Swiftech new internal solution?

Smart move to get into the newbie entry level which is where the volume is.

Hmm just looking at the picture I would think its going to be all about the pump, if it does not die every 6 months they might have something.

However I need to know how much the performance is enhanced by those uber cool blingy neon green thingies on the tubing, figure that has to be worth another 50MHz ? :rolleyes:
 
Gabe has been working on that pump/block combo for a long time now, I talked to him about it somewhere around last year when we talked about the ram cool, good to see that it finially made it to market...................:)

However I need to know how much the performance is enhanced by those uber cool blingy neon green thingies on the tubing, figure that has to be worth another 50MHz ?
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If you ever worked with the new black tubing that Swiftech is using, you'd know exactly why it's there, it keeps the thin walled tubing from kinking and allows for much tighter bends............:eek:

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Sometimes you just can't get away from tight bends, fact of life. Which would you rather have, tight bends or 90 degree fittings?................:eek:
 
I hate the look of extra fittings, but that's just me, I think it clutters up a build.....................:p
 
Just going by the part numbers I'm assuming that the Apogee350 is a mating of the Apogee block with the DDC.
 
Very similar to an AC item we talked about last year. The one AC hyped as being the second coming, said they patented the idea, and then promptly refused to discuss it anymore after a whole bunch of us wanted to buy one. :mad: As I recall the issue that made for such a stellar cooling effect is direct pump impeller to water block impingement. The Swiftech product looks like it may be the same general design. If it has direct impeller to water block impingement I'm buying one!

This one got closed => http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1031909


This one stayed open => http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1032731
 
Yeah, I'll be interested to see several questions explored:
1) vibrations...does it vibrate, is that loud (to people who can hear), does it shorten mb/cpu life?
2) performance...does the design use the turning of the pump rotors to create turbulance over the block (like I think TN's alluded AC design was supposed to)

It will be interesting to see how it goes. Or maybe they'll only market it to OEM's that want to add $400 to the cost of a system by adding a $100 all-in-one unit. :confused:
 
headala said:
Yeah, I'll be interested to see several questions explored:
1) vibrations...does it vibrate, is that loud (to people who can hear), does it shorten mb/cpu life?
2) performance...does the design use the turning of the pump rotors to create turbulance over the block (like I think TN's alluded AC design was supposed to)
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The noise problem was the reason AC ditched it, I think. Since DDC's are not quiet and have a vibration issue I will be interested to see how Swiftech overcame these issues.

Here it is => http://swiftech.com/products/APOGEEDRIVE.asp
 
Integrated 3/8" barbs = turn-off

Otherwise a novel concept, I think I'll refer it to my friend who's thinking of watercooling his PC. Tried to talk him into getting a super-duper AquaComputer setup, but my power of persuasion seems to be sorely lacking...
 
i will be difinitely getting one, possible the dual 120 rad version and then converting my nautilus to cooling my 8800
 
n00btard said:
Integrated 3/8" barbs = turn-off

Otherwise a novel concept, I think I'll refer it to my friend who's thinking of watercooling his PC. Tried to talk him into getting a super-duper AquaComputer setup, but my power of persuasion seems to be sorely lacking...
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I wonder why they didn't use a G 1/4 fitting? Perhaps no room? The 3/8 barbs are a turn off for me as well. :(

Send your friend here. :D
 
I think a lot of lawyers are going to be making a lot of money about all this. I would bet Aqua Computer is going to issue a cease and desist request to Swiftech as they patented this idea with the German Patent Office over three (3) years ago. From the patent application I saw and their prototype this looks awfully similar.

Maybe now AC will get off their asses and produce this.



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Then they better get on the stick and deal with all the other companies that use a pump on the block. Where do you see the coping going on here outside of the pump on the block which has been around forever.............:eek:
 
Bio-Hazard said:
Then they better get on the stick and deal with all the other companies that use a pump on the block. Where do you see the coping going on here outside of the pump on the block which has been around forever.............:eek:
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First sentence made sense. The second sentence I have no idea what you meant to say.
 
