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Windows 9 Tech Preview Screenshots

I still don't understand the need or desire for a start menu tree...how often are you browsing installed applications? I know what is installed on my system, I have no desire to see every program available in a program tree. I can simply press the windows key and type "word" or "handbrake" and hit enter faster than I can click the start menu let alone the 1-3 other clicks required to open the program. I think people just need to re-learn how to use a computer effectively.
 
hackztor said:
Windows 8 tried to unify the ui experience with start page, but too many complainers so now they will do start page for tablet and start menu for desktop. One part that worries me is if they get rid of desktop on tablets I wonder if that includes Surface Pro, would kind of make that worthless.
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Desktop is only going away on ARM tablets (Windows Phone and Windows RT are going to unify)
 
MysticRyuujin said:
I still don't understand the need or desire for a start menu tree...how often are you browsing installed applications? I know what is installed on my system, I have no desire to see every program available in a program tree. I can simply press the windows key and type "word" or "handbrake" and hit enter faster than I can click the start menu let alone the 1-3 other clicks required to open the program. I think people just need to re-learn how to use a computer effectively.
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I agree, I haven't used the tree since Vista came out. That is the largest waste of time and space for launching an app.

But some people just want to bitch. They bitch that the start menu was removed, they bitch that they get it back.
 
they must want everyone to transition to android and let windows die in peace.

do they even care anymore?
 
Windows nt / server called, they want their plain flat interface back.

I called and I want aero back.
 
As I said on Maximum PC horrid..... I seen some nice windowblinds themes for windows XP but this is the weakest shit I ever seen. WIndows 8 looks better.
 
They need to get as far away as they can from the Metro crap theme on the desktop screen/start menu for desktops computers. Just my 2 cents.
 
http://winsupersite.com/windows/windows-9-technical-preview-video-leaks-analysis

So we get to see stuff in action. It's pretty much right on the money. Like many suspected yesterday, that area to the right can go away by simply unpinning everything. If you want you can switch back to the Start Screen, as much for x86 tablet users, so it looks like that's taken care of. There's another option button to further configure the Start Menu, I would suspect that there is an option to configure the right to some sort of classic style.

So a few more details to see, particularly what the configuration options are under button in the Start Menu tab but for now it looks like most everyone is get everything they wanted.
 
nutzo said:
Still looks Fugly compared to the Windows 7 UI, but at least it looks a little more usable that Windows 8.

They need to bring back Aero as in Windows 7. It's not like it's a problem graphical load on any of the new chips, as even the built in graphics on the current Atom chips can easily handle it.
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The Win 8.1 can easily be made to look 99% identical to Win7, and the only additional software needed is the (free) start menu from Classic Shell. "ModernUI" is nothing but a clumsy front end bolted on top of the same explorer.exe that drives the Win7 UI. Except that it in Win8.1 it is actually better than the Win7 incarnation. Unless you're a n00b who doesn't know the difference between a ram chip and a mouse, there's no UI-based reason not to be using Win8.1--and the under-the-hood advantages over Win7 are abundant. Looking at the ModernUI in Win8 is entirely optional.
 
heatlesssun said:
http://winsupersite.com/windows/windows-9-technical-preview-video-leaks-analysis

So we get to see stuff in action. It's pretty much right on the money. Like many suspected yesterday, that area to the right can go away by simply unpinning everything. If you want you can switch back to the Start Screen, as much for x86 tablet users, so it looks like that's taken care of. There's another option button to further configure the Start Menu, I would suspect that there is an option to configure the right to some sort of classic style.

So a few more details to see, particularly what the configuration options are under button in the Start Menu tab but for now it looks like most everyone is get everything they wanted.
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While ugly, it looks like they're getting all the settings right. Now only if they can hire some decent designers...
 
thelead said:
While ugly, it looks like they're getting all the settings right. Now only if they can hire some decent designers...
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No doubt there will be aesthetic changes to come before RTM. But if the major thing people are complaining about are the aesthetics which is an extremely subjective issue, then Microsoft is doing what it needs to. Of course there will be many that say that this is what 8 should have been. Well Vista should have been what 7 was and in the end 7 did all right.
 
MV75 said:
Windows nt / server called, they want their plain flat interface back.

I called and I want aero back.
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Actually, on Windows Server, I'd love to see the flat interface back with a standard start menu and no tiles (what's the use on a server of Metro apps?). Will be nice to see what changes are coming in the next server version.

I love Aero Glass, and hope it does make a come back, even if it's not default and is just an option in the desktop personalization settings.
 
Why does everyone want MS to be like Apple? "Keep using the same thing you have since the beginning of time. Never innovate or try new things. Aero worked for me, don't improve what isn't broken."

You all sound like my grandpa. New things aren't going to be perfect the first time. "Why do we have the internet, Newspapers worked just fine!"
 
