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but is the pixel response and input lag as good as VP2770?
The reviews I've read indicate it is very similar.
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but is the pixel response and input lag as good as VP2770?
So the AOC and the Viewsonic sound similar and the AOC is less expensive but yet it sounds like the Viewsonic is more "out of the box ready to go" without tweaking.
So the AOC and the Viewsonic sound similar and the AOC is less expensive but yet it sounds like the Viewsonic is more "out of the box ready to go" without tweaking.
Im actually going to revise my previous post a little. The color on my Viewsonic are not good at all. When I first opened it it was really yellow and I just figured I could adjust that out but after days of messing with the color setting I can't seem to get it right. Im wondering if mines screwed up, NCX said in his reviews that both the viewsonic and the 13" retina macbook are very accurate OOB, but I own both and they couldn't look more different sitting next to each other.
I don't own a retina MacBook Pro, so I cannot judge that. I do own an older 13-inch MacBook Pro and the Viewsonic VP2770. The Mac looks cool to me and the Viewsonic looks warmer.
When the two sit next to each-other it makes the Mac look blue and the Viewsonic look a little yellow. I think this is just the effect of having two monitors that have a different color temperature. In my opinion the colors on the Viewsonic look better than the colors on my Mac. My Mac has always leaned towards the cool side of things, whites look a little blueish. I tried a Dell U2412M and that looked extremely yellow next to my Mac, so much so I sent it back. To me the Viewsonic looks very good. It has a warmer tone than my Mac, but it looks more accurate to me.
If your Viewsonic is very yellow you may have a bad unit.
I haven't heard anyone say yet... has AOC been around for a while? I thought they were low end.
I think all this proves is just how much extreme variation there is in the manufacture of LCD panels. So much variation in fact that I'm starting to think monitor reviews in general are a complete waste, when three examples of the same panel can all look very, very different, whats the point?
I've always preferred color temp a little on the cool side for normal desktop use. Believe it or not I have a Dell U2412M also on my windows computer. It was pretty cool temp wise OOB and way less yellow than the Viewsonic. I think all this proves is just how much extreme variation there is in the manufacture of LCD panels. So much variation in fact that I'm starting to think monitor reviews in general are a complete waste, when three examples of the same panel can all look very, very different, whats the point?
Just got off the phone with Jeffrey at PCM. Here's his offer on the VP2770:
- $670
- $15 s/h have to CO by Friday (he states)
- Return with any pixel issues
- No restocking fee if packaged back up nicely
He said the Eizo would be $899 + the $15. I guess the upside of the Eizo is dropping the response time from 12ms to 6ms and none of the glow. But we're talking another $230. I do like the idea of the 1.07 billion colors on the VP2770. But...maybe that won't matter much.
I will say l liked the OSD menu on that AOC.
Just to clarify. Both monitors will have similar response times. Yes, the VP2770 and the EV2736W list different response times, but if you check out reviews they are very similar.
Also, unless you are using specific programs and workflows that use 1.07 billion colors, my understanding is it makes no difference. Both panels are actually only 8-bit, the Viewsonic uses FRC to make it 10-bit (1.07 billion color).
The real advantage of the EV2736W is that it maybe glow free, and you can find it cheaper else where. That is a good price for the VP2770. Don't forget the new AOC is a good option too. Really, they are all good monitors.
What do you all think of this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/30-Dell-Ult...5773?pt=Computer_Monitors&hash=item2c81223d2d
All 3 displays (Mac, U2412, VP2770) use different panel types and have different color presets, color gamuts and garbage monitors like the U2412 have been proven to vary wildly in terms of preset color and contrast performance so I wouldn't be surprised if it has a 9000k preset color temperature.
Just to clarify. Both monitors will have similar response times. Yes, the VP2770 and the EV2736W list different response times, but if you check out reviews they are very similar.
Also, unless you are using specific programs and workflows that use 1.07 billion colors, my understanding is it makes no difference. Both panels are actually only 8-bit, the Viewsonic uses FRC to make it 10-bit (1.07 billion color).
The real advantage of the EV2736W is that it maybe glow free, and you can find it cheaper else where. That is a good price for the VP2770. Don't forget the new AOC is a good option too. Really, they are all good monitors.
Ya...looks like the 12ms is not the GTG ms rating. Looking at the BenQ at NewEgg they have: "Reponse time: 12ms, 4ms (GtG)" which made me realize this. I thought it was interesting when the PCM rep was saying the response time on the VP2770 was 6ms.
Sit rep on the VP2770: It's falling apart.
