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Windows 9 Tech Preview Screenshots

Staples said:
Glad to see the start screen is still an option.

Suck it haters.
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So you like having an option, but other people that want a different option = "haters"

SMFH. Not even heatless is that obtuse.
 
damicatz said:
I don't want any fucking tiles. How hard is that for Microsoft to understand? I do not like Metro, I do not want Metro and I don't need a bunch of fugly tiles on my damn start menu. I want simple, text based links to things like documents and control panel on the right and I want my programs on the left.
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Well, I'm glad the future of computing revolves around you! In all seriousness, I'm sure that option will be available.

So...

Settle down.
 
damicatz said:
I don't want any fucking tiles. How hard is that for Microsoft to understand? I do not like Metro, I do not want Metro and I don't need a bunch of fugly tiles on my damn start menu. I want simple, text based links to things like documents and control panel on the right and I want my programs on the left.
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I thought the problem with Windows 8 was lack of choice. You don't want tiles, some will.
The tiles do not have to be there in the right area, that's been shown in the YouTube video going around. The question is will that area allow for conventional links? It's obviously going to come up as in issue in the tech preview if it doesn't. An option to view as tiles or view as conventional links is a possibility. At any rate, beyond aesthetics this is the only issue that's there, assuming these leaks are real and they appear to be so.
 
Computer UI design is not freaking exterior car design. You don't look at the UI, you actually use it. There is no reason at all to change a perfectly functioning UI just because a few years have gone by. It's the same crap (change for the sake of change) that happens in KDE and Gnome also.
 
heatlesssun said:
The Windows Store is very thin but not exactly abysmal. Most of the core stuff that people do with apps, eReading, media playback, social networking, actually has some pretty decent support. Microsoft does have some deals with top app developers but they need more. Getting modern apps to work well on the desktop I think is very important in getting more modern app development.
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You still don't get it. There will be no Metro App revolution on desktops. There will be no easy "fake it 'til we make it" shortcuts to a Metro App revolution *via* desktop. That was the biggest flaw in Sinofsky's strategy, devastatingly so.

Sure, aesthetics aren't everything, though Metro's ugly, primary-colored monotiles consisting of mostly negative space (wasted space) aren't doing it any favors, but lightweight web apps intended for phones and tablets are not going to be something that makes any inroads on desktops. They're functionally retarded compared to their desktop counterparts.

If there's to be any metro app revolution, it'll have to come from within, meaning Microsoft will have to create killer apps on their own, for their tablets and phones. But they haven't even been all that interested in doing that. They STILL haven't released a touch version of Office (yes, I know, "soon, soon".. but it should've been out the day Windows 8 launched). So if Microsoft doesn't care about creating amazing first party Metro apps, why should third parties?
 
Staples said:
Glad to see the start screen is still an option.
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I'll be running the start screen on my tablets and touch devices. It works great there. Desktop - I'll try the start menu. I don't mind the start screen, but it will definitely be nice to see the option to go with one or the other. I'm curious as to how the general public will react to it.
 
heatlesssun said:
It has to be for touch devices and there's a great many of those now running Windows. With Windows tablets now hitting the $100 mark, there's probably going to be a steadily increasing number of those devices.
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I like the start screen, using a mouse to point. I realize I am in the vast minority.
 
DPI said:
You still don't get it. There will be no Metro App revolution on desktops. There will be no easy "fake it 'til we make it" shortcuts to a Metro App revolution *via* desktop. That was the biggest flaw in Sinofsky's strategy, devastatingly so.
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It's not a revolution, it's simply a way to use a PC that a lot of average people would probably like even on a desktop. The problem isn't the concept, it was the implementation. Having a built in store with lightweight causal apps that work on the desktop like traditional desktop apps that are far less likely to be malware than traditional desktop apps is something that Windows needs for less advanced users that are now very familiar and comfortable with the idea of app stores on their phones and tablets.

DPI said:
Sure, aesthetics aren't everything, though Metro's ugly, primary-colored monotiles consisting of mostly negative space (wasted space) aren't doing it any favors, but lightweight web apps intended for phones and tablets are not going to be something that makes any inroads on desktops. They're functionally retarded compared to their desktop counterparts.
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A tile can contain virtually any text or image the developer wants. While many don't like tiles that use simple colors, use of primary color is a long established design concept that's been used many places. It's very effective in conveying information and its something people can remember easily. However, what the content of a tile is much more flexible than a static icon.

