X-fi Vista Fix

[SmackDizzle]

Creative is really a pathetic company. Dont even chime in with the usual, be patient, it's just a beta, and all that crap. My point is this, I would typically be patient and not nearly as demanding with a small company operating on significantly less profit margin, However Creative is no small company, they operate on HUGE, RIDICULOUS PROFIT MARGINS. $200-$400 for a SoundCard deserves absolutely TOP-NOTCH Support. They barely make an effort, Why? because you cant do shit about it! No real competition, and they are laughing at the whole situation. THERE IS NO EXCUSE NOT TO HAVE AN ANSWER TO VISTA EVERY STEP OF THE WAY! Hell, they still have known unresolved problems with NF4 boards and XP. I look forward to the day that creative is just a distant memory and a couple of New, Hungry companies are battling it out every year to bring us the latest greatest tech with REAL SUPPORT!! PEACE!

 

[cburwell]

I would disagree with what you are saying about Creative's support of their hardware on Vista. The way I look at it is that Vista is not even an offical release yet, so I don't think that they, or any other, company have an obligation to provide support for their hardware on an unsupported platform at this time.

I have a different view on their issues with current hardware and Windows XP. In that case I do think that they have an obligation to fix any problems that people are reporting in a timley manner.

Good luck with everything!

 

[eeyrjmr]

is Vista released? NO so STFU!

Vista is in Beta (well a release candidate) to correct problems within Vista, ergo there is a chance some core parts of Vista will change

To say Creative don't have Vista drivers just shows yr ignorance. Creative more then likely do have Vista drivers they just havn't made them public.

Once Vista is out in the wild commercially believe me when I say creative will make their drivers available

 

[SmackDizzle]

just the sort of dumbass response I expected.

 

[eeyrjmr]

There is/was a mad sketch that was "snappy answers to stupid questions"

if you ask stupid question or dumb-ass rants what do you expect

 

[CopyThat]

If they can't come up with answers to the issues on XP (Which, Last I checked has been FINAL for 5 YEARS) What makes you think they are patiently waiting until Vista is final to spring Stable, Working drivers for it?
Now would be a good time for them to work out the bugs in Vista drivers if you ask me...

 

[SmackDizzle]

Eeyrjmr, Is there something stupid about being dissapointed with a particular companys performance? or level of support? ATI, Nvidia, and a host of other companies seem to be willing to play along in the development of Vista. Why would it be stupid to point out Creative's short comings? Was it really a Rant? I didnt think it was. But you seem like a real wise ass.. Why would I go read a witty thread when I have a silly little fool like yourself to entertain me? Have you contributed to this thread? or have you just come here to show the world what an angry little twit you are? Please, I've taken a slight interest in you now.. Do entertain me some more..

 

[SmackDizzle]

If they can't come up with answers to the issues on XP (Which, Last I checked has been FINAL for 5 YEARS) What makes you think they are patiently waiting until Vista is final to spring Stable, Working drivers for it?
Now would be a good time for them to work out the bugs in Vista drivers if you ask me...

My point exactly, and thank you. Now is the time to get the drivers out there so we can have something useable as Vista progresses.

 

[eeyrjmr]

Eeyrjmr, Is there something stupid about being dissapointed with a particular companys performance? or level of support? ATI, Nvidia, and a host of other companies seem to be willing to play along in the development of Vista.

AND I never said that that any company was not developing for Vista
In fact I actually said that Creative are more then likely developing for VIsta
It was YOU!! that said they wen't

Why would it be stupid to point out Creative's short comings?

What shortcommings? Please show me. You cannot prove a negative btw

Was it really a Rant? I didnt think it was.

Mmm lets me see

Creative is really a pathetic company.

Dont even chime in with the usual, be patient, it's just a beta, and all that crap.

However Creative is no small company, they operate on HUGE, RIDICULOUS PROFIT MARGINS. $200-$400 for a SoundCard deserves absolutely TOP-NOTCH Support. They barely make an effort, Why? because you cant do shit about it! No real competition, and they are laughing at the whole situation. THERE IS NO EXCUSE NOT TO HAVE AN ANSWER TO VISTA EVERY STEP OF THE WAY!

Definite rant content

But you seem like a real wise ass.. Why would I go read a witty thread when I have a silly little fool like yourself to entertain me? Have you contributed to this thread? or have you just come here to show the world what an angry little twit you are? Please, I've taken a slight interest in you now.. Do entertain me some more..