This is gonna go perfect with my Duplo and Playskool blocks!!
 
Krolik said:
Why does everyone want MS to be like Apple? "Keep using the same thing you have since the beginning of time. Never innovate or try new things. Aero worked for me, don't improve what isn't broken."

You all sound like my grandpa. New things aren't going to be perfect the first time. "Why do we have the internet, Newspapers worked just fine!"
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Apple doesn't give you the option.

Windows 7 gave you the option for "classic windows" themes. Windows 8 didn't give you much for options.

Windows has always been about options. Doing what you want (within reason). Give the option, doesn't have to be default. That's a huge draw for Windows for me.
 
Ur_Mom said:
Apple doesn't give you the option.

Windows 7 gave you the option for "classic windows" themes. Windows 8 didn't give you much for options.

Windows has always been about options. Doing what you want (within reason). Give the option, doesn't have to be default. That's a huge draw for Windows for me.
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The bulk of Windows 8.x was about allowing Windows to work well on tablets, something that Windows 7 didn't provide. Threshold is about further refining the concept of hybrid operation and cleaning up the major issues that desktop users had with the hybrid design. There are now two completely different Start systems, which is an in the box choice that never existed.

We'll see what aesthetic choices come down the line, if any. But the functional choice here is pretty extensive.
 
chaikovski2002 said:
Seriously! Is this a fucking joke? What happened to a minimal professional UI with customizable start menu and maybe aero glass?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--wgAsHWNRE#t=122

Aesthetics aside, those changes generally come last, what's shown in this video is essentially everything everyone has asked for, both desktop and tablet users. This video shows, as I was thinking, that the tiles on the right can be removed and the area collapses. The only major issue I can think of is if that right area can be configured to use conventional static links. It may not be in this preview release but something tells me that there's going to be some way for conventional links to show up on the right. With that change then it truly does address everything. Don't want tiles? Don't use them and out conventional static links on the side.
 
heatlesssun said:
The bulk of Windows 8.x was about allowing Windows to work well on tablets, something that Windows 7 didn't provide. Threshold is about further refining the concept of hybrid operation and cleaning up the major issues that desktop users had with the hybrid design. There are now two completely different Start systems, which is an in the box choice that never existed.

We'll see what aesthetic choices come down the line, if any. But the functional choice here is pretty extensive.
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Who cares about tablets. They should have their own dedicated OS, not some hybrid nonsense that damages the desktop experience.

The bolded=fail philosophy. It will ultimately lose Microsoft the desktop if they continue. Unless they're banking on tablets replacing desktops, in which case *lol.
 
heatlesssun said:
The bulk of Windows 8.x was about allowing Windows to work well on tablets, something that Windows 7 didn't provide. Threshold is about further refining the concept of hybrid operation and cleaning up the major issues that desktop users had with the hybrid design. There are now two completely different Start systems, which is an in the box choice that never existed.

We'll see what aesthetic choices come down the line, if any. But the functional choice here is pretty extensive.
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Yes, yes, the vaunted hybrid OS defense. So hybrid they forced you into the touchscreen UI with a half hearted desktop option. Then they sorta fix it in 8.1 and soon 9.0. What is sad is that MS even thought 8.0 was a good idea as released.
 
wabbitseason said:
Who cares about tablets. They should have their own dedicated OS, not some hybrid nonsense that damages the desktop experience.

The bolded=fail philosophy. It will ultimately lose Microsoft the desktop if they continue. Unless they're banking on tablets replacing desktops, in which case *lol.
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Why does one need two devices when one might do? If there is a tablet app that I like and it can work perfectly fine on a desktop, why not? That's choice. If there is a desktop app that can work well on a tablet, why not? That's choice.
 
Ranulfo said:
Yes, yes, the vaunted hybrid OS defense. So hybrid they forced you into the touchscreen UI with a half hearted desktop option. Then they sorta fix it in 8.1 and soon 9.0. What is sad is that MS even thought 8.0 was a good idea as released.
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I've said since day one that the modern UI needed to be better integrated into the desktop. And that's exactly what's going here. Pretty much everybody is getting what they asked for aesthetics aside for the moment. Don't want a Start Screen or tiles, use the Start Menu without tiles. Like what was in 8, go that route. But in giving everyone what they asked for, obviously somebody isn't going to like something that's there. But all the options to set it up how an old school desktop user wants it or a tablet user or a desktop user that likes the modern stuff are there. For everyone that was complaining about choice, there's a lot less to complain about now it seems.
 
heatlesssun said:
Why does one need two devices when one might do? If there is a tablet app that I like and it can work perfectly fine on a desktop, why not? That's choice. If there is a desktop app that can work well on a tablet, why not? That's choice.
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I'm going to agree with you here. IF done right (and it hasn't been done right yet), a flexible OS that can run on any device would dominate the market. I'm sure this is what Microsoft is betting on.