DPI said:
If there's to be any metro app revolution, it'll have to come from within, meaning Microsoft will have to create killer apps on their own, for their tablets and phones. But they haven't even been all that interested in doing that. They STILL haven't released a touch version of Office (yes, I know, "soon, soon".. but it should've been out the day Windows 8 launched). So if Microsoft doesn't care about creating amazing first party Metro apps, why should third parties?
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Office? Minecraft? Again though, this isn't so much a revolution but an evolution to how people are using computing devices and brining those concepts to Windows, which was created long before these platforms existed.
 
The slight changes shown don't do anything for me. What I want to see is the advances that are under the hood (if there ARE any).
 
Monkey34 said:
The slight changes shown don't do anything for me. What I want to see is the advances that are under the hood (if there ARE any).
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It's kind of hard to see those types of things through screenshots. The rumors are that Windows Update is being totally revamped. Then there's DX 12 and probably a few performance enhancements.
 
heatlesssun said:
It's funny how some think that Aero glass is 1990s styling. Indeed the Start Menu is 1990s all the way yet some think it's critical functionality two decades later. I would imagine that Aero is down the list of priorities in that what it brings functionally to the table is highly subjective. If the cost of adding as an option is low it would be helpful in appeasing some folks. I think it's largely irrelevant for average people and the enterprise though.
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aero glass isnt 1990s, the new squared flat style is.

aero still exists in win8 but they removed the glass type themes. It was right in there in the last 8.0 RC build and was removed at last minute by that moron who has now left the company.
 
Fugly. But usuable for the keyboard and mouse crowd since there is a functioning Start Button with Start Menu.

Really wish Microsoft would have just LISTENED to their customers and went with the option of choosing between a full Windows 7 style desktop GUI with Aero or the Metro BoC. The two just don't belong together no matter how miniscule, imo.
 
chaikovski2002 said:
Can the shitty tiles feature be uninstalled/removed from the OS completely?
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Didn't that video just show the tiles being completely removed from the right side of the Start Menu? Why are people who were complaining about lack of choice now complaining about more choice?
 
heatlesssun said:
Didn't that video just show the tiles being completely removed from the right side of the Start Menu? Why are people who were complaining about lack of choice now complaining about more choice?
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Because they're lazy. That's all I gots.
 
heatlesssun said:
Didn't that video just show the tiles being completely removed from the right side of the Start Menu? Why are people who were complaining about lack of choice now complaining about more choice?
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You missed the point again! Congrats! Theres a difference between completely removed/unsintalled and unpinned! Some of us dont want those fugly tiles to begin with! If its a windows feature and a shitty one at best, I want to be able to completely remove/uninstall it from the OS without any trace. Why do we have to go to the start menu and start unpinning those ugly ass tiles from the beginning? We dont want it! Why is it there on my desktop? MS missed the point again! Big ass ugly square tiles dont belong on my PC! Period!
 
The Start menu should look pretty slick because the taskbar UI is transparent. It's just ugly as hell in that video because of the blue wallpaper.
 
chaikovski2002 said:
You missed the point again! Congrats! Theres a difference between completely removed/unsintalled and unpinned! Some of us dont want those fugly tiles to begin with! If its a windows feature and a shitty one at best, I want to be able to completely remove/uninstall it from the OS without any trace. Why do we have to go to the start menu and start unpinning those ugly ass tiles from the beginning? We dont want it! Why is it there on my desktop? MS missed the point again! Big ass ugly square tiles dont belong on my PC! Period!
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Waaaaammmmbulance 911 :D People will find anything to complain about that they can. Unpin them or don't but obviously, dealing with it is hard for people. :rolleyes:
 
chaikovski2002 said:
You missed the point again! Congrats! Theres a difference between completely removed/unsintalled and unpinned! Some of us dont want those fugly tiles to begin with! If its a windows feature and a shitty one at best, I want to be able to completely remove/uninstall it from the OS without any trace. Why do we have to go to the start menu and start unpinning those ugly ass tiles from the beginning? We dont want it! Why is it there on my desktop? MS missed the point again! Big ass ugly square tiles dont belong on my PC! Period!
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Seriously? So you never spend any time changing defaults on a new Windows install? Ok, you don't like them, plenty will use them. Windows 8 opponents bitched and moaned about lack of choice, but for some reason the 15 seconds it takes to change this unacceptable? Indeed we don't even know if there other options the right side. I wouldn't be surprised if could hold conventional links before this goes RTM.
 
