XBOX 360 HD-DVD problems..

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So based upon research and suggestions I went and got an XBOX 360 HD-DVD Drive. I have it set up through my Windows Vista Home Premium HTPC, using PowerDVD Ultra & AnyDVD HD (which is supposed to block the HDCP requirements I believe). Unfortunately no matter what HD-DVD I stick in the drive (which did get recognized by Windows Vista just fine), PowerDVD starts trying to play the disk then gives an HDCP-related error.

Shouldn't ANYDVD HD be blocking these requirements? I read on multiple sites (even the AnyDVD HD site @ Slysoft.com) that it should remove the HDCP requirements. What am I doing wrong? Can someone help me figure out what I can do to make this HD-DVD drive work properly?
 
you sure the anydvd isn't removing the DRM just when it is ripping the HD-DVD?

is it suppose to do it during playback off the disc?
 
When you insert the disc does the anydvd hd tray icon pop up telling you it is preparing your disc for playback? You need to wait a few seconds then fire up powerdvd. This is what I do with my bluray drive.
 
Double checking the website, I see that the AnyDVD HD software actually lists the removal of pesky HDCP requirements for "digital playback", and boasts how it decrypts on the fly.

Danman: I hadn't actually waited that long. Insertion of the HD-DVD into the drive causes PowerDVD to autolaunch. Maybe I should turn that option off in PowerDVD?
 
what graphics card are you using?

Despite having an HDCP monitor, AnyDVD and meeting system requirements (other than my graphics card) I couldn't get anything to play correctly.

I ended up upgrading my ATI X800XT to an Nvidia 7900GS and it works perfectly now.
 
djphatic said:
what graphics card are you using?

Despite having an HDCP monitor, AnyDVD and meeting system requirements (other than my graphics card) I couldn't get anything to play correctly.

I ended up upgrading my ATI X800XT to an Nvidia 7900GS and it works perfectly now.
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Son of a...
I've got an ATI X800XT also. Hmm, I think I just found my problem component.
I have suspected that I would have to replace that graphics card at some point, just hoped it would not have to be so soon.

EDIT: Also, I'm looking for a video card that's GREAT for HTPC's, preferrably NVIDIA.. and doesn't cost more than $150. Can anyone make some recommendations? I am really starting to get sick of this ATI X800XT.
 
I think you can get a nvidia 7600, which is the cheapest one w/ HDCP support (I read this somewhere on AVG forums)
 
Sometimes AnyDVD works for some people, sometimes it doesn't. You would have to keep it up to date everytime they do revocation keys anyhow. It is a pain in the butt. The best thing to do is go with a video card and monitor that supports HDCP. Some ATI cards people have problems with, so I'd recommend nvidia. In my new HTPC, I just had to drop in a Nvidia 8600GT instead of a ATI 2600HD for these reasons. (drivers and hdcp not working properly with the ati card)
 
w1retap said:
Sometimes AnyDVD works for some people, sometimes it doesn't. You would have to keep it up to date everytime they do revocation keys anyhow. It is a pain in the butt. The best thing to do is go with a video card and monitor that supports HDCP. Some ATI cards people have problems with, so I'd recommend nvidia. In my new HTPC, I just had to drop in a Nvidia 8600GT instead of a ATI 2600HD for these reasons. (drivers and hdcp not working properly with the ati card)
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Well I find it no coincidence that several folks over at the AVS forums are also complaining about the ATI X800XT cards in their HTPC's as well. I did some research and found several folks commenting on the Geforce 7600GS (as suggested above by a responder to this thread), so I bought a nice fanless ASUS Geforce 7600GS from Newegg.com , should arrive tomorrow. Hopefully after I flush out the drivers and install the new card things will even out and start behaving.

I find it interesting that the new card is coming with S-Video to Component HDTV Video adaptors. This presents an interesting conundrum for me: Keep my DVI-to-HDMI adaptor, or try Component Video?
 
DVI-->HDMI, as it is all digital. Keep it that way. :cool: Going to component would be a downgrade.
 
the 8500 and 8600 hardware decode hd streams but only in vista. i thought it was a rumor but i posted about it and it was confirmed.
 
So I updated my video drivers, reinstalled AnyDVD-HD .. and reinstalled PowerDVD Ultra. I can now play regular DVD's through the HD-DVD Drive just fine, and they actually look real nice coming through PowerDVD. HD-DVD Playback is another issue, however. On HD DVD's I can actually play it, and I can hear the trailer and start menu audio... but I don't see any video. By clicking around and guessing I can interact with the menu (that I can't see), and even hear the movie start up. Still yields no video, however.

