Windows 8 Sales Rate Higher Than Windows 7

heatlesssun said:
It would depend on the devices in question. For a device the size of the 500T, the onscreen keyboard is very large, it's essentially the size of a 10" netbook keyboard and while not as good as physical keyboard a lot of people can easily be proficient with it.
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Not as good as a physical keyboard. I'm glad to see you're reaching some conclusions.



[QUOTEI wasn't talking about the Surface RT. And it does seem that you aren't as objective as you're saying, especially when you basically post in these threads continuously about technology for which you have not much positive to say about and don't even use.[/QUOTE]

Replace Surface RT with Samsung 500 series tablet and the situation is still pretty much unchanged. The Samsung has less battery life, a smaller screen, and less processor power. It also requires a keyboard and mouse dock to be be competitive in productivity applications which basically turns it into an expensive netbook. :p

LOL! First of all, I don't give a flip about the approval of people around here, I've been buying and using Windows tablets and convertibles for a decade now. And at least I actually talk about things I've actually used in practical terms, again another Windows 8 thread you spam with nothing but comments about ancient devices that nobody wants these days.
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If you weren't concerned about the thought of others you wouldn't still be posting in an attempt to influence them. Also, you're making a lot of assumptions about what I do and don't use without having any evidence to support those assumptions.

heatlesssun said:
Do they run macros or add-ins? Can they handle huge files?
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Wow, that was a quote fail. :p Also, yes, huge files work okay on third party office programs for phones. Who even uses macros on a regular basis except to infect computers with malware?
 
haunter said:
/uses one note

argument invalid :p

but I bet a one note ap will be available for free for win 8 phone/rt since it is for everything else
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A lot of hate for pens around here but OneNote is such a useful app and is great for pen based input though it works perfectly fine with mine and keyboards.
 
SkribbelKat said:
Wow, that was a quote fail. :p Also, yes, huge files work okay on third party office programs for phones. Who even uses macros on a regular basis except to infect computers with malware?
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I've got plenty of multi-million row spreadsheets that I guarantee will not work on most if any phone, heck they choke on a lot of PCs.
 
heatlesssun said:
A lot of hate for pens around here but OneNote is such a useful app and is great for pen based input though it works perfectly fine with mine and keyboards.
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i use it on my android phone w kb.

its syncd to skydrive, so I can type out notes on a PC then go somewhere and there they are, and I can amend it from my phone, or take more notes, and I never have to 'transcibe' anything. its always there
 
heatlesssun said:
I've got plenty of multi-million row spreadsheets that I guarantee will not work on most if any phone, heck they choke on a lot of PCs.
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Who's fault is it that you're using Excel when you should just learn how to use Access? If a spreadsheet is that big, it's well outside the intentions Microsoft had for Excel and probably should be in a database. Don't blame the phone office suites for not compensating for bad human decision-making.
 
SkribbelKat said:
Who's fault is it that you're using Excel when you should just learn how to use Access? If a spreadsheet is that big, it's well outside the intentions Microsoft had for Excel and probably should be in a database. Don't blame the phone office suites for not compensating for bad human decision-making.
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Yeah, Access databases on a phone. That's headed for a disaster.;)
 
To bad microsoft uses live/skydrive for everything. I also don't like the EULA. I prefer my dropbox.

Is there any options in any of the microsoft stuff to do other online cloud storage?
 
Wrench00 said:
To bad microsoft uses live/skydrive for everything. I also don't like the EULA. I prefer my dropbox.

Is there any options in any of the microsoft stuff to do other online cloud storage?
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? you mad microsoft removes all the porn you store using skydrive. Outside of that dropbox and skydrive eula's are pretty identical. Except i get 25GB of free space with skydrive unlike dropbox and i don't have to download any application to use it.
 
heatlesssun said:
I've got plenty of multi-million row spreadsheets that I guarantee will not work on most if any phone, heck they choke on a lot of PCs.
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Multi-million row spreadsheets? In what version, exactly? And why the HELL would you not use a real database for all that data?
 
heatlesssun said:
Yeah, Access databases on a phone. That's headed for a disaster.;)
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I guess you're right. ARM processors like the Tegra 3 in the Surface RT just can't really replace a desktop PC for productivity. It's too bad because, if you add a keyboard to a tablet to make it like a much less expensive netbook, Access would be kind of nice to have.
 