Ryokurin said:
Can we shut up about the tiles? Unpin them and it's pretty much is the Windows 7 start menu.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4eDVlRvws0
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damn nice guess I'm picking up a copy of windows 9, get rid of those ugly tiles, especially the big red one that flashes look here stupid!

Ripskin used the analogy that people are drawn to visual recognition, the problem, chrome isn't this big or med or small flash icon, just a little thing there on your desktop or on taskbar.
 
DPI said:
You still don't get it. There will be no Metro App revolution on desktops. There will be no easy "fake it 'til we make it" shortcuts to a Metro App revolution *via* desktop. That was the biggest flaw in Sinofsky's strategy, devastatingly so.

Sure, aesthetics aren't everything, though Metro's ugly, primary-colored monotiles consisting of mostly negative space (wasted space) aren't doing it any favors, but lightweight web apps intended for phones and tablets are not going to be something that makes any inroads on desktops. They're functionally retarded compared to their desktop counterparts.
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Exactly. I'm sure Microsoft would love to appify Windows and skim a percentage of money from all software sales. Nobody wants this crap. It's a regression in functionality for desktop users.

Looks like they half-assed the new theme. Taskbar/start menu transparency is back but windows are still using the ugly opaque metro/modern UI style... Goddamnit Microsoft, just put Aero glass back in.
 
chrcoluk said:
agreed aero themes need restoring. Dont like the 1990s styling.
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I wish it was 90's styled. Had some much better styled buttons and ui back then than what modern ui looks like. MUI looks like a bunch of post it notes with no definition of being anything functional aside from different colours just crammed next to each other.

Aero is the HUGE reason I'm still on win7 with ie9. IE beyond 9, even on win7 forces that flat crappy post it note style. I hate it. I'm over tiles, don't care that much about them anymore since I've gotten used to them on the only mobile phones I'll ever use, (nokias), but style, that's huge to me for desktop which is something you tend to immerse yourself in unlike every mobile device.
 
DeathFromBelow said:
Exactly. I'm sure Microsoft would love to appify Windows and skim a percentage of money from all software sales. Nobody wants this crap. It's a regression in functionality for desktop users.
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Google is starting to allow Android apps to run on Chrome OS. Something tells me in time there will be Apple devices that can run both OSX and iOS applications. Technology is constantly converging and evolving. That notion that desktops and laptops are forever and always just going to work like they have for the last 30 years and that tablets will just always be consumption devices probably isn't going to be how it actually plays out.
 
Metro is ugly and Aero is dated. What would be nice is allowing customizable visual styles without hacks. Then everyone would be happy.
 
thelead said:
Metro is ugly and Aero is dated. What would be nice is allowing customizable visual styles without hacks. Then everyone would be happy.
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Microsoft is always going to be spinning it's wheels on aesthetics, there's always people calling such and such a aesthetic beautiful or ugly. At this point the only way to please everyone is to have aesthetics that are philosophically polar opposites of each other. Like it or not, flatter design is just where this stuff has been going for a while. There are supposed to be some new aesthetics in 9, those kinds of changes never show up fully in the first betas. Like what we're seeing with the functionality, there will probably be something of a compromise in this area. Some more transparency and effects in the box than 8 but I wouldn't expect to see Aero glass fully come back.
 
Ranulfo said:
Yes, yes, the vaunted hybrid OS defense. So hybrid they forced you into the touchscreen UI with a half hearted desktop option. Then they sorta fix it in 8.1 and soon 9.0. What is sad is that MS even thought 8.0 was a good idea as released.
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Half-hearted? The desktop works the same way it did on Windows 7 99% of the time... so are you saying Window s7 had a half-hearted desktop too? :confused:
 
thelead said:
Now, one HUGE issue they're going to have to overcome is third-party software support on the Metro UI side of things.
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That's exactly what they're doing by allowing Metro apps to run windowed on the desktop.

It effectively opens up the possibility of creating desktop applications using the new WinRT API instead of Win32, and the desktop is Windows largest market, so developers will have some incentive to capitalize on it.

As an added bonus: WinRT API applications don't have DPI scaling issues, are sandboxed, are faster and more power-efficient than Win32 applications, and they can run on a desktop + laptop + tablet + phone with nothing more than a few UI tweaks thanks to the new universal app model.

