OrangeFire
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Anybody know when these are supposed to come out? I'm outta PCI slots, and I need a PCIe version.
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AGEIA will be launching a version of their card for PCI-Express x1 slots in 2007.
kirbyrj said:I wonder if there will be a price difference between PCIe and PCI versions of the card.
nhusby said:Thats probubly why the pci version is dropping in price...
kirbyrj said:I thought it was because no one was buying them .
OrangeFire said:How are they too late in the game? They released the very first PPU. Are there any others out there?
I just don't see how anyone can be too late if they are the first.
ChrisMorley said:It's good for them to have a PCI-E variant for no other reason than they are competing for PCI slot space with Creative Labs, and most of the time, Creative wins.
OrangeFire said:How are they too late in the game? They released the very first PPU. Are there any others out there?
I just don't see how anyone can be too late if they are the first.
ChrisMorley said:It's good for them to have a PCI-E variant for no other reason than they are competing for PCI slot space with Creative Labs, and most of the time, Creative wins.
Chernobyl1 said:Thats sure gonna piss off the early Physx adopters if the PCI-E part is more powerful and/or does communicate better.
HOCP4ME said:Or, better yet, I don't understand why mobo makers won't just go back to PCI and still make at least half of the expansion slots on their boards PCI-E. PCI-E has failed. It shows no useable performance benefit over PCI in anything except HDD cards and has vitually zero hardware support even after being in the market for years. Mobo makers should get over it and go back to PCI.
I doubt latency is that bad. PCI has latency, being that it's a shared bus (if another device is using the bus, the sound card has to wait). Thats what buffers are for. Keep a small cache of data for the fraction of a microsecond it takes to send the packet (as if one microsecond is going to make a difference. Creative probably just isn't making a PCI-E X-Fi because they effectively have a monopoly on the market and if they don't have to, they won't spend the money on it.theelectic said:PCIe has higher latency, making it unsuitable for sound cards (right now anyway) which is why you don't see the latest X-Fi in a PCIe version.
Use a high-performance RAID controller, gigabit PCI network adapter, and/or other high bandwidth devices and there is a clear difference. With old-school PCI, you're sharing about 150MB of bandwidth, half duplex, between ALL PCI devices in the machine. If you're transferring a file from your big mean RAID array over the network, then you get 75MB/s from RAID to RAM and 75MB/s from RAM to Net (gigabit network is 125MB/s full duplex, so 250MB/s total, which PCI is not even close to capable of).HOCP4ME said:Or, better yet, I don't understand why mobo makers won't just go back to PCI and still make at least half of the expansion slots on their boards PCI-E. PCI-E has failed. It shows no useable performance benefit over PCI in anything except HDD cards and has vitually zero hardware support even after being in the market for years. Mobo makers should get over it and go back to PCI.
Sloth said:Well thats what happens. Every computer enthusiast knows something bigger and better comes out every couple of months.
PhysX really needs a killer app for it to take off.
Yeah, and how many are there? Highpoint and Promise has a few fakeraid pci-e cards and about one real each. I was a real bitch finding a HW card for a server that only had pci-e. As HOCP4ME said, its a failure in practice. PCI-X on the other hand has all the cool demanding cards, so if the market is anything to go by Ageia should make a PCI-X card insteadPyromaneyakk said:Use a high-performance RAID controller, gigabit PCI network adapter, and/or other high bandwidth devices and there is a clear difference. With old-school PCI, you're sharing about 150MB of bandwidth, half duplex, between ALL PCI devices in the machine. If you're transferring a file from your big mean RAID array over the network, then you get 75MB/s from RAID to RAM and 75MB/s from RAM to Net (gigabit network is 125MB/s full duplex, so 250MB/s total, which PCI is not even close to capable of).
OrangeFire said:From what I have read, there is not a performance difference between the PCI and the PCIe versions. Other than the bus that the device occupies, what would be the real difference. If it fits, it fits, right?
kirbyrj said:And Creative said no X-fi on PCIe (a while back anyway). Guess we have to wait for their next audio processor to see a move to PCIe.
Dan_D said:Its because Creative is ignorant and "uncreative."
Their X-Fi sounded good on paper, but they've been more problematic than previous cards. I really wish that Creative was as diligent with their driver releases as the video card manufacturers, but alas they are not.
A PCIe X-Fi would be a hit amongst the gaming community. How about giving us something we'll actually use instead of BS Fatal1ty crap that's outrageously expensive and packed with features the gamer will never use.
theelectic said:PCIe has higher latency, making it unsuitable for sound cards (right now anyway) which is why you don't see the latest X-Fi in a PCIe version.
Also with PhysX IIRC the current version of the PPU can only use/address 128MB, making any more RAM useless (why ASUS quickly scrapped the 256MB PhysX, though there are a few out there). PhysX is not even using the full PCI bus but in term of things being future proof, it would be useful to have it on PCIe.
As long as the mobos I use have two PCI slots I'm golden, one for my X-Fi, the other for my PhysX card.
Good to know. I'm considering picking one of these PCIe cards up when the prices go down a little bit. For Ageia to really appeal to me, the price needs to be sub $150 and some blockbuster PhysX games need to come out.happy with my card. i love the PhysX. I wouldnt have room for anything other then PCI. But I would do the PCIE if I had the room and I was looking for a PhysX card.
Cell Factor and Unreal 3 engine based games. Vanguard and over 65 titles out in the next 1.5 yrs. Now it depends on how the developers utilizes the PhysX. Just like how they would for Havok. I personally think ATI and nVidia will do good, just not what Ageia can do.Good to know. I'm considering picking one of these PCIe cards up when the prices go down a little bit. For Ageia to really appeal to me, the price needs to be sub $150 and some blockbuster PhysX games need to come out.
That what I was waiting for. Was the PCIE vers before I grab one, I like the idea of having its own card. I not going SLI nor CF so I see this as a better option for me.
I like wat I saw with the ppu cards, I sure it will get better as games start to use it better, I dont really care what most of the nay sayers say. They can just not buy the card and go with ATI and Nvidia option.
I sure not about to buy a 8800gtx just for that alone,Bills is more important then 500 dollar video cards.
So I see the ppu card as a cheaper option, I feel it work best for those who do not want to shell out 500 on a 8800 or want ot do ati or nvidia idea. People needs to realize that not every one is like them with fast cars, Big houses so forth.
It might be a while when they come out who knows. I have a couple of games that supports it,I play all of them. When UT2k7 comes out and if its supports it.I will use it with UT2k7 also.
Even if ati and nvidia way might a tad better, I would in up spending more going there route then going to a 250 dollar ppu card. I an do the 250 ppu card But i not doing the ati/nvidia way and spend way more then 250 and cant pay the bills.
Thats sure gonna piss off the early Physx adopters if the PCI-E part is more powerful and/or does communicate better.
So CES is here and still no sign of the elusive PCI-e PPU