It looks like the Coolermaster Aquagates also, which is actually a pretty good product.
 
madmat said:
Nope, the motor was designed by Chris Angel. It uses particulate anti matter from the nether regions... that and fairy dust.
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I heard you need to mix unicorn's blood into the water...though I think that was a rumor dispelled by Swiftech.
 
I'm new to water cooling, but I thought that if you have an overclocked dual or quad core, that a single 120mm rad wouldn't be enough to keep it cool? Or how about an 80mm?

My friend is back in Canada and he went to a local computer shop and they had the CM Aquagate Mini... it's only an 80mm rad, all built-in like this Swiftech looks to be. I told him I've been thinking of WC'ing, but I told him not to buy this because it might be a step down from a decent air cooling. (I know, off-topic). Am I correct or would it be better cooling?
 
madmat said:
Nope, the motor was designed by Chris Angel. It uses particulate anti matter from the nether regions... that and fairy dust.
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Got a link for that statement????? ROFL!

Or is that link on the fairy WWW, invisible to us mere mortals?:D
 
Citizen86 said:
I'm new to water cooling, but I thought that if you have an overclocked dual or quad core, that a single 120mm rad wouldn't be enough to keep it cool? Or how about an 80mm?
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Single 80mm? Never for a quad or an overclocked dually...

Now, let's see.

P (watts thermal) = C(V^2)(F) (C = capatence, V = 1.35, F = 1860)
= 0.02*1.35^2*1860
= 67w thermal for a dual core conroe running at about 1900mhz.

For a quad (Q6600):
0.025*1.35^2*2400
= 105 w thermal for a quad core Q6600 @ 2400mhz.

A single 120mm radiator with a 60cfm fan with a pump moving about 1.5GPM can dissipate around 150w of heat. It could easily do a stock conroe, quad or dual.

A single 80mm radiator (40cfm fan) can dump roughly 80w of heat to air (60% less surface area, 25% less airflow) which would do a conroe at stock... but not a quad core.

Just change the frequency and voltage values of the above equations to see how fast the heat dump rises! A quad running at 1.45v and 3.5ghz dumps almost 190w of heat into the loop! You'd need a double 120 rad just to cope with that!
 
Arcygenical said:
Single 80mm? Never for a quad or an overclocked dually...

Now, let's see.

P (watts thermal) = C(V^2)(F) (C = capatence, V = 1.35, F = 1860)
= 0.02*1.35^2*1860
= 67w thermal for a dual core conroe running at about 1900mhz.

For a quad (Q6600):
0.025*1.35^2*2400
= 105 w thermal for a quad core Q6600 @ 2400mhz.

A single 120mm radiator with a 60cfm fan with a pump moving about 1.5GPM can dissipate around 150w of heat. It could easily do a stock conroe, quad or dual.

A single 80mm radiator (40cfm fan) can dump roughly 80w of heat to air (60% less surface area, 25% less airflow) which would do a conroe at stock... but not a quad core.

Just change the frequency and voltage values of the above equations to see how fast the heat dump rises! A quad running at 1.45v and 3.5ghz dumps almost 190w of heat into the loop! You'd need a double 120 rad just to cope with that!
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That's what I was thinking. Thanks for the numbers.
 
Top Nurse said:
Anyone seen a review or know where one is being conducted?
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Gabe (Swiftecs CEO) stated they are already in reviewers hands and should be out by the end of the month. I contacted him yesterday and am awaiting a reply.

So, unless the status changed, we should know, *hopefully* this week or the start of next week.

Heres the link to the actual product with a thermal calculator of what this product will achieve.

http://www.swiftnets.com/products/H20-120-COMPACT.asp
 
Well it seems obvious how they resolved the vibration and noise problems associated with the DDC. They simply under volted the pump to 7 volts. Be interesting to see how all this works out.
 
Top Nurse said:
Well it seems obvious how they resolved the vibration and noise problems associated with the DDC. They simply under volted the pump to 7 volts. Be interesting to see how all this works out.
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Funny, according to the specs I'm seeing it states:
Apogee Drive 350 Self-Powered Waterblock
Motor: Electronically commutated, brushless DC, spherical motor.
Nominal Voltage:12 VDC
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That is pretty slick, 1/2 way decent parts in an all in one kit. Best of luck to Swiftech!
 
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