Windows 8 Consumer Preview Date Confirmed

Unknown-One said:
The Developer Preview is known to be missing the customization panel entirely (and other major chunks of Metro UI). The consumer preview is looking for more complete.
Click to expand...

Thats why i'm holding final judgement for the more final product! But at the moment...it looks just terrible! None of the screens have a constant scheme either...it looks like the developers used presets or 5 different people did it without any planning or communication between them. :D

Ur_Mom said:
With the new preview of 8, you have a lot more customization as far as the MetroUI is involved. Colors, tiles, etc.. They aren't going to force you to use their way or no way.
Click to expand...

Does that mean I can dump the junky metro entirely if I so wish? :p
 
Unknown-One said:
I'm still not seeing the "junky" here...
Click to expand...

It just feels redundant...like the win+tab thing in vista/7 (which 8 doesn't appear to have) which was used in all the ads for vista to be "flashy" but had 0 real point.

The whole of windows is about the desktop. Junking it up with some seperate other screen, which works like a the start menu did...just with less stuff displayed and taking up the full screen, just screams "marketing feature". As you can tell it will feature heavily in the TV ads, but doesn't really add anything.

Ur_Mom said:
"junky" = different, new, the unknown. Some people fear change. The death of the CLI to Windows lasted until just a few years ago.
Click to expand...

Yes...or because it's just crap and worse than what it replaces. :confused:
 
CrimsonKnight13 said:
heatlesssun,

I dub thee "[H]ardcore Metro Evangelist"

I swear every single thread about Windows 8 ends up with you defending anything about the Metro UI. Can you list the hypothetically negative impacts that it may have?
Click to expand...

Sure, there will be training issues and the bottom line is that no matter what Microsoft does short of allow the Start Screen to be changed back to Start Menu millions of people won't like new Start Screen, but that's generally true of any change that Microsoft makes in Windows, there's plenty of people that think Windows 2000 or XP have the perfect UI.

And Metro isn't really a visual thing of beauty, that's not what it's about, it's about applications doing virtually all of the presentation with virtually no chrome.

But what it lacks in chrome and glitz it makes up for in simplicity and utility.
 
heatlesssun said:
Sure, there will be training issues and the bottom line is that no matter what Microsoft does short of allow the Start Screen to be changed back to Start Menu millions of people won't like new Start Screen, but that's generally true of any change that Microsoft makes in Windows, there's plenty of people that think Windows 2000 or XP have the perfect UI.

And Metro isn't really a visual thing of beauty, that's not what it's about, it's about applications doing virtually all of the presentation with virtually no chrome.

But what it lacks in chrome and glitz it makes up for in simplicity and utility.
Click to expand...

I'll take your word for it & test the functionality out with an open mind. I'm unsure what to expect when I fully utilize it in the beta.
 
If nothing else, I'm looking forward to trying this out on my HTPC. The standard desktop is still pretty clunky when I'm sitting on my couch.

I don't see why anyone is getting bent out of shape over this though. If for some reason MS doesn't add the ability to opt out of the MetroUI then just don't buy it and continue using Win7...it's not going anywhere. Even if it doesn't suit every PC user it was still very smart for them to develop a phone/tablet/touch-friendly OS.
 
I guess I should think about updateing from "Bob".........
 
The big question I have is...will it let me use a second monitor, a small touch screen monitor, along with my big desktop monitor, in such a way as to use the second device as a multitouch app controller?
 
BDS23 said:
Seriously, I can't wait to see how many will remain with Windows 7 a year after 8's commercial release.
Click to expand...

It will likely be those who do actual work. That part will take another two years to switch over at a minimum. It's only lately that third party vendors have produced Win 7 enterprise apps that are workable.
 
When i press the start button... I do one of three things:

-I use windows search to launch a program i don't use that often
-I open control panel (which can be done through above)
-I shut off the PC

The start bar offers all of those, how is that a problem?

All the programs i want to run are pinned to the task bar and I use Bins to organize my programs.

There are absolutely no icons on my desktop and my task bar is on the side.

I guess i'm ready for the metro UI.....
 
BBA said:
Aero Snap works perfectly for me on both monitors with Win 7. What part of it doesn't work for you?
Click to expand...

Yes, you have to use the Win + arrow key with standalone multiple monitors. And it works EXACTLY the same in Windows 8 Developer Preview, I using my multi-monitor Windows 8 system right now.
 
BBA said:
The big question I have is...will it let me use a second monitor, a small touch screen monitor, along with my big desktop monitor, in such a way as to use the second device as a multitouch app controller?
Click to expand...

At least with x86 machines on the desktop there's no reason one couldn't have a program that runs on the touch screen monitor that's a keyboard and or mouse.
 
BBA said:
It will likely be those who do actual work. That part will take another two years to switch over at a minimum. It's only lately that third party vendors have produced Win 7 enterprise apps that are workable.
Click to expand...

One can do pretty much all of the actual work they do on Windows 7 on 8, app compatibility between 7 and 8 should be close to 100% but of course there's always exceptions and those do tend to happen in the business world that's always a release behind in Windows deployments anyway.

I do see companies that want to use tablets in the enterprise rolling 8 before others. Tablets now will be no different from an enterprise perspective than desktops and laptops and the apps that roll out to tablets will work just fine on Windows 8 desktops and laptops. This is big advantage that Windows 8 has over iOS and Android has in the enterprise tablet space.
 
BBA said:
Aero Snap works perfectly for me on both monitors with Win 7. What part of it doesn't work for you?
Click to expand...
I just said a few posts ago... and I can guarantee that you're experiencing exactly the same problem.