The good news is, I finally got the color calibrated to where I'm pretty happy with it, not too warm not to cold. The bad news is, its developing pretty bad light leak in the lower left corner, not glow, bleed. And a nasty white spot about 1/4" across in the bottom middle of the screen on dark images, almost looks like a cluster of stuck pixels. I give my screens a very thorough once over when I first get them and neither of those things where there OOB. I guess thats modern LCD build quality for you.
I just ordered the AOC that keeps getting recommended in this thread so ill report back about that, I do like this PLS panel. Obviously the Viewsonic is going back.
Sit rep on the VP2770: It's falling apart.
The good news is, I finally got the color calibrated to where I'm pretty happy with it, not too warm not to cold. The bad news is, its developing pretty bad light leak in the lower left corner, not glow, bleed. And a nasty white spot about 1/4" across in the bottom middle of the screen on dark images, almost looks like a cluster of stuck pixels. I give my screens a very thorough once over when I first get them and neither of those things where there OOB. I guess thats modern LCD build quality for you.
I just ordered the AOC that keeps getting recommended in this thread so ill report back about that, I do like this PLS panel. Obviously the Viewsonic is going back.
Too bad about the Viewsonic. Unfortunate that the bleed showed up right when you got the calibration correct. At least you know if you get another warm monitor you can calibrate it to something you like. Who knows, perhaps the AOC won't be as warm.
About a year ago there were a few complaints involving the VP2770 and perhaps some other PLS panels that showed small eraser sized bright patches on the screen. The best guess at the time was that something was creating a pressure point during manufacturing that shouldn't have been touching the screen, creating this patch of bad pixels. This was never confirmed. I haven't heard any complaints in over a year, so I'm surprised it is back, but it is probably just luck of the draw and something weird happened to your unit.
Do you know the manufacture date of your unit? It should say on the box if you still have it, near the bar-code.
Also - how did you find the spot? I want to double check my display to make sure it has no such mark, although extensive tests have not revealed anything like that.
Manufacturer date 02/15/2014. I was watching a trailer on youtube and it was right there clear as day right below the picture in the bottom letterbox. It's always visible whenever that part of the screen is showing black. It isn't that noticeable with the room lights on, so it's possible I missed it on first inspection. But once the lights are off its very clear.
Too bad about the Viewsonic. Unfortunate that the bleed showed up right when you got the calibration correct. At least you know if you get another warm monitor you can calibrate it to something you like. Who knows, perhaps the AOC won't be as warm.
When do you expect to have the AOC setup ?
I have not personally tested a Tempest. They are the same as the Yamakasi 2b OC. Meaning they are LG-IPS. The Samsung S-PLS panels in the Qnix/XStar units are supposed to have better looking sub pixels and fewer quality issues in general.
The internal circuit boards in the 2b OC should be pretty much guaranteed 120hz. The ones in the tempest line should be as well, but overlord is sold out of everything but A- panel units with really bad pixel defect policies. It would appear IPS pixels are slightly easier to overclock as well. The Qnixs I have received will do 100hz happily but not 120. It makes little difference to me. Qnix=300-400usd (I went through Amazon and paid 385 for guaranteed perfect pixel units that arrived from Korea in less than 2 days.)
Yamakasi catleap 2b =600-700
Tempest = 400 for a-
Edit: I'm seeing reports that even on the IPS monitors that do 120Hz, there is often a hissing noise and some light artifacting on occasion. I simply cannot recommend an expensive IPS that might get 15-20Hz more with no real benefit other than a very slight gain on blur reduction and the ability to avoid 3:4 pulldown at 120Hz... just like 96Hz. I can tell you that I'm picky (I've personally ordered FIVE Eizo FG2421's and only kept one) and I'm 2/2 on Qnix QX2710s, they are both keepers. Strangely, one is better than the other, which makes it a real find... and I scratched it slightly >< The one I scratched has a calibrated contrast ratio of 975:1, which is about as good as it gets for PLS/IPS. The other is a measured post calibration contrast ratio of 850:1 and while it's very hard to tell the difference, one can play with dark grays and browns a little bit better than the other.
Seems somewhat common to have a problem when you receive one of these monitors.
Yep, honestly it doesn't matter what you get. The panel lottery is basically something you have to play no matter what monitor you choose. Quality control sucks on monitors these days. Thats why I only buy from amazon, I don't even look at other retailers, they make it so easy to return I don't mind if they are a few bucks higher.
Just got my AOC setup. It's basically the same display as the vp2770, except with allot less bleed and was much happier with the oob color. The only problem is there is a big fat dead pixel right in the center of the screen. It's far to noticeable to ignore so ill probably exchange it. Otherwise the screen is great.