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Worst Graphics Launch Ever!

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TangledThorns

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Ok, this is just a rant but I must say this has to be the worst launch by both Nvidia & ATI. I can't believe how long its taking to get their latest cards into stores and finding them online can be a drag. Its like trying to find a PS2 in late 2000. I remember when ATI launched their 8500 they were easy to buy on day one and at an suprisingly low price too. Same goes for Nvidia of their previous generation.

But why are both companies are having such issues getting their new cards out? Are they trying to drive up demand or is it tech reasons or maybe supply? By the time you see ATI & Nvidia's high-end cards on the shelves they'll probably be announcing their next set. Pretty sad. :mad:
 
yeah, and those cards have been fetching ps2 in late 2000 prices on ebay as well... :eek:
 
i don't think either graphics company could have anticipated this HUGE demand for these cards. it's insane! any time a website gets these things in for MSRP or has a sale, they're sold out within hours.
 
Time and time again people have said what the problem is believed to be, and that hasn't believed to have changed, it is a shortage of ddr3 memory.
 
I agree that this has been a bungled launch, but it may not be ATI or Nvidia who are to blame. That shortage of DDR3 memory for the cards sounds like the real culpit. I'm sure if supplies of DDR3 were plentiful, we'd see a ton of X800 XTs and 6800 Ultras on the market to meet demand. Amazing how willing people are top pony up for a $500+ video card these days. A few years ago most would scoff at the ridiculous price!!!! :cool:
 
Also, 1) with the economy turning around more people have enough disposable income to afford a toy of this price 2) there has been a lot of hype surrounding this generation of cards and the almost unprecedented performance leap and finally 3) The makers of HL2 and Doom 3 have been stringing us along for so long, us hardcore gamers want to be damn sure we can enjoy the games to the fullest when they finally arrive, so we HAVE to get the best out there!


just noticed latest ebay bid : sapphire X800XT - $840, ATI X800 XT - $800 ........ STOP THE INSANITY!
 
By the time you see ATI & Nvidia's high-end cards on the shelves they'll probably be announcing their next set. Pretty sad.
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LOL, how funny you should say that. Just saw this article this morning.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20040708032730.html

This product launch has been an absolute joke, I don't care who's to blame. I'd like to see GM say, oh sorry, the 2005 chevy truck has been delayed 6 months because we ran out of tires. Give me a break. :rolleyes:
 
Both companies totally underestimated demand.

I'm pretty sure both were thinking it would just be the freak enthusiasts and pro-sumers that would buy the boards, but it seems to have trickled down to quite a few "just want it" buyers. These are 1/3rd of ATi and NVidia's product lines, ATi will have the X600 and X300 and Nvidia will probably have the 5700 and 5300 to fill in the middle and low ends respectively.

I think a lot of ATi people were waiting after the 9800XT only showed a marginal performance boost form the 9800pro (like 12 percent) The X800 is a definitive almost 100 percent speed boost over the previous card. Nvidia people have been waiting since the GF4 for a good card, and now they have it.
 
At least nVidia has SOME cards out for us to enjoy, I have no idea what the hell ATi is doing up there in Canadia..
 
I expect launch demand has been lower than the current generation of cards for the last couple years. All we have seen are rehashed cards with slightly higher clocks and marginal performance gains. That is definately not the case with the latest offerings from either ATi or nVidia. I would guess that both companies figured that the could meet the inital demand based upon history. The variable they failed to consider is that when you offer a product that comes in at almost double the performance of the previous, people are going to want it now.

Or to sum it up... I agree with ZenOps :D

If I remember correctly, the 9700 Pro was a real biznatch to get ahold of for the first month or so but not near as bad as the X800XT and 6800U are proving to be now.

If I were not waiting for PCI-E for my next card purchase, I would be pissed along with the rest but I have to hold out for SLI :D unless my 9800 Pro just sucks ass in Doom3.

It's also time for a MB/CPU upgrade so I need to wait on the videocard
 
speaking of ATI, I still can't understand how can any of you be happy w/ their driver? This co. doesn't know how to write software driver, not for the past 15 years.

I was using the Radeon 7500 for about 1 year, it keep crashing on certain games. I'm so glad I get rid of it and moved back to Nvidia.

Does your computer crash due to graphics driver problem w/ ATI?

Their hardware is fine, it is very fast, but the time wasted on the s/w driver crash make up for all the time that you did save on those high speed graphics game playing itself.
 