When you have multiple monitors and attempt to use Aero Snap, you cannot use the mouse to snap the the boundaries between screens (only keyboard shortcuts work).

In a dual-monitor configuration:
1. You CANNOT snap a window to the right side of the left monitor using the mouse.
2. You CANNOT snap a window to the left side of the right monitor using the mouse.

Normally, dragging the title-bar of a window to the top of the screen causes an aero-snap maximize. If I place a 3rd monitor above the first two, then this functionality becomes disabled on the lower two monitors.

You can still perform these actions using keyboard shortcuts, but Aero Snap just becomes more and more broken for mouse-usage as you add monitors.
 
Unknown-One said:
You can still perform these actions using keyboard shortcuts, but Aero Snap just becomes more and more broken for mouse-usage as you add monitors.
Click to expand...

There's nothing "broken" about Aero and multiple monitors, there's simply ambiguity introduced with multiple monitors and standard mouse only operation that can be mitigated with the use of a mouse with programmable macro buttons.
 
heatlesssun said:
There's nothing "broken" about Aero and multiple monitors, there's simply ambiguity introduced with multiple monitors and standard mouse only operation that can be mitigated with the use of a mouse with programmable macro buttons.
Click to expand...
On one monitor, I can snap to any edge using the mouse.
On multiple monitors, monitor boundaries become un-snapable using the mouse.

I call that "broken" multi-monitor support.
 
Unknown-One said:
On one monitor, I can snap to any edge using the mouse.
On multiple monitors, monitor boundaries become un-snapable using the mouse.

I call that "broken" multi-monitor support.
Click to expand...
Go ahead, tell me your magical solution to tell snapping apart from dragging to another monitor then.
 
Unknown-One said:
On one monitor, I can snap to any edge using the mouse.
On multiple monitors, monitor boundaries become un-snapable using the mouse.

I call that "broken" multi-monitor support.
Click to expand...

But that's just it, on multiple monitors where are the boundaries? If one drags a window from one monitor to another normally the expectation would be for the window to move to the other monitor, not to snap on the edge of the first monitor. I guess you could provide a standard mouse only way to it, say with simultaneous left and right clicks perhaps.
 
Arainach said:
Go ahead, tell me your magical solution to tell snapping apart from dragging to another monitor then.
Click to expand...
A setting that allows you to pause within a small margin of the edge of a screen boundary to tell the system you want to snap would work fine for me.

As it is... the worst-case-scenario for Aero Snap (as far as the mouse is concerned) is pretty bleak. I'd like to put a monitor hanging over my current Eyefinity setup, but I've gotten quite used to being able to maximize my banging a window against the top of a screen with my mouse, and putting a monitor up there would disable that feature entirely.

Here's what ends up happening in such a setup:
6mtfN.png
 
Unknown-One said:
A setting that allows you to pause within a small margin of the edge of a screen boundary to tell the system you want to snap would work fine for me.

As it is... the worst-case-scenario for Aero Snap (as far as the mouse is concerned) is pretty bleak. I'd like to put a monitor hanging over my current Eyefinity setup, but I've gotten quite used to being able to maximize my banging a window against the top of a screen with my mouse, and putting a monitor up there would disable that feature entirely.

Here's what ends up happening in such a setup:
6mtfN.png
Click to expand...

I don't think anyone is having problems understanding what you're describing. To us it just seems like a completely non-issue. I use aero snap on multimonitor setups every day and while I was aware of the behavior you are describing it is NOT broken. When I drag a window towards another monitor, I WANT that window to go to the other monitor.

While something like the right click idea described by others sounds cool and I'd definitely use it, its not very necessary as you can just tap Win-Left/Right/Up.
 
Veilrap said:
When I drag a window towards another monitor, I WANT that window to go to the other monitor.
Click to expand...
Look at the image you quoted. There are no monitors above the bottom-right or bottom-left screens.

Aero snap still doesn't work on those screens, despite it being a solid boundary. Seems broken to me.
 
Edit: cant snap to the left or right side of the top monitor either, despite there being no monitors to its left or right... Seeing the problem?
 
Unknown-One said:
A setting that allows you to pause within a small margin of the edge of a screen boundary to tell the system you want to snap would work fine for me.

As it is... the worst-case-scenario for Aero Snap (as far as the mouse is concerned) is pretty bleak. I'd like to put a monitor hanging over my current Eyefinity setup, but I've gotten quite used to being able to maximize my banging a window against the top of a screen with my mouse, and putting a monitor up there would disable that feature entirely.

Here's what ends up happening in such a setup:
6mtfN.png
Click to expand...

This is actually incorrect, you can snap to the top of the left and right monitor
 
And before you call shens, I have that exact monitor setup at home and the only parts it doesnt snap is where the monitors meet at the left, right and top of the center monitor.

also to be clear i'm with you 100% in that I wish it did this, i was just correcting what you said about how it currently works.

newdesk01.JPG
 
AMD T-type said:
I was just correcting what you said about how it currently works.
Click to expand...
Then you're seeing something entirely different than I am. I just plugged a 1920x1200 monitor into my system and told Windows it was above my three lower displays.

Snap stopped working across the top of all three of the lower displays...
 
markqc said:
...my guess is this will be a new 'vista' - - a memory hog that is worse that the previous version - - that way, we will be happy when windows 9 comes out - - like we are now with windows 7...
Click to expand...

This is going around too much. The next Vista/ME! I mean. Windows 7 is like amazing, I'm sure itll just be Windows 7 with tablet features. I'm actually very excited. even more excited to see it on a Tablet.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top