Woz: Android Will Be Dominant Smartphone Platform

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  1. HardOCP News

    HardOCP News [H] News

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    Hearing someone predict that Android will be the dominant smartphone platform isn’t unusual at all, unless of course you are the co-founder of Apple.

     
  2. HAQattaq

    HAQattaq Limp Gawd

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    obvious is obvious
     
  3. phide

    phide [H]ard as it Gets

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    Hundreds of phones versus...one. Yeah, I guess that makes sense, doesn't it?
     
  4. requiem99

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    Gee, I wonder how he came to that conclusion?
     
  5. bpmurrGT

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    I wouldn't count out MS either. While they are a little behind in some areas with the new Windows phone, I expect them to catch up next year. Like Android the OS is across different brands and carriers.
     
  6. cditty

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    I have a Windows Phone (turned in my iPhone 4 due to ongoing proximity issues). I like it. I have a feeling that it will be much better after the first update. I have a Droid X on Verizon too. I like it better than any of them. I think that it is because of my tech nature. It is rooted and very customized.

    Windows Phone will be a solid competitor. Probably #3, but a strong #3.

    It doesn't matter too much, because all three of them have the 'top tier' apps.
     
  7. SeraphicalChaos

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    Jobs must be fuming hehe.

    I'm seeing more and more non-technically inclined individuals picking up these phones and loving it. It's a breath of fresh air from folks who use iPhones.
     
  8. xxEIEIOxx

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    I went with a Droid 2 and couldn't be happier.
     
  9. Zarathustra[H]

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    I have an iPhone 4 now, primarily because the last time I tested Android phones they didn't have the multitouch interface (this has apparently since been added via Android updates?), and as such felt clunky and unusable and not much of a competitor to the iPhone at the time.

    With this feature added - however - my next phone may just be Android based. I hate how Apple triess to control everything, and love th epotential of an open platform where I can do as I please with it.

    I currently have my iPhone jailbroken, which reduces my frustration, but its still a real annoyance, and I don't want to support a shady company with a philosophy of controlling their hardware and user experience after it has been sold to the end user.
     
  10. Vermillion

    Vermillion [H]ardness Supreme

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    All I can say is well no duh. :rolleyes:

    Still love my Droid. The only way I will give it up if by prying it from my cold dead hands or Verizon gets another totally unlocked phone that is better then the Incredible. Love my wife's Droid Incredible . Just wish she would let me custom ROM the damn thing so I could get a low voltage kernel installed to get her battery life through the roof.
     
  11. Insula Gilliganis

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    Reading about Woz in the past and hearing him being interviewed last month by Leo Laporte and Tom Merritt http://twit.tv/specials41 he doesn't seem to really be an Apple fanboy and says & does what he wants!!

    He also doesn't seem to mind telling stories about Steve Jobs as Leo during this past week's TWIT episode told a story that Woz claimed that Steve Jobs was suppose to be Time Magazine's "Man of the Yea"r in 1982 but Jobs eventually ticked off Time that they just picked the computer instead. You can read a similar story about why Jobs wasn't picked as "man of the year" here.. http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=The_Little_Kingdom.txt
     
  12. Etherton

    Etherton Will Bang for Poof

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    I used to want a iPhone so soooo bad. Could care less now. I am glad they kept it locked to AT&T for so long. Saved me from getting one... :p

    Got a link to the voltage kernel your talking about? Would be great!
     
  13. nealric

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    My problem with Android phones is that they often aren't any better. Not only do they come locked down by the maker/carrier, they come with crapware that you can't remove.

    Sure, you can root the Android phones, but isn't that the same basic thing as jailbreaking your iphone? Personally, I like my jailbroken iphone quite a bit. My next phone might be an Android-based model, but I would like to wait and see what happens with LTE rollout first. Also, what I really want is an Android phone that has decent size onboard memory. It's nice to have the option of having an SD card, but 64gb of onboard memory is what I really want. 32Gb isn't enough for me.
     
  14. Etherton

    Etherton Will Bang for Poof

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    ^ What are you putting on your phone? I can't even use the 8gb up on my Incredible...lol..
     
  15. Vermillion

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    http://hydrakernel.net/

    There are a few others like KiNgxKernel and Adrynalyne over on the XDA forums under the Droid Incredible Android Development topic. Just take your pick and roll with it. :)

    Stuff like this is why Android is so great.
     
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    Crapware that you can't remove? You're kidding right?

    Root + Titanium Backup = Crapware gone.
     
  17. Topweasel

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    Well phones like the Droid X will get you at 40GB but I understand that point. I with Android it really depends on the situation. Android has a very clean multitasking implementation, but most importantly widgets.

    The ability to have Multiple pages of information already loaded and up for you without having to start an application makes it one of the friendliest phones out there. iOS and Blackberry will/is about to have to start from completely from scratch on the the UI at a minimum to be able to compete with that. The next best is notifications but only BB has a good implementation for that and everyone else requires either built in or manufacturer pre-loaded software to manage it, where Android and BB can do it their way with any app.
     
  18. SixtyWattMan

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    Not about the phones it's about the software.
     
  19. trparky

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    Yep, your post sums up what I think as well.

    I have an iPhone 4 just like yourself (not jailbroken though) and I'm seriously looking at Android as my next phone device. Your reasons are a lot of the reasons but I have my other reasons too.

    Some of the other reasons are how they are handling obvious flaws with the iPhone 4, or should I say... how they aren't handling those flaws. Combine your reasons and the fact that Apple is acting like the Iraqi Information Minister, nope... my next device isn't going to be an iPhone.
     
  20. rflcptr

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    If Android was on a single phone, would the outlook be the same?
     
