Xbox 360 leaves PC's in the dust

[texuspete00]

Let's be honest xbox360 cost $430 at least. $300 is the ploy so people will say things like "it costs $300" . Need another controller too. Xbox live would be nice also...

PC hardware blown up like some of the xbox fans are insinuates high end hardware all the time. Bleeding edge at there price quotes. That costs money. For more moderate upgrades you'll always have something nice, that doesn't look dated, that will happen again you know.

yes it's a hell of a lot cheaper than a PC, and I guess if you don't have have the cash and your rig is already aging then go ahead and try and take a break. My PC is already a certified "gamer" by any standards, why the doom and gloom? If you let your nice GTX sit idle and collect dust or sell it, well, fine for you. I won't be. I liev in the moment. I've been playing BF2 now, and will probably play Quake 4 before the xbox 360 which I might even be buying. Until then I kick up my feet and don't worry about it.

And yes, some need to seem to be reminded that this doom and gloom is every console launch. The heated rivalry between xbox and sony has maybe raised the bar to buy them a couple more months then usual as best. disclaimer: I believe the skepticism on the cpu side as well. Read about them.

 

[synergyo1]

I think I'll skip this round of consoles.... I'll let my roommate buy one up. Can't beat free

 

[sp187mf9]

I dont understand why people argue which one is best. Console's are great because their cheap, their lifespan is about 5 years, and their is a huge variety of games. PC gaming is always pushing pc's to become faster and more powerful, they make sure that technology will keep on progressing. And pc's are not only for gaming they have many uses. The only thing I dont like about pc's they cost a lot of money. I will always have a console and pc, I love them both equally.

 

[[Fate]Doom]

Conoles are pathetic. Skimped down computers made to be priced under 400$ and are simplified to a power plug, main box, and dinky controller. Consoles are PC's for retards.

PC elitists are the worst.....

ME SPEND $4000 ON ME PC AND MAKE FUN OF CONSOLES. ME SIT AND BENCHMARK ME PC 24/7 TRYING TO GET 100 PTS MORE ON 3D MARK TO MAKE ME E-WEEN SEEM BIGGER. I AM SO SCARED A $179 BOX CAN PERFORM ON PAR WITH ME SUPER RIG THAT I MUST MAKE FUN OF DUM DUM CONSOLE USERS. DUM DUM CONSOLE NO RUN AQUAMARK LOLLERS!!! ME SPEND $1000 MORE AND ME GET 45 FPS IN NEW GAME.

I think PC users like you have console envy. That is the only reason there is so much hostility. If being retarded is having a good game selection, no hassles, and not spending money on upgrades every few months because game "X" doesn't run well then being retarded is a good thing.

God forbid a little $399 console makes your ego deflate.

 

[legcramp]

ummmm actually no! PC runs the games that looks way better than current consoles.. yes.. you dont need SLI cards or top cpu's... only to play at MAX settings etc... U can build a pretty cheap computer and run games on LOW settings that looks like consoles yes

 

[TrueRush]

Controllers are garbage. I hate playing with those fruity little joysticks and gay colored bubble buttons, I REALLY dislike consoles.

believe or not the consoles will be the future.

 

[Kevin Lowe]

woohooo brag all you want.. no one cares..

Then why the hell did you reply?

Anyway, I'm looking forward to the 360. I think I'll get out of the PC upgrade race for a couple years and just enjoy some big-screen, surround-sound, lay-on-the-couch-with-a-beer gaming. Some better speakers and a new amp, and I'll have a great setup for gaming that beats the crap out of my computer.

 

[booGamiHXC]

I'd take a Nintendo Revolution.

 

[Pkirk618]

I don't know, give me a keyboard, bandwith and a mouse with this 360 and Im there. It'd be my home away from PC but it wont replace my PC.

 

[Ozymandias]

what kind of dope would hook up a 360 to a tiny computer monitor? these new generation of consoles are made for large screens and in the case of the 360 will look best on a high def large screen television.

So true. If you're going to be playing with your friends on the couch (which is something I'm sure almost everyone has done at some point or another) do you wanna stare at (best case here) a 30" monitor? Hell no, no matter what resolution it's running at! You wanna have the latest 52" TV or projector, so you can enjoy games in their full, graphical glory. Do you really think that someone with a regular 32" TV is going to have the same picture as someone who's got a 52" HDTV? So, for the average Joe, how close do you think they're going to get to all those screen shots that everyone's slobbering over? I mean, it'll be close, but it just won't be the same. It'll be like running two identical systems with 7800GTXes, but one's connected to a 1024x768 15" LCD and the other's on a 2405FPW running @ 1920x1200 (not that I'm saying all PC users have a 2405FPW- but *most* have something that can at least display 1280x1024). It'll be close, but it's just not the same.

anyway, what dope would play games on a monitor? oh thats right, thousands of pc gamers...