And your responce... To try to act like a wiseass yourself and ACTUALLY failing
FACT!
you come here ranting because you cant find something that you want becuase you are unable to use GOOGLE to find the relevant infomation
hoping someone smarter then you manages to do your work for you
OMG Beta Drivers

Oh ooh oh looky what I found within 15sec of using Google, BETA drivers from Creative for the BETA OS that is Vista

Thankyou and good night!

 

[ND40oz]

I think the OP does have a point, at every public beta for Vista, both ATI and nVidia have provided a driver within a few days of release. Creative on the other hand has not and it's most likely because they have no competition.

 

[eeyrjmr]

I think the OP does have a point, at every public beta for Vista, both ATI and nVidia have provided a driver within a few days of release. Creative on the other hand has not and it's most likely because they have no competition.

O Rly there is no drivers...

 

[SmackDizzle]

O Rly there is no drivers...

LOL.. you are hilarious.. Are you drunk? An articulate fool, how rare. Where did I say they had no drivers? The drivers they released do not work and they are from the first build way back when, read more and show your ass less. Grow up!
p.s. you had to google that? Did it not occur to you to simply look at creative? LOL

 

[Hapatingjaky]

Well I for one think Creative is full of s**t but oh well thats my opinion.

Now lets get down to the facts, yes there are drivers available for Vista both 32bit and 64bit but Creative tricked everyone with their drivers. Here are links to their drivers :

Windows Vista 32bit = http://ccftp.creative.com/manualdn/Drivers/AVP/9567/0xF237209A/SBXF_PCDVTBETA_L3_2_10_0000.exe

Windows Vista 64bit = http://ccftp.creative.com/manualdn/Drivers/AVP/9567/0xF237209A/SBXF_PCDVTBETA_L3_2_10_0000.exe

Now these drivers although dated for July are really the first beta drivers ever released by Creative just put into a new installer, this was proven on the Creative forums. The driver files match the ones back in May of 06.

Now the 32bit driver does tend to give you more options in audio, You do get 7.1 sound when using the speaker test settings, some programs will run in 5.1, 6.1 and 7.1 varieties. But as soon as you start a game you get 2.1 stereo sound, same goes for DVD's. So you get basic functionality.

Vista 64bit is an entirely different story, if you are flukey enough to get the driver isntalled which takes an act of god to do then everytime you restart your computer you must tap F8 and disable driver checks, the BCDEDIT no longer works in RC1... If you screw up and forget to tap F8 even once, you will be forced to restore the system back to the moment before you install the Creative driver or do a Format/Reload. Once the driver is installed and working you will only get stereo sound out of all speakers including the sub when using DVD's music blah blah blah, in games you get 2.1 stereo sound without any way of changing it. But you do get sound and basic support.

See all Creative stated they would do is give you basic support. You have no EAX, no THX, no CMSS, nothing you get basic 2.1 sound and everything above that is a pipe dream. I love reading posts about people who say " X-FI 7.1 SOUND WORKS READ HERE!!! " and then you find out they have 7.1 Stereo sound and not surround. But all Creative did was deliver on what they said they would do and that is give you basic support.

Now am I pissed, hell yeah. I payed $400 for my soundcard and expect to use it, can I use it in Vista? Yes I can but at a limited settings. Does everyone remember when Windows 2000 Professional or Windows XP first came out or when it was in beta stages, I had the exact same issues that I am having now with Vista then what I had with those OS's on my old Audigy and Soundblaster Live. It is true, Creative has the poorest support team on the planet, their driver development team consists on Infinium Lab techs probably. But you nor I can do anything about it.

Creative stance right now is the driver will die sometime in October because of its time stamp, it even states that in the installation. Creative stated they have no interest in getting a fully working driver till November, is this a bad decision on their part? 100% yeah Microsoft plans to release Vista to the OEM Manufacturers in November if everything goes to plan and Creative will have missed the boat. Creative should have gotten on board 3 years ago durring alpha testing and got a working driver then but they didn't, at that time they were more concerned about getting better functionality out of their MP3 players and competing with Apple then to stick with what they do best and thats soundcards.

If you don't like Creative then don't use it. Right now I have my XFI sitting in a static bag in its box. I'm using the onboard sound that came with my Asus A8R32-MVP Deluxe and it works so much better then the XFI with Windows Vista Ultimate 64Bit and I am loving it.

 

[ND40oz]

O Rly there is no drivers...

Hey jackass, good job hotlinking images that aren't yours. Ever tried reading the forum rules.

