Windows 7 Still Slated for 2010

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Last week we reported that Windows 7 was slated for 2010. Then we had Bill gates come out this weekend and say Microsoft’s next OS would be coming out “sometime next year.” Less than 48 hours later, we are back to a 2010 release date.

Sure, Bill Gates just happened to mention that we'd see a new version of the OS "Sometime in the next year or so," but it's looking like that "or so" makes a world of difference. Microsoft wants to chill everyone out with the somber news that its got no plans to introduce Windows 7 any earlier than January 2010 (three years from the launch of Vista), and reassure us that crazy old Gates may have just been talkin' developer speak. "
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I knew they weren't going to release it in 2009. If they were, then we would be seeing beta 1 right about now.
 
I'm sure B.Gates was referring to a RTM or beta release next year. MS needs to get Win7 out soon because corporate is not going to install the steaming pile called Vista and WinXP pro is EOL this June.
 
Why do I get this foreboding sense that Windows 7 is going to make appreciation of Vista look really good by comparison.
 
This should be interesting news in 2010...or there abouts. Look on the bright side, you'll get 2 more years outta XP.
 
I knew it couldnt be true it doesnt make sense. Gates probably hurt sales of Vista by saying this.
 
When is less important than that he's super-enthused!

(Reggie Perrin, anyone?)
 
2010 my ass. When was the last time an OS got released on time?

On the other hand, the best thing they could do is change the graphics in XP and re-release it. Then it would be on time.
 
Isn't there enough hate left over in these forums to rant and rave about what a "steaming pile" Vista still is? I have yet to give up on it for some odd reason. I guess I really just have to come to the realization that we should just look forward to the next windows and call this p.o.s. a flop. Damn, and I have that free Ultimate Edition on its way too!
 
I think after the punch in the gut that was VIsta, M$ will really try to make something that is better for the end user. I'm just afraid that there going to try charging $700 a copy for windows 7 to make up for the flop of Vista.
 
Well, try to think of it this way. They released ME, which having been a very short-term user was one of Microsoft's cruelest jokes on an unsuspecting public. That was so bad I went back to 98SE and stayed there until XP SP1 ... I personally love XP, have both home and pro. Now the SP3? I'm not so sure about. I have all my updates, and reading that there were "enhancements" almost makes it sound like vista "lite", kind of a way to ease the rest of us into saying OK Fine, I'll get the freaking Vista.

My roundabout point is they inflicted ME on us, it was a nightmare, then XP came along - and once SP1 was released it was and is (to me) a good operating system - and yes I remember the horror of trying to get SP2 while still on dial-up, oh boy. Maybe Windows 7 will be the next XP, just like to me Vista is the current ME.

Microsoft really needs to just streamline, refine and simplify if they're gonna release another o/s, which of course they have to. Gotta get that money! The people I know who have Vista, regardless of flavor, all seem to have turned all the bells and whistles off.

Please don't hurt me for not liking Vista
 
ditzilla said:
My roundabout point is they inflicted ME on us, it was a nightmare, then XP came along - and once SP1 was released it was and is (to me) a good operating system - and yes I remember the horror of trying to get SP2 while still on dial-up, oh boy. Maybe Windows 7 will be the next XP, just like to me Vista is the current ME...

Please don't hurt me for not liking Vista
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What is with the "Vista is the new ME bullshit?"

Everyone wanted a more secure platform, Microsoft made it. What kind of new features were you expecting? Its also the first 64-bit OS with support from all major hardware manufacturers. I also like all the little things like the new DVD maker and the new versions of Media Center and Movie Maker.
 
It is secure but it also became more convoluted in the process. Fortunately there was a big boost in gaming performance and start-up time with SP1.
 
I think when he said we would see it some time next year he was more referring to the people who scoured the internet for the latest build of "longhorn" before vista was out, or people who test/develop the os. Im sure we will hear about it in more detail next year and i'm pretty sure thats what hes getting at.
 
I actually like vista, seems much more responsive when I have more windows open.
 
In the past month they have given probably 5 end dates for this OS. I think someone in Microsoft's PR needs to get their shit together. :rolleyes:
 
Who cares. I don't really have high hopes for Windows 7 anyway after what happened to Vista. But lets hope Microsoft learned their lesson after what happened to Vista.

Though I'm curious to see what Windows 7 looks like though.
 
I still just don't get the Vista = ME comparisons. A much better comparison would be Vista ~= Windows 2000. It's takes more resources than XP (just as Win2K took more than Win98). Driver support was lacking out of the gate for both Win2K and Vista. Each was more expensive than the previous release. But they're both stable, forward-thinking OSes.

I'm also hoping that Windows 7 will be analogous to Windows XP, but as a Windows 2000 follow-up, not a WinME follow-up. I think those making the ME comparison forget just how truly, soul-crushingly, teeth-gnashingly, hair-pullyingly worthless that POS was. Kids these days, I tell ya...
 
If SP3 of XP brought on the features that Vista has for Media Center and DX10, I never would have switched. Vista is horrible, and wish I never payed for it. How is Windows 7 going to be out so soon when Vista took 6 years and still has major usability issues? Or is Windows 7 is to Windows Vista like Windows XP is to Windows 2000? Add some stability and reduce system overhead?
 
ShagnWagn said:
Vista is horrible, and wish I never payed for it. How is Windows 7 going to be out so soon when Vista took 6 years and still has major usability issues?
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What's so damn horrible about it? What usability features are messed up?
 
I want to see future OS's only supporting 64bit, 32bit computing should die the same way Vista will.
 
Is it bad I really want 7 and I want it now?