PC gamers can get away with "tiny computer monitors" because of two things:
1) We sit about 2-3 feet away from our monitors- they fill up our field of vision, even if they're smaller than TVs. A TV has to be large to produce the same effect, because they're further away.
2) There aren't exactly many split-screen games out for the PC, so any gaming with friends is going to be over the LAN or Internet. In which case, you get a whole screen to yourself.

 

[Siciliano]

I have a strong belief that this console generation will push features on the pc that still aren't used fully into the mainstream for PC games. I notice that alot of SS' for Xbox 360 games show heavy use of normal mapping and all those other great features that were only seen in so many PC titles. I am not saying PC doesn't use these features, I just think the heavy dose of those features used in console games will make them more normally used on the PC.

 

[Mister E]

Console gamers are getting a big BIG increase in gaming power with the X360 thats for sure. But they still wont be able to run games at the kind of resolutions that PC's can. PC's will always be more versitile than consoles. And they'll always cost more too. But that's ok with me.

 

[GFreeman9]

who cares that it uses a controller!!!! They make adapters for keyboard and mice for consoles. I knew someone who used one for halo2!!!

 

[Hobbit89]

When I can choose to play every console FPS with a keyboard and mouse as well as be able to download and use community created mods for those games, I'll say the PC is dead. Until then though, the consoles have nothing on the PC for games that count for me (FPS/MMO).

Same here dude! i dislike the controlers, i have to Pay for online play( excluding 360), i cant use mouse/kbd (at least not very effichently), i cant load mods............. Yeah......... i agree.

 

[ShuttleLuv]

Meh. They're making you buy a $762 bundle (with tax) up front, so I see nothing special. Another thing about the launch of Xbox 360 is the lack of a killer app. I'll still probably buy one though.

 

[Dudeyourlame]

if it doesnt work with world of warcraft or counter strike and you cant use a keyboard and mouse for controls then its crap in my eyes

 

[KrakenGuy]

Mouse > Joystick

Screw X-Box and Playstation. First person shooters were never made to be played on console, they were designed for a mouse.

 

[Soul.Survivor]

Yes, eventually every part will be replaced, but its a cycle. A concole can never be upgraded and has no cycle. Once no one likes the XBOX360 anymore in 2 years its gonna go to ebay for 40$ guaranteed.

That's got to be the worst argument ever, even if it's only 2 years, which it won't be, more like 5, who cares if you have to replace it? It costs less than a VIDEO CARD. How much is my 7800GTX going to be worth in 2 years? $100??? Get real. For the price I paid for my PC I could buy a 42"-50" HDTV and an Xbox 360.

Consoles keep everyone on an even keel whereas with PCs you're constantly having to get new hardware just to keep up. They also keep cheaters out. I can't tell you how many games have been RUINED by little script kiddie cheaters. If they can get full, adjustable keyboard and mouse support and support for all kinds of usb controllers like joysticks and wheels I'll probably get a next gen console and a big ass tv. Plus, the games have sooooo much more variety. Have you seen the new Rainbow 6 for XBox? Looks sweet to me.

The XBox kinda sucked because it only did 480p but with the new ones doing 720p they should look great on the right tv.

The only argument for PCs is that by the time the next Xbox comes out PC hardware will be a couple years ahead of it. And a few select types of games play well on PCs like MMORPGs and FPSs but mabey not for much longer.

 

[gtx4u]

Consoles are good for : Fighting games, sport games, racing games, platform games, rpg games, puzzle games, horror-survival games.

PC gaming are mainly aimed at : Firstperson shooting, MMORPGs, strategy games, rpg games, simulation games.

The fact that a 300 dollar console can outperform possibly a 6800 Ultra sli setup is quite hard to belive, obviously some 1 is getting ripped off and some 1 is getting richer.

But never forget that in order to make console games look good you'll need a really good and big HD-TV, because traditional T.V. ( 4:3 aspect ratios only supports 640x480 or lower..). So if ur thinking of getting 1280x720p or 1920x1080p out of just 300 dollar console think again...

PC can do many things that consoles, such as e-mailing, use the internet for what ever purpose, such as dling porn, you can design new stuff on a computer use what program that'll benefit ur career.

Also PC games tends to be more flexible and have longer durability, such as being able to open up the CONSOLE in doom3 and Half life 2, being able to install thousands of custom MODS and Maps single or multiplayer. While console games tend to be a one-way ticket

Lol even a stupid HALO 2 Multiplayer mappack requires money to buy.