If you cared to read my post, I said after every public beta release ATI and nVidia have released an updated driver, you're telling me creative has released an updated driver after every public release...

 

[Elios]

Hey jackass, good job hotlinking images that aren't yours. Ever tried reading the forum rules.

If you cared to read my post, I said after every public beta release ATI and nVidia have released an updated driver, you're telling me creative has released an updated driver after every public release...

1. the drivers for the x-fi do work you just need the newer ones
2. i wish NVs drivers worked half as well games are the only thing not totaly working for me atm in RC1

 

[ClutchS]

Sorry I'll be going now

 

[djnes]

is Vista released? NO so STFU!

Vista is in Beta (well a release candidate) to correct problems within Vista, ergo there is a chance some core parts of Vista will change

To say Creative don't have Vista drivers just shows yr ignorance. Creative more then likely do have Vista drivers they just havn't made them public.

Once Vista is out in the wild commercially believe me when I say creative will make their drivers available

You're wasting your time. There are far too many people on here who have no clue how the software development and release process works. Nevermind the fact these beta releases are meant for the OEMs to use to work on their drivers, in time for the final product to be on the store shelves. Nevermind the fact that as a public beta, nothing is owed to the paying customers because, well, there aren't any paying customers. Some people just want to have a needless, useless rant because if makes their e-wang half an inch longer. It's ridiculous, laughable, and downright sad that people on what's supposed to be an "advanced computing forum", can't grasp these concepts. It's becoming a waste of time and energy to even justify these threads with a response. Have you noticed why many of the long time members don't post in here anymore? There's a reason for that.

 

[ClutchS]

Sorry I'll be going now

 

[djnes]

I see that you don't seem to understand (or have a clue, to quote again!) that a piece of hardware such as a $200 sound card from Creative is not much better than a paper weight when the drivers are unable to support it. I understand that this is not a purchased copy of an officially released OS(Vista RC1) but it is a trial OS and there must be adequate drivers to put this OS thru it's paces before it can be released or else the $200 piece of hardware will remain nothing more than a paper weight. How is a consumer with that $200 piece of hardware going to feel when his/her software runs with stutters and frame drops due to nsufficient software to support the hardware when Vista is released in 3 months time?

And why do you think it's released for trial? So the hardware companies can develop and test their drivers BEFORE THE FINAL RELEASE of the software. Now, before you put your foot in your mouth any further, I spent 5 years working for one of the largest OEMs in the world. I don't need to be lectured on beta operating systems and expectations of OEM drivers. I was there for XP's release, and it's exactly the same as Vista. Even your own comments do more to support my arguments then your own. Clearly, based on that, you don't understand this concept. The ENTIRE point is to have the drivers ready for the actual release of the software, not right now. Expecting the drivers to be working perfectly right now is assinine and ignorant, at best. You are ignoring the entire concept and meaning of the word beta. Gotta love it when a noobie comes in and starts running their mouth, without actually saying anything worthwhile.

 

[ClutchS]

Sorry I'll be going now

 

[djnes]

I feel it is worthwhile to discuss these issues thank you very much ! And that a mutli million dollar company (Creative)should be able to effectively develop the software required. I see we have differences of opinion on what software is required at this point in Vista's development but why would you defend companies taking their sweet ass time getting software ready? Unless you develop for Creative (the only thing that makes sense toi me) As a consumer we need to push Creative to CATCH UP! cause they most certainly are falling behind AGAIN. These are my opinions and I can assure you also I must not be alone!

I'm not defending anyone or any company. I'm applying years of understanding and common sense. And sorry to say, an RC1 is still technically considered beta, especially in Microsoft's world. We haven't seen or heard talk of RC2 yet, which means the code still needs improvements, which by the very definition, means it's still in beta. A few turns through the SDLC will show you that. Now, I don't feel a need to defend Creative, nor is that what I'm doing. I'm just fed up with the total lack of understanding about this whole Vista craze. I don't really care if Creative's drivers work right now or not. They should be working on their drivers right now, and making sure they have working, fully functional drivers available on their site, the very day Vista's final product is available to the general public. Whatever that release date turns out to be, Creative and all the other OEMs have an obligation to provide drivers for their products. Not just test versions, but fully functional, stable drivers. Not ONE DAY SOONER, are they obligated to do anything.
The day Vista is released, if you cannot obtain fully functional drivers from Creative, then you, and anyone else with a Creative card has ever right to complain, and I would encourage it. But Creative, Nvidia, etc don't owe anyone anything until that point. They should all be working on drivers, whether that means releasing their own betas or not, but they don't owe anyone any support at this time. If you can't get your Creative card working with Vista right now, did you still get your money's worth from Vista? Absolutely. At this exact time, Vista is not listed as a supported OS for your card, so you are still getting what you paid for from your X-Fi. It's plain and simple, good ol' common sense. These releases of Vista have made normally sane people throw logic, understanding, and reasong completely out the window. As soon as we go back to thinking ratinonally, and treating these versions of Vista exactly for what they are, these forums will be much better off. Furthermore, many of the OS gurus have left this subforum for these exact types of posts. I hope the madness goes away soon, logic returns, and so do these people, because they have a wealth of knowledge to share.