SkribbelKat said:
I guess you're right. ARM processors like the Tegra 3 in the Surface RT just can't really replace a desktop PC for productivity. It's too bad because, if you add a keyboard to a tablet to make it like a much less expensive netbook, Access would be kind of nice to have.
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Got Access 2013 on my Samsung 500T which is faster than any netbook you have. And lighter at least without the keyboard dock. And has batter battery life probably when the dock is added. And has a much better screen. Cheap junk is cheaper than better gear, not that there's anything wrong with cheap junk if it suits the need. But it is obvious point that for some reason you seem to have the need to constantly reiterate.
 
Semantics said:
? you mad microsoft removes all the porn you store using skydrive. Outside of that dropbox and skydrive eula's are pretty identical. Except i get 25GB of free space with skydrive unlike dropbox and i don't have to download any application to use it.
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I just don't agree with MS EULA and yes maybe I like my porn to be portable. . Hard to take a 10 inch tablet or desktop or notebook to the bathroom to do a quick fap :p haha . Since I have my own servers any way I have no use for 25gb of storage. Yes you do have to download apps for andriod or iOS to use it. Since I hate windows shit phones and have no desire to use a tablet I prefer using dropbox. I also don't like the look of metro and prefer Google phones.

I am paranoid. I don't trust any one. Google, MS, Dropbox, I don't keep anything unincripted info on any of the storage clouds. I usually rdp with Pocketwyse into a virtual desktop and do actuall work. I don't use any cloud services for personal reasons, business only.
 
damicatz said:
Can the current Surface run macros? Can it run add-ins?

No?

Then I fail to see how your point is relevant.
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This thread is about Windows 8, not Windows RT and I wasn't talking about Surface RT because it is not a Windows 8 device. I've been specially talking about an Atom Clovertrail device which does run Windows 8 and is actually the same price as the Surface RT.
 
Monkey God said:
Multi-million row spreadsheets? In what version, exactly? And why the HELL would you not use a real database for all that data?
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At our office, people don't know how to design or operate Access databases. That would wind up costing more money as people who are "certified" or have qualified-enough skills and experiences. Company doesn't see enough to justify paying for Training classes/requiring it or hiring people who already have it (who would also demand higher pay).

A lot of people in Accounting use this massive behemoth Excel sheets that are more appropriate in the form of a database (Excel sheets don't qualify as legit databases) -- MySQL, PostgreSQL, Microsoft SQL, Access, etc.
 
Wow ... what's with all the vitriol ... did heatlesssun run over SkribbelKat's cat or something :eek:
 
aronesz said:
At our office, people don't know how to design or operate Access databases. That would wind up costing more money as people who are "certified" or have qualified-enough skills and experiences. Company doesn't see enough to justify paying for Training classes/requiring it or hiring people who already have it (who would also demand higher pay).

A lot of people in Accounting use this massive behemoth Excel sheets that are more appropriate in the form of a database (Excel sheets don't qualify as legit databases) -- MySQL, PostgreSQL, Microsoft SQL, Access, etc.
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My point was with regards to multi-million rows, not using Excel per se.

Even the latest version of Excel is limited to 1 million rows or so, I am calling shens on heatlesssunMSmarketingdrone's "multi-million row" spreadsheets.
 
Monkey God said:
My point was with regards to multi-million rows, not using Excel per se.