 

[gtx4u]

That's got to be the worst argument ever, even if it's only 2 years, which it won't be, more like 5, who cares if you have to replace it? It costs less than a VIDEO CARD. How much is my 7800GTX going to be worth in 2 years? $100??? Get real. For the price I paid for my PC I could buy a 42"-50" HDTV and an Xbox 360.

Consoles keep everyone on an even keel whereas with PCs you're constantly having to get new hardware just to keep up. They also keep cheaters out. I can't tell you how many games have been RUINED by little script kiddie cheaters. If they can get full, adjustable keyboard and mouse support and support for all kinds of usb controllers like joysticks and wheels I'll probably get a next gen console and a big ass tv. Plus, the games have sooooo much more variety. Have you seen the new Rainbow 6 for XBox? Looks sweet to me.

The XBox kinda sucked because it only did 480p but with the new ones doing 720p they should look great on the right tv.

The only argument for PCs is that by the time the next Xbox comes out PC hardware will be a couple years ahead of it. And a few select types of games play well on PCs like MMORPGs and FPSs but mabey not for much longer.

Obviously ur complaining because you paid too much money for your PC and having sucky performance, I bet ur one of those people that buys what ever ALIENWARE.com is selling aren't you?

 

[Requiem]

Obviously ur complaining because you paid too much money for your PC and having sucky performance, I bet ur one of those people that buys what ever ALIENWARE.com is selling aren't you?

Uh... he is arguing FOR the 360. You can get a 3000+ Venice, 6600GT, and a gig of Corsair XMS RAM for very low prices. It is not necessary to buy the newest stuff. I have a 6800GT that I overclock and I am able to play all of the newest games at 1280x1024 with everything turned on. My LCD monitor doesn't support higher resolutions, so this is fine with me.
Regarding the title of this thread... IT IS NOT PC'S.

USE YOUR HEAD PEOPLE.

 

[gtx4u]

Uh... he is arguing FOR the 360. You can get a 3000+ Venice, 6600GT, and a gig of Corsair XMS RAM for very low prices. It is not necessary to buy the newest stuff. I have a 6800GT that I overclock and I am able to play all of the newest games at 1280x1024 with everything turned on. My LCD monitor doesn't support higher resolutions, so this is fine with me.
Regarding the title of this thread... IT IS NOT PC'S.

USE YOUR HEAD PEOPLE.

Can you play the Fear demo at 1280x1024 on 4x AA and 16x AF with no FPS slower than 45?

 

[Requiem]

Can you play the Fear demo at 1280x1024 on 4x AA and 16x AF with no FPS slower than 45?

That is a trick question, because the Fear demo does not have 1280x1024 as an option. However, I can play it at 1280x960 with everything on. It might go under 45, but never under 30 for periods of time long enough so that I can distinguish the difference.

 

[Siciliano]

The thing with consoles and graphics is that it is a constant platform, so devs can do little tricks here and there to keep up with PC's. Specially now that Xbox 360 will actually have a 1 up on pc's at launch and a more up to date feature set that is much more versitile then the Xbox was with DX 8 ever was.

But hell, look at what they are doing with the Xbox hardware these days, it's down right amazing and a few years ago, I woulda said CoR was impossible on the Xbox, yet somehow they made it happen. They even managed to make Doom 3 look pretty damn good on really old hardware.

Xbox 360 will problably keep up with PC's now since it only has to do HDTV resolution on a card that could problably be a good performer at 1600x1200 on a pc and still be able to use AA and AF and special tricks to get even more performance on a constant platform, it is a really good buy for people who don't wanna put down 700-1000 for a new pc. Controller is a minor concern, I go back and forth, I just put up with slightly slower turning in FPS's on the console.

 

[Yoshiyuki Blade]

Even though consoles are significantly different from PCs, it's kind of funny how people spend like $800 on an FX-57 primarily for games.

It's hard to believe that someone who bought an FX series processor also wants to take advantage of its "everyday" or "heavy work" computer usage as well. If so then they just wasted a lotta money when an x2 could do far better than that (in terms of multitasking, using multithreaded apps etc).

Another guy on this forum immediately regretted buying an FX-57 because of the fact that it can't do shit for games when running something like WinRAR in the background, and there's also been tests to show that an x2 could beat an FX with "everyday" stuff running in the background (Internet browser, music player, etc). He eventually went for an exchange, and is loving it now.

The great thing about consoles is that it's mostly just plug and play. Most people in the world have a TV already, and having a system hooked up to it, and only having to pop in a disc to play is a convenience that most people like to have. Convenience is the key for consoles, and now they have enough power to keep up with technology for at least a while.