Now, one HUGE issue they're going to have to overcome is third-party software support on the Metro UI side of things. The Windows 8.1 App Store is abysmal. I have no idea why a company like Microsoft hasn't just paid all the major third-party developers to release their android/iOS apps for Metro. To me, that is their biggest problem right now.
 
chrcoluk said:
agreed aero themes need restoring. Dont like the 1990s styling.
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It's funny how some think that Aero glass is 1990s styling. Indeed the Start Menu is 1990s all the way yet some think it's critical functionality two decades later. I would imagine that Aero is down the list of priorities in that what it brings functionally to the table is highly subjective. If the cost of adding as an option is low it would be helpful in appeasing some folks. I think it's largely irrelevant for average people and the enterprise though.
 
thelead said:
Now, one HUGE issue they're going to have to overcome is third-party software support on the Metro UI side of things. The Windows 8.1 App Store is abysmal. I have no idea why a company like Microsoft hasn't just paid all the major third-party developers to release their android/iOS apps for Metro. To me, that is their biggest problem right now.
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The Windows Store is very thin but not exactly abysmal. Most of the core stuff that people do with apps, eReading, media playback, social networking, actually has some pretty decent support. Microsoft does have some deals with top app developers but they need more. Getting modern apps to work well on the desktop I think is very important in getting more modern app development.
 
I will probably just stick with 8.1 unless I can get an upgrade for $40 or less.

Free would be nice.
 
Staples said:
Glad to see the start screen is still an option.

Suck it haters.
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It has to be for touch devices and there's a great many of those now running Windows. With Windows tablets now hitting the $100 mark, there's probably going to be a steadily increasing number of those devices.
 
wabbitseason said:
Who cares about tablets. They should have their own dedicated OS, not some hybrid nonsense that damages the desktop experience.

The bolded=fail philosophy. It will ultimately lose Microsoft the desktop if they continue. Unless they're banking on tablets replacing desktops, in which case *lol.
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Why care about laptops, laptops aren't as good as a desktop, they shouldn't be allowed to run windows either.
 
heatlesssun said:
The Windows Store is very thin but not exactly abysmal. Most of the core stuff that people do with apps, eReading, media playback, social networking, actually has some pretty decent support. Microsoft does have some deals with top app developers but they need more. Getting modern apps to work well on the desktop I think is very important in getting more modern app development.
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It is abysmal if they want the tablet side of things to be successful. Take a look at the top charts of Android and iOS App stores; the list are nearly the same. Now go take a look at the Windows App store, most of those iOS/Android top apps are missing.

Let's be honest, the BIG sellers on tablets are games. They sell tablets, phones and the games themselves probably account for at least 70% of the top 100 charts. Where are those apps on the Windows store? They're not there. Remember, we're not talking about this being a success for tech nerds. I'm sure Microsoft want this to be a huge success for all consumers.

Sure, but "it's Windows so just install the x86 games" and to that I say "well, is that really selling Windows tablets? Don't you think the ease of installing and playing games on an android or iOS tablet is part of the experience?"

I have no doubt in my mind, if Microsoft fixes the issues with the OS and it had the full catalog of iOS apps, Microsoft would be crushing iPad sales within a year or two. Unfortunately, I don't see them solving the apps problem any time soon.
 
Staples said:
I will probably just stick with 8.1 unless I can get an upgrade for $40 or less.

Free would be nice.
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Last two releases had limited time cheap upgrades. For them to get people to jump to 9 I would expect to see the same here.
 
Exavior said:
Why care about laptops, laptops aren't as good as a desktop, they shouldn't be allowed to run windows either.
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The laptop uses a pointing device and keyboard. Just like a desktop. Unlike a tablet.

Try again with another retard analogy, though.
 
heatlesssun said:
This looks about what the rumors said. If the major problem here for desktop users is the supposed ugliness of the UI, then Microsoft has addressed the major issues it needed to for desktop users. All of the big usability issues that people have complained about for desktop users are resolved here. No full screen Start covering up the full screen, no hidden charms, a Start Menu, such that it is except for the right side with the tiles looks very much like 7's. People will bitch and moan about the flatness or lack of Aero transparency, but regardless of how those issues work out in the end, they had nothing to do with the points Windows 8 opponent made about desktop efficiency or productivity or needing to relearn the UI.

How this works with tablets and hybrids is the big question I have. That Start Menu is great for a lot of desktop users, it certainly won't be for most tablet users.
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I don't want any fucking tiles. How hard is that for Microsoft to understand? I do not like Metro, I do not want Metro and I don't need a bunch of fugly tiles on my damn start menu. I want simple, text based links to things like documents and control panel on the right and I want my programs on the left.
 
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