Happy Hopping said:
speaking of ATI, I still can't understand how can any of you be happy w/ their driver? This co. doesn't know how to write software driver, not for the past 15 years.
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Im happy with them because their drivers work? Both ATi and NV have driver problems. Only the ignorant think otherwise.

On topic, ATi's launch was better, but not by much. They were available well before any 6800 was, and not launched for a month after the 6800's were.

Its my understanding that the ram is the main hold up, for both ATi and NV.
 
ATIs drivers are just fine. The only game I have problems with is KOTOR, and that's probably because it was developed for the XBox then ported to PC - being written for NVIDIA hardware probably wasn't too good for ATI :(
 
Pantherman said:
Amazing how willing people are top pony up for a $500+ video card these days. A few years ago most would scoff at the ridiculous price!!!! :cool:
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Hmmm...I don't know...I remember forking out $300 for my first Voodoo1 4mb PCI vid card....and then a dual 12mb SLI Voodoo2 setup for about $500....


The top of the line has always been big money it seems....such is the price of technology...$500 now is $200 in six months. :p
 
Rizen said:
ATIs drivers are just fine.
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I have to say I agree. While they have had some minor issues, the Cats have been really good the last couple years. I have run almost every version since their inception on either the 9500 Pro, 9600 Pro, 9700 Pro or 9800 Pro and have never had any major disappointments. I still believe nVidia has an edge in driver development but ATi has improved in this area by an order of magnitude atleast.
 
Happy Hopping said:
speaking of ATI, I still can't understand how can any of you be happy w/ their driver? This co. doesn't know how to write software driver, not for the past 15 years.

I was using the Radeon 7500 for about 1 year, it keep crashing on certain games. I'm so glad I get rid of it and moved back to Nvidia.

Does your computer crash due to graphics driver problem w/ ATI?
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Even though I have an Nvidia product, my 9800p/XT is awesome still...and the drivers are quite good actually. In fact, for MotocrossMadness2, my 9800p was better than my 6800GT using FSAA because the in game menus have an overlay issue....but that's an old game and it does not like something about Nvidia...oh well. Nothin, and I mean NOTHING, is 100% compatible.
 
heyheyhey said:
At least nVidia has SOME cards out for us to enjoy, I have no idea what the hell ATi is doing up there in Canadia..
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dunno where you've been, but I've been enjoying my x800 pro for well over a month, and I was a couple of weeks late purchasing it, due to finals. Took a while, but I found someone that still had them in stock after the initial rush (outpost.com, basically Frys Electronics).
 
heyheyhey said:
At least nVidia has SOME cards out for us to enjoy, I have no idea what the hell ATi is doing up there in Canadia..
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LMAO where the hell is CANADIA??? if you are goig to bug us Canadians at least get the country right. ;)
 
Anothe fanboy taking sides... I was planning to save up for the X800XT-PE,but I settled for a 6800GT. I agree both ATI and nVidia have some major problems with their launches. Oh well at least eVGA is showing us that their serious with their cards by using the step-up plan. I wish they had that for ATI.
 
Happy Hopping said:
speaking of ATI, I still can't understand how can any of you be happy w/ their driver? This co. doesn't know how to write software driver, not for the past 15 years.

I was using the Radeon 7500 for about 1 year, it keep crashing on certain games. I'm so glad I get rid of it and moved back to Nvidia.

Does your computer crash due to graphics driver problem w/ ATI?

Their hardware is fine, it is very fast, but the time wasted on the s/w driver crash make up for all the time that you did save on those high speed graphics game playing itself.
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What planet have you been on? :rolleyes:Their drivers are great.
 
Both companies' card rollouts have been pathetic. Between extremely limited quantities, and most vendors jacking the prices up huge amounts, the whole situation leaves me disgusted. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has given up trying to get a card for the time being.
 
Blackwind said:
What planet have you been on? :rolleyes:Their drivers are great.
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Not really. I had a crap load of problems w/ their drivers crashing games for a while. But when I upgraded to the 4.7 Beta Cats. all the problems seem to have been fixed.

And both compaines launches are pretty poor to say the least. But I will give nVidia the points for the better launch, cuase the actually sold out rather pushing release dates back like ATI.
 