And for people who argue about how they prefer mouse and keyboard over controllers: That's great, but I'd rather play fighting games or side-scrollers with my controller than a mouse and keyboard any day. FPS games aren't the only games in the world, but they just dominate the PC gaming market. What a coincidence, so is the mouse and keyboard.

 

[Tov]

I'd personally like to see the devs utilitize the 3 processors in the xbox within the time frame that PCs are behind. Again probably will not happen till the end of the 360's lifecycle.

 

[[Fate]Doom]

I'd personally like to see the devs utilitize the 3 processors in the xbox within the time frame that PCs are behind. Again probably will not happen till the end of the 360's lifecycle.

You know whats messed up? Gears of War has been up and running on final dev kits for about 10 days and Cliffy says currently its all on one core.

To me that speaks volumes of the future power that is there to be tapped.

 

[Cantonious]

It's a great time to be a gamer, I don't care who you are or what you prefer.
Enjoy it.

 

[gtx4u]

That is a trick question, because the Fear demo does not have 1280x1024 as an option. However, I can play it at 1280x960 with everything on. It might go under 45, but never under 30 for periods of time long enough so that I can distinguish the difference.

Everything on as in 1280x960 with every setting on HIGH quality, and 4x AA and 16x AF +Nvidias Highest quality settings to kill shimmering with no slow downs?

 

[soulsaver_8229]

...this is old news but the more I thought about how advanced this box really is compared to the PC. I mean 48 pipelines and 3 powerpc core and msrp of $300. I mean it beats the most powerful gaming pc in every department: performance and price.

I shouldn't really have bought the 7800gtx. This thing costs 500 bucks and the xbox is only 300. Most of the time, games for the consoles are better (that's debatable actually).

I don't see the point of upgrading to the latest amd cpu's or graphics card when you have this thing.

The only reason to continue with pc gaming is games like CS:S, fps, etc; but these games are going to be ported eventually anyway (ie far cry).

http://www.bit-tech.net/columns/2005/05/13/xbox_360_pc_enthusiasts/1.html

key word, gaming PC.......but can the xbox rip dvd's, download mp3's, burn dvd/mp3's, chat, web broswe.....ummm upload pics from your digi cam, word process, can you hook a scan/fax/printer to it and use them? can you play any MMORPG (btw millions of people play mmo's) can you render 3d images, can you photoshop on it?

you can game on it and thats alll........it will have no bareing over who buys pc's and who buy xboxes.......people will continue buying both......some more then others will buy diffrent

this isnt the end of the "gamings pc"

just more wispers and rumors and drama mill stuff.......

anyhoo, i never was a fan of consoles.......man playing halo on xbox sucks so much ass sir mix a lot would be in hevan, after using a keyboard for games im so much more comfy with it, more programable buttons, and better accury...

and tell me somthing, with craptacular games out like dragon ball z......for those who havent played it, it takes about 10 seconds to do a move......
im guessing there are other games like that for xbox and newer xbox.....so im guessing that no this isnt the end of all gaming pc and crap.......

ah well /rant off

soulsaver

 

[GFreeman9]

I'd personally like to see the devs utilitize the 3 processors in the xbox within the time frame that PCs are behind.

The xbox 360 does not have three processors it has one processor with three cores. There is a difference.

Secondly all those games you saw at E3 this year were running on computer hardware. Also from the recent previews, that may have been running a xbox 360 I saw fps (frames per second in this case) sucked. Until I see an xbox 360 running in person better than a computer then I'll be convinced .

 

[Bender316]

All those games you saw at E3 this year were running on computer hardware. Also from the recent previews, that may have been running a xbox 360 I saw fps (frames per second in this case) sucked. Until I see an xbox 360 running in person better than a computer then I'll be convinced .

Yeah, I agree. A screenie on a high-def screen is one thing. On my 32" CRT PAL (or NTSC for US) TV is another - what will it look like there. I know I am not buying a HD TV for a long time, and I already have 1280x1024 on my TFT on my PC compared to the 600x520 on PAL. I spend about £100 ($200) every 3 months on my PC (inc. games), and I have a nice gaming PC which does everything else too.

The main problem I have with Consoles is that if they supersede PC's for gaming, then we will be under the thumb of MS and Sony for gaming technology. Same with Game developers. You'll need to be in MS's or Sony's pocket to get anywhere, especially with multi-core coding.

PC's aren't a lot better because there's only ATI/Nvidia, or Intel/AMD, but at least the interfaces are open property for anyone to develop for, and if you don't want to spend the money you can get a 6600GT instead of a 7800GT. Xbox 360 and PS3 - you only have 2 choices. That is not a good thing in a consumer society.