 

[AMD[H]unter]

LOL.. you are hilarious.. Are you drunk? An articulate fool, how rare. Where did I say they had no drivers? The drivers they released do not work and they are from the first build way back when, read more and show your ass less. Grow up!
p.s. you had to google that? Did it not occur to you to simply look at creative? LOL

I really, really, really hope you get b7.

 

[HaMMerHeD]

just the sort of dumbass response I expected.

Your attitude speaks volumes about your discontenedness with respect to Creative Labs. One can not expect a hardware manufacturer to provide implicit or explict support for an officially unsupported software product, i.e. Microsoft Windows Vista. I doubt you would be happy even if they did have a perfectly functional RC1 driver. You would simply find something else to gripe about. Perhaps a wonky interface or console application would evoke your ire.

I am confident that Creative will have a Vista driver for my X-Fi when the time comes to officially support Vista.

The plain truth is that VISTA RC1 IS NOT A FINAL VERSION, and CREATIVE IS UNDER NO CONTRACTUAL OR IMPLIED OBLIGATION OR AGREEMENT TO PROVIDE YOU WITH DRIVERS FOR BETA SOFTWARE. If you can not understand that, perhaps you ought not be using Vista RC1. Or any other beta software. Ever.

-Mark.

 

[ND40oz]

I really doubt creative will have fully functional drivers and front end applications for Vista by it's release. I'm still waiting on a front end for my creative onboard audio to work with XP x64. It took them months after x64s official release to provide a driver. If onboard audio has drivers and apps at this point that work, don't you think creative should have something as well.

I understand you worked for a "very large oem" (hmm...wonder which one that is looking at your sig), but when Dell sells a customer I support a Precision 690 in December with an X-Fi card, I get it in and don't have a working Vista image because I don't have a creative driver it prevents me from doing my job. I'm doing Vista testing to make sure my organization is ready to support our customers who start ordering the operating system the day it is available. I can't do that without third party driver support, I don't seem to have a problem getting that support from other companies, why does creative have to be different?

 

[djnes]

The plain truth is that VISTA RC1 IS NOT A FINAL VERSION, and CREATIVE IS UNDER NO CONTRACTUAL OR IMPLIED OBLIGATION OR AGREEMENT TO PROVIDE YOU WITH DRIVERS FOR BETA SOFTWARE. If you can not understand that, perhaps you ought not be using Vista RC1. Or any other beta software. Ever.

-Mark.

Thank you, thank you, and once more, thank you. It's amazing how logical that statement is, but yet there are still arguments about it. Hmmm.

 

[djnes]

I understand you worked for a "very large oem" (hmm...wonder which one that is looking at your sig), but when Dell sells a customer I support a Precision 690 in December with an X-Fi card, I get it in and don't have a working Vista image because I don't have a creative driver it prevents me from doing my job. I'm doing Vista testing to make sure my organization is ready to support our customers who start ordering the operating system the day it is available. I can't do that without third party driver support, I don't seem to have a problem getting that support from other companies, why does creative have to be different?

When that day comes, if Creative doesn't have a legitimate driver available, or hasn't provided Dell with one, you have every right to complain. Of course, one would hope Dell wouldn't be selling PCs without proper driver support. HP, Dell, etc should all be putting pressure on the individual hardware makers to have final drivers in hand right before Vista's release.

 

[SmackDizzle]

Thank you, thank you, and once more, thank you. It's amazing how logical that statement is, but yet there are still arguments about it. Hmmm.