Even the latest version of Excel is limited to 1 million rows or so, I am calling shens on heatlesssunMSmarketingdrone's "multi-million row" spreadsheets.
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The only time I have had to deal with million row spreadsheets is when we do extracts from Oracle or SAP ... nobody in their right mind is going to use Access for real DB work ... they will go with a real DB like Oracle or SAP ... at least for corporate business ... I have never worked in any smaller environment so I am not sure what small business does ... I would agree that Access isn't a real DB like Oracle, SQL, or SAP ;)
 
heatlesssun said:
Got Access 2013 on my Samsung 500T which is faster than any netbook you have. And lighter at least without the keyboard dock. And has batter battery life probably when the dock is added. And has a much better screen. Cheap junk is cheaper than better gear, not that there's anything wrong with cheap junk if it suits the need. But it is obvious point that for some reason you seem to have the need to constantly reiterate.
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I have a five year old Dell Latitud D620 that has more processor power, a larger screen, more storage, and it doesn't need a dock to have a keyboard and mouse. It also can last longer on a single charge than your tablet. Most inexpensive notebook PCs have the same advantages, including a Compaq Presario CQ57 from Wal-Mart's website.
 
I mean you COULD put a million rows in one sheet and then add another sheet...but you'd run out of RAM very, very quickly. Just because you can....and all that.

*shudder*
 
kbrickley said:
Wow ... what's with all the vitriol ... did heatlesssun run over SkribbelKat's cat or something :eek:
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My cat is like unvincible or something. :p I'm pretty sure any attempts to defeat my kitteh would be stopped by either sleeping apathy or adorable cuteness (on the off chance that he's awake).
 
ManofGod said:
That would mean then that Linux on the desktop must suck, eh? :rolleyes: After all, it is "free" and cannot even touch windows on the desktop for shear numbers.
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If you had a point in that completely irrelevant comparison, I missed it.
 
SkribbelKat said:
I have a five year old Dell Latitud D620 that has more processor power, a larger screen, more storage, and it doesn't need a dock to have a keyboard and mouse. It also can last longer on a single charge than your tablet. Most inexpensive notebook PCs have the same advantages, including a Compaq Presario CQ57 from Wal-Mart's website.
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Larger, lower res screen. Longer battery life on a single charge?

The D620 can be configured with a 4-cell, 6-cell or 9-cell battery. The battery location is rather odd relative to other notebooks in that it is at the front and not the back of the laptop. If you get an extended life 9-cell battery it will stick out of the front a bit and create a sort of lip that extends 0.9". I have the 6-cell type battery and it does not stick out at all. With wi-fi on and screen at mid-brightness and doing tasks such as web browsing and emailing I got 2h 36m of battery life. That's decent, but not great. There are certainly thin-and-lights with better and I prefer to see 3 hours or a little more for a thin-and-light travel notebook. If you were to upgrade to the 9-cell you would certainly exceed 3 hours, but at the cost of extra weight and increased notebook size.
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http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=2846
 
SkribbelKat said:
Wow, that was a quote fail. :p Also, yes, huge files work okay on third party office programs for phones. Who even uses macros on a regular basis except to infect computers with malware?
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I do. That, plus VBA... It can get really fun.

For most people, basic Excel works fine, though.
 
kbrickley said:
I would agree that Access isn't a real DB like Oracle, SQL, or SAP ;)
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Anyone that's done real work or even a little (myself) with a database knows this.

Access is fine for little things. Anything professional or enterprise ready requires something better. Even Microsoft offers SQL Server for those needs.
 
Ur_Mom said:
Anyone that's done real work or even a little (myself) with a database knows this.