 

[GFreeman9]

The main problem I have with Consoles is that if they supersede PC's for gaming, then we will be under the thumb of MS and Sony for gaming technology.

As PC gamers I believe we are already under the thumb of Microsoft. I mean that is unless you are using Linux or OSX.

 

[jebo_4jc]

This whole thread is flamebait.

There are upsides and downsides to both models. I can’t tell you how many times my friends and I have brought our computers together to play some LAN games, and spent half the night running Ethernet cables, fixing proxy settings, downloading patches, no-cd cracks, etc, and mostly wishing we were just playing Halo. I am looking forward to the new consoles because of their ease of use and multiplayer aspect, but I will probably always have a gaming pc as well, just because you can’t recreate a MMO or an RTS or even an FPS on a console as well as you can on a pc.

 

[GFreeman9]

. I can’t tell you how many times my friends and I have brought our computers together to play some LAN games, and spent half the night running Ethernet cables, fixing proxy settings, downloading patches, no-cd cracks, etc, and mostly wishing we were just playing Halo. I am looking forward to the new consoles because of their ease of use and multiplayer aspect, but I will probably always have a gaming pc as well

Yeah I definitely do hate that. Not only do you need to set everything up for a PC LAN, but carrying the case (I have a stacker so you can guess how much I like carrying that around) also the wires, monitors, etc. Now I have to do this all so I can play. Nobody else just me. With a console its a little box you bring it over. I'm assuming where you are going the person has a TV. Plug it in and now four people can play.

 

[Dillusion]

believe or not the consoles will be the future.

So businesses will be using consoles as servers? And one day everyone will be carrying around an PS9 instead of laptops? Nice.

(Not to the quote) And stop bitching about PC's being so expensive. It's a hobby. If you can't afford to upgrade your PC then don't, go play your consoles. If you have the money, you spend it, if you dont- You buy a console. End of story.

 

[Dan_D]

Thats really pathetic. Like really pathetic.

It's a joke dude. Nothing more.

 

[tesfaye]

Console gamers are getting a big BIG increase in gaming power with the X360 thats for sure. But they still wont be able to run games at the kind of resolutions that PC's can...

If I have been reading all of the articles about the Sony and MS consoles correctly, they will support 1080i or 1080p(I think Sony will support 1080p) and at no less than 60fps. Running 1920x1080 is a smidge more taxing than 1600x1200 so your assumption is incorrect.

PC's will always be more versitile than consoles. And they'll always cost more too...

For now that is very true.

 

[tesfaye]

The xbox 360 does not have three processors it has one processor with three cores. There is a difference.

What might that be? Either way you have to program and coordinate code to run on three processing units whether they reside on one chip or several. Unless you are implying that the XBOX 360 processor has three cores and has some way of delegating tasks to each of the three cores and I think thats the case.

 

[texuspete00]

If I have been reading all of the articles about the Sony and MS consoles correctly, they will support 1080i or 1080p(I think Sony will support 1080p) and at no less than 60fps. Running 1920x1080 is a smidge more taxing than 1600x1200 so your assumption is incorrect.

Console support not equal to game support. MS and Sony will be indicating you must support up to say 720p or so on. Industry insiders have the added support as moot. As in, with 1% of HDTV's being 1080p sets (how much market is that on the whole?), very few Sony games will go up there. With the power they have they want to get people on HDTV so it's not totally squandered, coding for 1080p holds back other modes and simply won't be done grandscale. Another person who reads half of whats out there and jumps. PS3 will not be rendering all of it's games in 1080p, the minority in fact.

On the cpu side, we know all about multi-threading and the new challenges this presents to devellopers. I don't know, really seems like people get caught up in the whole 3>1 thing. On there own they are very simplistic cores, simplified beyond the G5 and so on. They will have to get good at multithreading just to catch up. Since you guys like numbers so much, did you know that an athlon 64's 1 core with 1 meg cache is 106million transistors? While Xbox's triple core w/1 meg cache is 165million total? They are downright simpletons on there own. Transistor count does not equal performance, especially when the counts would come from just a gigantic cache or a myriad of smaller cores. I thought with san diego's and xenon both sporting 1 meg cache you might start to believe that they are simple on there own. It just really puts it in perspective for some of you guys or it should. It's the athlon and pentiums that have robust branch prediction and so on. Do you guys know that SPE's on cell have no branch prediction capabilities AT ALL? Fact of the matter is, none of these cores are worth much at all on there own. Programmers learning how to make sense of these things isn't just a chore, they blow goats on there own. Cpu side they're behind already.