What's amazing is how profound you find the simplest statements to be, almost as amazing as how profound and "in the know" you are. This thread is not/was not meant as a commentary on what the legal obligations are for Creative or any other company for that matter. The point was simply that creative charges a high premium for a sound card, something most people dont even need, almost a luxury item in my opinion. I simply find it sad that they are not compelled, in an effort to satisfy customers who have purchased their product, and in an effort to demonstrate a committment in customer/tech support, to produce drivers over these last several months in this very PUBLIC beta. I used ATI earlier and there are many more examples, but these companies have atleast made an effort to support this BETA. What is so wrong with doing that? What is so right about not doing it? What part of not doing it is enough to make for such LOFTY arguments?
Please though.. continue bloviating, I love it to no end!!

 

[CompMage]

Yea know what, I would like to thank everyone on this thread for really putting a smile on my face.

Dude, it's a f'n CR1 / Beta. Hell it took MONTHS after the final release of XP before they had useable drivers!

Get back to us in November / December when Vista has gone gold. Untill then, while I share you view in yea they really should have a working driver. Stop screaming.

Thank you, and have a nice day! 8)

 

[djnes]

What's amazing is how profound you find the simplest statements to be, almost as amazing as how profound and "in the know" you are. This thread is not/was not meant as a commentary on what the legal obligations are for Creative or any other company for that matter. The point was simply that creative charges a high premium for a sound card, something most people dont even need, almost a luxury item in my opinion. I simply find it sad that they are not compelled, in an effort to satisfy customers who have purchased their product, and in an effort to demonstrate a committment in customer/tech support, to produce drivers over these last several months in this very PUBLIC beta. I used ATI earlier and there are many more examples, but these companies have atleast made an effort to support this BETA. What is so wrong with doing that? What is so right about not doing it? What part of not doing it is enough to make for such LOFTY arguments?
Please though.. continue bloviating, I love it to no end!!

See, you are missing one small part of it as well. As we both agree they should be working on the final drivers, who's to say they aren't? The point is, they aren't under any obligation to release them right now. The fact people complain about not having pefect drivers right now is what so many people are taking issue with. I still am only using a Creative Audigy 2 ZS. If I decide to switch to Vista the day it's released, I would expect drivers to be avilable that work well. The above poster is correct though, it was a while after XP was final and released before we had working drivers for some hardware. The OEMs dropped the ball in that case, and hopefully they've learned their lessons. Only time will tell, but these needless threads bitching at each OEM are way WAY too early. Let's wait until Vista goes final before we start running through the streets with torches.

 

[slowbiz]

I'm totally suing Microsoft because I cannot run Final Doom on Vista right now.

Those monkeyless bastards.

 

[nilepez]

is Vista released? NO so STFU!

Vista is in Beta (well a release candidate) to correct problems within Vista, ergo there is a chance some core parts of Vista will change

To say Creative don't have Vista drivers just shows yr ignorance. Creative more then likely do have Vista drivers they just havn't made them public.

Once Vista is out in the wild commercially believe me when I say creative will make their drivers available

Edit: since drivers are publicly available, I don't see what reason the OP has to complain. I'm a bit disapointed that they're not planning to right a driver for my old SB live, but so long as M-Audio puts out a driver for Vista, I'll just use my 2496. All I need is good clean stereo sound.

I'd really like it if there was a driver for either of my wireless cards (both Airlink...yes I know they were dirt cheap, so I can't expect too much).

 

[Elios]

well iirc Creative didnt have Live! drivers for XP till well after it was out so the there is resion to worry

i would HOPE Creative wouldnt pull a stunt like that again but you never know

there ARE working beta drives that will give you sound but like the NV drives thay dont do much other then just make the hardware work

 

[ClutchS]

Sorry I'll be going now

 

[Scroatdog]

Creative Labs SUCKS. Bottom line. There needs to be another "big" audio card manufacturer to give those assholes come competition. Until then, I am sure Creative will continue to provide overly-expensive audio cards, rife with proprietary connections (talking just the base cards, not breakout boxes you have to pay extra for). My Audigy Gamer has a "digital din" connection, and the only thing you can use it for is a connection to a Creative Labs (or in my case Cambridge Soundworks....same thing really) speaker set.

I've had this card in a Dell, and in two of my personal builds, and I've had problems with the card in every rig. Why not get a new one? I think their X-Fi line is overpriced for one thing. For another thing, my speakers have that gay "digital din" connection. Also, I like 5.1 in games. Card crackled like a box of crackerjacks in the Dell, didn't like any of the IRQs it was assigned in another. Wasn't till I upgraded my rig to the specs in my sig that the problems subsided. Personally, I think my DFI Ultra board told the little card to knock the shit off, else be replaced by the on-board audio.

