complete, you're still missing one critical factor. The happy factor. You need to "donate" from your full bank account to fill my empty bank account. Know that your funds will be fully appreciated and utilized increasing my happiness. Knowing you've donated to my cause will give you happiness too, and then you can listen to your music over your special cables and be even happier. Thank you.
 
KaosDG said:
It makes a ton of difference.
Click to expand...

As they point out in the article, 2 of the 7 people could correctly tell the difference. This is actually pretty significant, particularly because double-blind tests themselves rarely deviate from 50% (or the # of choices you're trying to differentiate). This means that double-blind test, because of participant psychology and testing methods, are heavily biased towards disproving a difference than proving there is one. The people in that article used no measurements to verify what the electrical differences were, nor did they give any criteria to the listening group to evaluate; they simply asked which was "better". The only thing that was proven was that you MAY NOT be able to tell the difference, and that's hardly a useful conclusion, except to say that if you can't tell the difference then don't buy the thing.

The consumerist.com website is a good thing to have around because they bring some publicity to issues that need it, but BY NO MEANS should ANYTHING they write about be taken as end-of-story fact. They are far, FAR from objective and never have the whole story (or the knowledge to understand it if they did).

As far as the denon cables go, little argument from me as far as ethernet is concerned, if that's even what they're for. But make goofy aspersions about high-end audio and there's gonna be trouble.
 
Denon said right there in their own description that it was intended to be used to interconnect DIGITAL signals between their devices.

If the G()@damn signal is DIGITAL then it either gets there intact or it doesn't. A $2 ethernet cable would do exactly the same thing. The cable could only cause a problem if it's just plain faulty and you get drops and gaps in the audio due to the data being corrupted on the other end. Not damn likely.

When will this insanity end? If Denon needs to charge more for their receivers to make money, then they need to do it, but this is morally and ethically bankrupt.
 
PS: 2 of the 5 people could tell the difference. That's *very* significant; the conclusion is way off.
 
theDreamer said:
To cheap, I do not spend money anything less than a 1,000USD. :rolleyes:
Click to expand...

You mother f****ing bastard. You stole my post.

Well screw that, I won't consider any ethernet that costs less than 10,000 dollars for my computing or audio needs.


Seriously, when are the audio guys going to figure out that digital is digital...it either works or it doesn't. The jacketing looks nice, but it won't work any better than a $5.00 cable from Frys.
 
These audiophiles are amazing....and I thought us "computer enthusiasts" were bad, but they're just ridiculous..Seriously, stands that raise your wires? This crap's got to be for guys with little or no penis...

Those amazon reviews are hilarious.
 
trudude said:
Exactly. If you pay more money for a "higher quality" cable you are an idiot. There is LITERALLY ZERO difference.
Click to expand...

Granted, a coat hanger is not exactly what I'd call small-gauge wire. However, the crap about "better" wires that cost hundreds of dollars is BS. For analog cables, you don't need a special cable, you can get large-gauge wire for cheap, but these are ONLY useful where there would be a lot of interference, if you plan on doing a long strip of wiring (>25 feet), or for wiring through walls.

There is SOME difference between gauges, but even a trained ear would not be able to tell the difference. It's all about diminishing returns. At very small-gauges, yes, there will be a massive difference when upgrading. But once you get to a certain point, you stop benefiting because the interference is negligible.

For stuff like optical, there's really no difference, except some cables may be more brittle than others.
 
venm11 said:
The people in that article used no measurements to verify what the electrical differences were, nor did they give any criteria to the listening group to evaluate; they simply asked which was "better". The only thing that was proven was that you MAY NOT be able to tell the difference, and that's hardly a useful conclusion, except to say that if you can't tell the difference then don't buy the thing.
Click to expand...

But that was the whole point of the article...Of course there would be a difference if you used measurements between the two, one's a coat hanger for Christ's sake. The point was a completely subjective double-blind test, not to hook it up to an oscilloscope. Now if you want to get into a numbers/statistics argument, then yeah, the test probably should have had 25 or even 50 test subjects so you can have a more accurate picture to see if people can tell the difference..
 
Advil said:
If the G()@damn signal is DIGITAL then it either gets there intact or it doesn't.
Click to expand...
The issue is that each bit must also arrive on time, relative to other bits, or samples can be potentially misinterpreted by converters. This generally isn't a problem because most jitter observed between consumer devices is deterministic and most modern consumer devices have some sort of jitter suppression.

Spaxspore said:
0010101001001s are still 1s and 0s
Click to expand...
Yeah, they're still ones and zeros. The problem isn't that they become 2s and 4s (because they can't), but there's the potential for zeros to be interpreted as ones and vice versa. Flipping a single bit is potentially audible depending on the content of the signal and its significance in the sample (if it's the most significant bit, for instance, or if it's the least significant bit).
 
venm11 said:
As they point out in the article, 2 of the 7 people could correctly tell the difference. This is actually pretty significant, particularly because double-blind tests themselves rarely deviate from 50% (or the # of choices you're trying to differentiate). This means that double-blind test, because of participant psychology and testing methods, are heavily biased towards disproving a difference than proving there is one. The people in that article used no measurements to verify what the electrical differences were, nor did they give any criteria to the listening group to evaluate; they simply asked which was "better". The only thing that was proven was that you MAY NOT be able to tell the difference, and that's hardly a useful conclusion, except to say that if you can't tell the difference then don't buy the thing.

The consumerist.com website is a good thing to have around because they bring some publicity to issues that need it, but BY NO MEANS should ANYTHING they write about be taken as end-of-story fact. They are far, FAR from objective and never have the whole story (or the knowledge to understand it if they did).

As far as the denon cables go, little argument from me as far as ethernet is concerned, if that's even what they're for. But make goofy aspersions about high-end audio and there's gonna be trouble.
Click to expand...

2/7 is not good odds.

Also, who's to say the 2 that picked the right cable did KNOWINGLY choose the monster, and not by random chance?


In any case, I don't argue the merits of good quality cables.
but more $$$ doesn't necessarily mean good quality.
(yes, you pay a premium for more metal in the wire, and better manufacturing specs... but hundreds if not thousands of dollars is ridiculous)
 
And I bet the plastic RJ45 jack plastic end still snaps broken if you bend it forward too much.
 
Not_So_Hard said:
Wow. Just Wow.

And it only has a 90 day warranty. That just screams "We stand behind our products".

Here's a graphic of the cable components. Is Denon perhaps utilizing subliminal message techniques with the component naming?... Definitely the Heidi Fleiss of cables.

Denon_Cable_Components.jpg
Click to expand...

Wow they didn't even use a a different configuration of the cables. It is 100% a Cat5 cable.
 
Your ears can only hear so much. I'm an audio engineer and I think this is a complete waste. I know there are some "audiophiles" out there that put 10's of thousands of dollars into their stereo system, but for what? It's not like they can hear the full frequency range being produced. I do understand the need to keep the signal as prestine as possible, but this is just overkill. I agree with the previous person that said whoever buys this is an idiot with too much money.
 
You've gotta admit though, those cables look REALLY nice.

It'd make my patch panel look really cool.

I wonder if I can convince management that these will increase bandwidth? :D
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top