Epic has already shown Unreal Engine 3 running as a WinRT API application rather than a Win32 application. Now that WinRT applications can run in a window, they look no-different to the end-user. Developers can take advantage of the new API without effecting customer perception.
 
heatlesssun said:
Microsoft is always going to be spinning it's wheels on aesthetics, there's always people calling such and such a aesthetic beautiful or ugly. At this point the only way to please everyone is to have aesthetics that are philosophically polar opposites of each other. Like it or not, flatter design is just where this stuff has been going for a while. There are supposed to be some new aesthetics in 9, those kinds of changes never show up fully in the first betas. Like what we're seeing with the functionality, there will probably be something of a compromise in this area. Some more transparency and effects in the box than 8 but I wouldn't expect to see Aero glass fully come back.
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While aesthetics can be viewed as subjective, there are definitely things that are more accepted than others. For example, which of these do you think MOST people would find more aesthetically pleasing:

Beautiful-Backyards-on-a-Budget-With-Green-Umbrella.jpg


or

backyard-3.jpg


Remember, the key phrase is "MOST people"

You're right though. The visual stuff definitely isn't added at this stage but I just can't ignore the fact that Microsoft is always way behind on the design front.
 
thelead said:
While aesthetics can be viewed as subjective, there are definitely things that are more accepted than others. For example, which of these do you think MOST people would find more aesthetically pleasing:
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Woah. That little shack has the evilest glowing eyes! That beautiful garden is obviously a trap to lure you in so it can eat you :eek:
 
damicatz said:
I don't want any fucking tiles. How hard is that for Microsoft to understand? I do not like Metro, I do not want Metro and I don't need a bunch of fugly tiles on my damn start menu. I want simple, text based links to things like documents and control panel on the right and I want my programs on the left.
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Well, ok, have it your way. That's an option now:

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Is your blood pressure coming down yet? :p
 
if aero is dated then what is the win8 desktop? as the win8 desktop resembles win95 design.
 
Unknown-One said:
That's exactly what they're doing by allowing Metro apps to run windowed on the desktop.

It effectively opens up the possibility of creating desktop applications using the new WinRT API instead of Win32, and the desktop is Windows largest market, so developers will have some incentive to capitalize on it.

As an added bonus: WinRT API applications don't have DPI scaling issues, are sandboxed, are faster and more power-efficient than Win32 applications, and they can run on a desktop + laptop + tablet + phone with nothing more than a few UI tweaks thanks to the new universal app model.

Epic has already shown Unreal Engine 3 running as a WinRT API application rather than a Win32 application. Now that WinRT applications can run in a window, they look no-different to the end-user. Developers can take advantage of the new API without effecting customer perception.
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Don't get me wrong, I believe they are taking the right approach with the WinRT API, I just think they just need to pay off a ton of developers to create the content/apps that continue to sell iOS and Android devices. Let's be honest, no one's buying a windows tablet until Candy Crush is available :p
 
RealityCrunch said:
That's not bad at all. Getting close to the theme I've been using in 7 for a few years now :)
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That theme with better icons would be a step in the right direction. Hell, the icon team definitely needs to get fired at Microsoft (if there is such a team). I've seen much better icons made by teens.
 
thelead said:
That theme with better icons would be a step in the right direction. Hell, the icon team definitely needs to get fired at Microsoft (if there is such a team). I've seen much better icons made by teens.
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Yeah, icons are a whole 'nother ballgame. Never have found a theme that had it all. Have to search for custom packs or even make my own. :)
 
damicatz said:
I don't want any fucking tiles. How hard is that for Microsoft to understand? I do not like Metro, I do not want Metro and I don't need a bunch of fugly tiles on my damn start menu. I want simple, text based links to things like documents and control panel on the right and I want my programs on the left.
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Nobody cares what you like. Use XP or Win 7 if you want. Why should MS make an OS to cater to your needs only?
 
thelead said:
Let's be honest, no one's buying a windows tablet until Candy Crush is available :p
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Again, overall I agree with your assessment of the Windows Store and need for more apps. You actually can play Candy Crush just fine on a Windows tablet through Facebook. Even though it's a Flash app, it works perfectly with touch. Microsoft was wise to include Flash support in modern IE. Indeed that support does obviate the need for a lot of apps. Sometimes the Flash app or player may not be the most touch friendly thing but sometimes it would very well.
 
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