Ultra low yields on GDDR3 is the problem. It has nothing to do with nVidia or ATi, it has to do with the memory makers failing to meet quota.
 
pistola said:
And both compaines launches are pretty poor to say the least. But I will give nVidia the points for the better launch, cuase the actually sold out rather pushing release dates back like ATI.
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This doesnt really make much sense to me. ATi launched the X800 series, and the next week some (very few) people got their new cards. They have been available since then, while in limited quanity. Mostly sold out.

NV launched the 6800 series, and at least 6 weeks later, very few were available to be had. Mostly still sold out, just as ATi's are.
 
I think its b/c there's an unusually high demand for these very high priced / high performance cards.

The problem is.... that they are such a huge leap forward that EVERYONE wants one or the other. If they were only a marginal increase like the 9800Pro to 9800XT theres not so many people wanting them.... buying up the limited stock... and then everyone else complaining that they cant get them.

Anyway, I think the supply is probably normal for a high end new product launch. The difference on this product launch is the demand is much higher than the usual supply.
 
fallguy said:
This doesnt really make much sense to me. ATi launched the X800 series, and the next week some (very few) people got their new cards. They have been available since then, while in limited quanity. Mostly sold out.

NV launched the 6800 series, and at least 6 weeks later, very few were available to be had. Mostly still sold out, just as ATi's are.
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The thing is, the 6800ultra is out/released. Where as the X800XT PE is yet to be seen. Yes the X800pro is out and available, but ATi top end cards isn't around yet where as nVidia has released both. Thats why they get my vote for the better launch.
 
I think the reason the XT-PE is in such limited quantities is that ATI never intended for that card to exist, they just made it on demand because of the NVIDIA 6800 Ultra Extremes..
 
I don't think it's the high-end cards that are really driving this push, but rather the middle of the line 6800 GTs and x800 Pros. Both cards offer incredible performance for a decent price. Especially the 6800 GT which can run exactly the same as the more costly 6800 Ultra. With this current group of cards showing such good performance, and memory yields so low, we're seeing a change in demand to the right, and a change in supply to the left. It's actually an interesting situation from an economic standpoint. I am going to be writing a paper about it for an econ course.
 
pistola said:
The thing is, the 6800ultra is out/released. Where as the X800XT PE is yet to be seen. Yes the X800pro is out and available, but ATi top end cards isn't around yet where as nVidia has released both. Thats why they get my vote for the better launch.
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People have the XT/PE. Probably about as many that have the 6800U. Im just going by the "look what I have" posts by people, no hard numbers. Neither are very easy to come by. The 6800U is probably a little easier to get right now though.

The fact is, the X800 Pro was available well before any 6800 card, and it was announced a month after it. To be fair, to you cant really compare how many 6800U's are out now, vs. how many XT/PE's are out, because they didnt "launch" it untill a monther after nVidia did.
 
fallguy said:
People have the XT/PE. Probably about as many that have the 6800U. Im just going by the "look what I have" posts by people, no hard numbers. Neither are very easy to come by. The 6800U is probably a little easier to get right now though.

The fact is, the X800 Pro was available well before any 6800 card, and it was announced a month after it. To be fair, to you cant really compare how many 6800U's are out now, vs. how many XT/PE's are out, because they didnt "launch" it untill a monther after nVidia did.
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wasn't ati planning to have cards readily available for purchase about a week after the two different releases anywase? atleast they were going to attempt to..
 
Any word on the 6800 Ultra Extreme? I once saw a link here to a page with a very up to date listing of what cards are available where, it had a blue background I think, anyone know where that was?
 
Yea this is, probably the worst Graphics Card Launcher EVER! and it's due to the shortage of the GDDR chips, and not of the cores.

If these card were plentiful from start as in those who had money in line, I would have gotten one since day one. But with the constant delays, and with the recent delay of the cards pushing them back for at least another month, I've decided to hold off on the XT800XT PE until ATI comes out with another card that supports SM3.0. Which opened up my wallet to spend for other things.

My 9800PRO shall serve me til I see it useless in Doom3. If it doesn't run the way I want, I'll spring for a X800XT PE in sept. or something (by then the X800XT PE should be plentiful).
 
maxxo said:
wasn't ati planning to have cards readily available for purchase about a week after the two different releases anywase? atleast they were going to attempt to..
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X800 Pro's were available, the next week. Very few of them though, but they did ship them.
 
fallguy said:
X800 Pro's were available, the next week. Very few of them though, but they did ship them.
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readily available. from my last post. as in on store shelves. i remember reading this, but am not quite sure now as it was may 4th for pro/may 21st for xt launches and july 12th today :rolleyes:
 
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