Access is fine for little things. Anything professional or enterprise ready requires something better. Even Microsoft offers SQL Server for those needs.
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Yeah, Access is just a relational database in concept but has none of the infrastructure of a true RDMS. People will throw together a lot of quick a dirty systems in Access that actually do the job for a while but then don't scale.
 
heatlesssun said:
Yeah, Access is just a relational database in concept but has none of the infrastructure of a true RDMS. People will throw together a lot of quick a dirty systems in Access that actually do the job for a while but then don't scale.
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Yes, we tried to do environmental data collections using Access back in 2006 and it bogged down real fast ... we later switched to SQL and then into the full blown databases ... now we use a tool that interfaces with our Oracle Db :cool:
 
SkribbelKat said:
Literacy isn't your strong point. Nine cell plus battery that replaces ROM drive in modular bay gives lots more life than that.
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And math isn't yours. If one 9 cell delivers 3 hours, two delivers only six. That's not coming anywhere near ten, try again.
 
heatlesssun said:
And math isn't yours. If one 9 cell delivers 3 hours, two delivers only six. That's not coming anywhere near ten, try again.
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I am kinda lame at math, but I've actually used the poor little thing in an airport on a layover for nearly eight hours and had about 30% left when I finally got on the plane. I was sitting there working on a novel in Word so its not demanding stuff, but six hours would be an unrealistically low estimate. Even a super old C600 with a Pentium III with two batteries can last six hours with two batteries. And a Palm can last a couple months on two AAA batteries while still being a lot faster to turn on and open programs then a Windows 8 tablet.
 
aronesz said:
At our office, people don't know how to design or operate Access databases. That would wind up costing more money as people who are "certified" or have qualified-enough skills and experiences. Company doesn't see enough to justify paying for Training classes/requiring it or hiring people who already have it (who would also demand higher pay).

A lot of people in Accounting use this massive behemoth Excel sheets that are more appropriate in the form of a database (Excel sheets don't qualify as legit databases) -- MySQL, PostgreSQL, Microsoft SQL, Access, etc.
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+1. A lot of people think that just because the company has huge revenues that all of the sudden means they got infinite budgets to design databases.

I consult a lot one of my customers have huge revenues but their entire network consist of 15 users. They are almost all dedicated to Bookkeeping and Shipping and Receiving.

Why people have this stigma that all large companies are all somehow white color corporations. Oil field industry is the opposite.
 
SkribbelKat said:
I am kinda lame at math, but I've actually used the poor little thing in an airport on a layover for nearly eight hours and had about 30% left when I finally got on the plane. I was sitting there working on a novel in Word so its not demanding stuff, but six hours would be an unrealistically low estimate. Even a super old C600 with a Pentium III with two batteries can last six hours with two batteries. And a Palm can last a couple months on two AAA batteries while still being a lot faster to turn on and open programs then a Windows 8 tablet.
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Fair enough. But I wouldn't call needing more in battery weight than the weight of a an entire device that can easily match it as a major feat. If you're always going to discount weight that's fine. However weight and battery life is what sells mobile devices these days.
 
heatlesssun said:
Fair enough. But I wouldn't call needing more in battery weight than the weight of a an entire device that can easily match it as a major feat. If you're always going to discount weight that's fine. However weight and battery life is what sells mobile devices these days.
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Even I don't care about weight, but for those that do, a phone makes the most sense.

Oh..and blah, blah, blah...battery life screenshot with Dell set to power save scheme and whatever...

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I was sorta expecting it to show 13 hours, but both my batteries are like over a year old now and they were cheapo generic ones from Amazon. Probably with it showing 11 at idle, it'd be more realistic to see like 8 or 9 on light use.
 
SkribbelKat said:
Even I don't care about weight, but for those that do, a phone makes the most sense.

Oh..and blah, blah, blah...battery life screenshot with Dell set to power save scheme and whatever...

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I was sorta expecting it to show 13 hours, but both my batteries are like over a year old now and they were cheapo generic ones from Amazon. Probably with it showing 11 at idle, it'd be more realistic to see like 8 or 9 on light use.
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But a phone isn't a Windows x86 PC. And that D620 still weighs twice and much as a 500T with the keyboard which would still get better battery life, though not as fast on the top end. You have you preferences and that's fine but they clearly not in alignment for people looking for ever thinner and lighters devices. Yes there's a higher cost to those devices but some are willing to pay.
 
I used to have a system with a T7200 (my first Core 2) in it, it was glorious. :)
 
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