I distinctly remember support for the Audigy Gamer go down the tubes after Audigy 2 was released. Needless to say it was a LONG time before any updated drivers came out of them. And the firewire port has NEVER worked properly on it. Why? They didn't follow the 1394 standard. I don't have the proof in front of me, but I remember people recommending to me that I get a 1394 PCI card to connect my firewire devices because Creative didn't properly implement 1394.. Boom, problem solved. (older mobo).

Bottom line: Creative SUCKS, has sucked for years, and until another company can come along and knock them off their perch, we as consumers will continue to suffer, and they will continue to suck.

As for the whole Vista thing, well they should really be doing a little more. The drivers I'm using for pre-RC1 suck horribly. Sure, I see all the nice options they give you in that particular Vista driver, but I can't activate any of them. 2.1 audio all the time. Are they going to wait until Vista is released to develop working, STABLE drivers? By that time it'll be too late, and they'll end up slapping something together half-ass. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't ATI and nVdia both have Vista drivers for the Beta 2, the pre-RC-1 and RC-1??


............ and has anyone seen any of their PCI Express audio cards???? Well, that's because they don't have ANY. With SLI and Crossfire becoming popular motherboard configurations, there are either too few of them, or they are there but cannot be used because of the adjacent video cards. I found at least two different audio card manufacturers that have PCI Express audio cards right now. Granted, they are marketed and sold to audiophile types who do computer-based music recording,

 

[ClutchS]

Sorry I'll be going now

 

[Scroatdog]

The argument is not who has responsibility to supply what, the concern is a total lack of intiative by Creative to support THEIR hardware again and again.

Bingo.

 

[SmackDizzle]

I'm so glad you two chimed in. I cant get over how far off track these threads can get. I understand some people love to comment for no other reason than to have the world see how wise they are, or to just argue for the sake of arguing, but the subject matter was never about (LEGAL OBLIGATIONS) LOL.. where did that ever come from?? It was a commentary on a particular company, and the way they choose to support their customers/products. Thanks again!!

 

[drizzt81]

This is the point of many of us that do not accept Creative's (in particular) laziness or lack of ability to support their hardware in a given OS, RC1 or not.

then don't buy their hardware

How friggin hard is that? If you do not like their product/ support, then go vote with your money and don't come to an internet forum to complain about it. Apparently, people are happy enough with creative to purchase their overpriced cards.

Aside from that, it is a beta. There is zero reason to expect drivers for a beta, regardless of the amount of money that your product costs. Given that a sound card is a non-critical peripheral, who cares anyway? After all, you aren't doing production work on a beta OS anyway, are you?

 

[Danith]

WORDS

I'm pretty sure Creative is working on Vista drivers.. they most likely have an internal release, and a beta driver release to a few select people..

Anyways.. if you can't handle stuff in a BETA not working.. maybe a beta isn't for you..

 

[djnes]

The argument is not who has responsibility to supply what, the concern is a total lack of intiative by Creative to support THEIR hardware again and again.

And you think I'm the one being ignorant? That's really funny. First, you continue to miss the point. Until Vista is released, they owe you NOTHING. Get it through your head, and you'll finally understand how this game works. The day Vista is released, if you don't have drivers, THEN you may complain. Second, as drizzt81 pointed out, if you didn't like the way Creative handled their XP driver releases, why in the hell would you buy their most expensive sound card???

Here's what I think, I have several threads to back this up. You are pissed off that Creative doesn't have a perfect Vista driver for you. You're pissed off because you're realizing you paid way to much for a sound card that came from a company with shoddy driver histories. You're pissed off because more and more people are posting in here to tell you that you are way off in your thinking. You're no different than many other noobs who have come along recently. You have a set way of thinking in your own little mind, and when ANYONE dares to disagree, you launch a personal attack. Then, as more people post and take the opposite side, you get angrier and more hostile. We've seen it all a million times before.

Here's the deal, and this is factual information, so take it as you may. Vista is only in beta. You are owed nothing at this day and time in terms of hardware or software support. If you aren't happy, call Creative and tell them you expect a Vista driver when Vista is released. Complaining on a forum board doesn't do anything. If you have a bug with Vista, you report it to Microsoft. Not happy with Creatives Vista drivers? Direct your anger towards them. Until Vista is released, either make due with what's out there, or keep your mouth shut and use XP. That is life as a beta operating system tester. As several have mentioned, if you can't handle the beta environment, you can go back to XP. When Vista is released, if you do not have a working Vista driver, you have every right to complain directly to Creative. Until then, learn to live with it like the rest of us.