  21. SixtyWattMan

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    Would probably be even better for Android.
     
  22. Topweasel

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    Could be. It helps. But There are portions of Android that blow iOS out of the water. Platform Stability and Device quality are about the only thing that the iOS has over Android. Even that doesn't help with this generation of Iphone with iOS 4 complete destroying older phones and the 2 public hardware issues with the iPhone 4.

    If Google designed and sold a single Android phone, they would also be able to throw much more advertising at it then Apple does. Heck they could throw more "free" advertising at it then Apple pays for.
     
  23. Bahamut

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    iOS = Macs vs Android = PCs.

    Android will win with sheer numbers, just as PCs did vs Macs. It has nothing to do with the OS.
     
  24. Azhar

    Azhar Fixing stupid since 1972

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    He just said that in his second paragraph.
     
  25. greeneye

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    I'd still be running my HD2 if Android was on the Nand...

    Apple has a few benefits but no customization (at all). I never enjoyed WindowsMobile especially since i had Android running on it.

    But i dont like the HTC's that run Android properly, or the samsungs, etc.

    iPhones had a good and popular run but now its time for them to completely change the interface.

    Also Im surprised that Nokia (Symbian) have been quiet.. only thing ive seen of theirs is the Nokia N8
     
  26. Bahamut

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    I've got HyperDroid running off a Class 4 16GB microSD card on my HD2 and it's nearly 60% faster than the same OS (Android 2.2) running on the Nexus One native hardware so... why would having it directly on the NAND make any difference but to slow it down? :D
     
  27. Topweasel

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    That is why it will win. You combine same OS with dozens of form factors and configurations = A phone for everyone. The OS still needs to be good. In this case free also helps. But I still think an OS of Androids quality, on a single platform, with Googles advertising and marketing ability, would still equal a win.
     
  28. phide

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    The iPhone exists, on a hardware level, in essentially one configuration. For those who want a hardware keyboard, for instance — there is no iPhone available to satisfy that. Those who want a bigger display are out of luck. Those who want a very small phone are out of luck. Those who want a free phone are out of luck. And so on and so forth.

    Either you like the iPhone as a handset or you don't. Due to the sheer variety of Android handsets available, there's likely something available on the Android side that you, as a consumer, will like. And you really believe it's all about the software?
     
  29. Topweasel

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    Because Symbian is dead. They are holding bcak hoping they can get Meego phones out the door in a month or 2.

    That's what the Iphone has done to the smart phone market and what Android is doing to it. The Iphone made Google redesign Android before it left the door and now RIM, Microsoft and Nokia have all had to throw away their OS's and start with a completely new OS from scratch.
     
  30. rflcptr

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    Would it?
     
  31. heatlesssun

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    Which is one reason I think that Windows Phone has a decent chance of doing well. The software development tools for it are simply fantastic and millions of .Net developers already have most of the skills. Microsoft is even giving out free eBooks on the subject: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/microsoft_p...mming-windows-phone-7-by-charles-petzold.aspx

    But sure, a free OS that any phone maker can pick up and put on a device, sure it will be dominant but also fragmented.
     
  32. MrValentine

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    I still dont see a working VPN client for Android. And as such my next phone will be Windows. Google is dropping the ball where it matters, and developing other crap I could care less about.
     
  33. phide

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    If enterprise support mattered as much as you seem to suggest, Android would be doing very poorly. But it isn't.
     
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    But only since the Iphone have we ever heard that fragmentation was bad. As long as the market place allows for separation between supported OS's and phones, its not really an issue. In terms of hardware manufacturers fragmentation is a good thing, it drives sales as people feel more inclined to get the latest and greatest. If it wasn't for the amount of time and money Apple puts into selling people each new Iphone as a revolutionary device most people would not have gone from, 2G-3G-3GS-4. Most people would have gone from 3G to the 4 at most and outside stability issues with iOS 4 on older phones and the front facing camera few would have hopped directly to that.

    Apple marketing has done something very few Manufacturers can pull off, which is to turn normal customers into enthusiasts. 3 years ago if you told someone that you upgraded your phone every year sometimes paying full price they would call you a geek. Now for Iphone users in general its gotten to a point where there are normal purchasers hate/look down upon themselves for not having having the money to purchase a 4.
     
  35. Topweasel

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    I wouldn't be too sure of that either. No proof yet that a business level VPN clients will be available for WP7, so much so that microsoft is hoping manufacturers will still sell WinMo 6.5 phones as Professional phones and have hardware available for customers.
     
  36. Bahamut

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    Apparently, thanks to the wonder of journalistic integrity, Woz was "misquoted" and has since issued a clarification of his statement in that interview:

    http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/18/exclusive-woz-misquoted-almost-every-app-that-i-have-is-bette/

    And as such, while he doesn't call Android better, the basic gist of the whole thing is still that Android will dominate because of sheer numbers, which is what he said the first time around. I got it, I'm sure many others did too... weird.
     
  37. HardOCP News

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    Steve Wozniak claims that he was misquoted earlier today and that he never said Android would become the dominant smartphone platform. According to his latest soon-to-be-called-a-misquote statement what he actually said was “it can get greater marketshare and still be crappy." Thanks to Bahamut for the update.

     
  38. HardOCP News

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    To be honest, looking at what he claims he actually said and what was reported the first time around, it could EASILY have just been the language barrier...
     
  39. Ultima99

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    He probably said all that then got an angry call from Steve Jobs. Now he claims to be misquoted.
     
  40. SeraphicalChaos

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    The wonder of journalistic integrity or furious backpedaling due to speak before you think syndrome... hmm.