Checking the Cyberlink website only yields the tip that they seem to think I have a Dual Monitor setup, and that I need to reconfigure for a single monitor setup in order for PowerDVD to work. However, I don't actually have a dual monitor setup.. just 1 connection to the TV via DVI-to-HDMI cable. They don't have any other tips or recommendations beyond this.

Can anyone help me figure this out?
 
did you do as the other guy suggested and turn off the auto play on the dvd playback software and let ANYDVDHD load first, then launch your dvd playback software? i know it was always that way with ANY DVD
 
Do you have an HDCP compatible monitor/projector hooked up to your HDCP enabled graphics card via HDMI or DVI? If not, all of our recommendations might or might not work.

The only thing I can recommend from this point is install the *latest* version of AnyDVD and let it load up first before you open PowerDVD. Once your disk is inserted and AnyDVD is recognizing your disk (up to 30 sec), then start up PowerDVD. If you get successful playback, good. If not, you are still out of luck and need HDCP compatible components. AnyDVD works for some, not all.
 
did you also update your nvidia drivers? and also did you run a driver cleaner after uninstalling the old ones?
 
yang88she said:
did you also update your nvidia drivers? and also did you run a driver cleaner after uninstalling the old ones?
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The new video card is on order, and hasn't arrived yet. I was mostly tweaking and reinstalling last night, just from the sake of boredom. So I am still using the ATI X800XT. I'm getting the new video card today, so I guess it's moot to worry about anything until I install it THEN try.

And thanks for reminding me, I'll go download driver cleaner today in preperation.
 
Just curious, why did you put money in the older 7x series cards when an 8500 will suit your needs perfectly for around the same cost?
 
Vader said:
Just curious, why did you put money in the older 7x series cards when an 8500 will suit your needs perfectly for around the same cost?
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Well primary thing , I found a quite extensive list of people using 7600's in their HTPC's with success. Second reason, the cheapest 8500 I can find is $70.. while I found a nice fanless ASUS Geforce 7600 for only $50 from Newegg. (Free shipping no less.) Also, according to the Nvidia website.. the 7600 has hardware acceleration while the 8500 series isn't listed as having that. I guess I made a known-safe assumption and worked from that point, if that makes any sense?

(It made sense in my head.) :D
 
The 8500/8600 have accelerated support, but on top of that they also do VP2 decoding under Vista for HDDVD/Blu-ray. The max I see with any of my HDDVD's is ~20% CPU usage.
 
w1retap said:
The 8500/8600 have accelerated support, but on top of that they also do VP2 decoding under Vista for HDDVD/Blu-ray. The max I see with any of my HDDVD's is ~20% CPU usage.
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Where do you find the stats for stuff like that? I seem to be remarkably bad at finding this information when I need it, heh.
 
I just read hardware reviews, look at product specs on their websites, and talk to the fellow [H] members here before I buy. There's tons of info out there on the web.
 
w1retap said:
I just read hardware reviews, look at product specs on their websites, and talk to the fellow [H] members here before I buy. There's tons of info out there on the web.
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Well I am hoping that this 7600 will do the job adequately, but still be nice and quiet (since it is fanless) in my HTPC. We will have to see tho, if it performs sub-par I may just have to swap it out for an 8500.
 
So I took a hint from w1retap , and did some investigating. I borrowed a friend's Geforce 7600, and tested it in my HTPC. And boy am I glad I did. Could NOT get any resolutions to cooperate, picture quality was horrible.. and while it will run HD-DVD playback it almost pegs my CPU meter doing so. Playback is jittery and poor.

Needless to say, when I got the video card today I just sent it back to NewEgg. They've agreed to RMA it (since it's unopened), and I ordered an 8500 that should do the job quite nicely.

Thanks for the tips, everyone. I really think this is starting to come together finally.
 
w1retap said:
Good, hopefully it works out for you. :)
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Ok so I've got everything installed and working just wizzer.

Kinda.

I get playback, super nice quality.. but the 163.44 Nvidia Drivers that I had to use (the normal release ones wouldn't be recognized as HDCP by PowerDVD) apparently have some annoying "Desktop Resize" option that kicks on for desktop but OFF when I'm viewing stuff in fullscreen with PowerDVD. So while viewing stuff in PowerDVD Fullscreen, it actually downsizes by about 1 inch all around the desktop.

Now I found this link that shows the problem as being PowerDVD apparently not showing in 1080i as I have my desktop set to.. but 480i / 480p. (Another annoying thing about the 163.44 drivers, they don't have 1080p listed, where as the WHQL release drivers that don't work as HDCP.. DO have 1080p. BLARGH!) Can anyone give me some tips to configuring this for optimal performance?
 
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