I'm skipping over Vista. Yes, I've used it. No, I don't wish to discuss it. Take my word for it, I don't like it and I don't give a shit what you think.
 
DeathFromBelow said:
What's so damn horrible about it? What usability features are messed up?
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off the top of my head:

1. the gadget bar covers up usable desktop space. when i try to move a shortcut over on the far right of the screen, it snaps back.
2. every time i go into explorer view and click on a folder, it removes the explorer "folders" view - very aggravating; winxp would retain the explorer folders view
3. UAC is annoying; i launch the same things on startup every time - there should be an "accept always" option when it bugs you more than three times; I don't want UAC off, but ridiculous I have to allow the same applications to run over and over
4. probably just specific to me, but going into standby mode and resuming usually results in a BSOD
5. the OEM copy of Vista Ultimate I purchased requires activation; give me my non-activation copy
6.Vista will randomly change my speaker settings back to 2 channel, happens on both of my systems with add-in sound cards and also on the integrated sound
7. lack of driver compatibility - i could often use windows 2000 drivers on winxp; my printer, gamepad, scanner don't have any drivers for Vista - and i can't use winxp drivers; so i have to buy new hardware that is only a few years old just to use Vista? grr. granted not Vista's fault, but another reason that gives it usability issues; I guess we will have to do the same thing again with Windows 7? :(
8. folder-specific view often resets and does not save settings per folder; i set control panel or my games folder for medium icons and it resets to default

I'm sure there are other nuances I'm forgetting, but those stand out the most. Perhaps some of you already found fixes/workarounds for this stuff?

Like I said, if it weren't for the updates in Media Center and to a lesser extent DX10, I would still be on WinXP. Still no HD-DVD or Blu-ray support for MCE... let alone have to hack the registry to allow the DVD library.

So really, how about polishing this turd before they dump (pun intended) a new one on us? ;)
 
I have been finding that each OS seems to get more bloatware infused into each generation.

I'm going back to Windows 3.11
 
Meh. Aside from my gaming needs I don't find windows all that worthwhile anymore. Ubuntu has changed my life.
 
...what was the point of Vista then. Should have just sticked with XP for another two years.
 
tacosareveryyummy said:
Meh. Aside from my gaming needs I don't find windows all that worthwhile anymore. Ubuntu has changed my life.
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Ditto for me with OS X. I have Ubuntu on a separate partition though and I plan on playing around with it some more when I have time.
 
so what, xp was just a minor bump up from 2000 on the totem pole for ms? And now vista is 6 and the next windows is 7?
 
ShagnWagn said:
off the top of my head:

1. the gadget bar covers up usable desktop space. when i try to move a shortcut over on the far right of the screen, it snaps back.
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Any sort of gadget/widget bar is going to be in the way of the desktop when it's in use. You can still have icons/folders behind it. I think you can hit windows key + spacebar to open/minimize the sidebar.
2. every time i go into explorer view and click on a folder, it removes the explorer "folders" view - very aggravating; winxp would retain the explorer folders view
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I haven't had this problem. The folders/favorite folders column is always open for me.

3. UAC is annoying; i launch the same things on startup every time - there should be an "accept always" option when it bugs you more than three times; I don't want UAC off, but ridiculous I have to allow the same applications to run over and over
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I would like to see that sort of feature (I've got a few games that require admin privileges), but I haven't found it to be that annoying. I turn it off when I set up a new system and then turn it back on. Linux based OS's have been doing something similar for years. I'ts annoying, but its a major security improvement.

4. probably just specific to me, but going into standby mode and resuming usually results in a BSOD
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Yeah, sounds like a driver issue.

5. the OEM copy of Vista Ultimate I purchased requires activation; give me my non-activation copy
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What's your point. It was the same with XP. :confused:

6.Vista will randomly change my speaker settings back to 2 channel, happens on both of my systems with add-in sound cards and also on the integrated sound
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I can't say I've seen this problem.
7. lack of driver compatibility - i could often use windows 2000 drivers on winxp; my printer, gamepad, scanner don't have any drivers for Vista - and i can't use winxp drivers; so i have to buy new hardware that is only a few years old just to use Vista? grr. granted not Vista's fault, but another reason that gives it usability issues; I guess we will have to do the same thing again with Windows 7? :(
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What gamepad are you using? Vista and XP have generic drivers for USB game pads. If you're using an old gameport pad its time to upgrade.

I can understand being mad about the printer and scanner, but that's the hardware manufacturer's issue, not Microsoft's. They would have pulled the same shit if Vista had come out 2 years after XP. You should be glad Vista took awhile. ;)

8. folder-specific view often resets and does not save settings per folder; i set control panel or my games folder for medium icons and it resets to default
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I haven't had this problem either. All my folders seem to retain their settings.
 
While I agree with folder views being buggy (and changing all the time to things you didn't specify!) and potential driver problems with your hardware (which are not entirely Microsoft's fault), I think the rest of your arguments are bullshit. UAC - don't like it? Turn it off. Widgets - don't like them? Close them. Seriously, people. These shouldn't be arguments against Vista.
 
Cyrilix said:
While I agree with folder views being buggy (and changing all the time to things you didn't specify!) and potential driver problems with your hardware (which are not entirely Microsoft's fault), I think the rest of your arguments are bullshit. UAC - don't like it? Turn it off. Widgets - don't like them? Close them. Seriously, people. These shouldn't be arguments against Vista.
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I agree. Lots of these things are on by default but they can easily be turned off.
 
Cyrilix said:
While I agree with folder views being buggy (and changing all the time to things you didn't specify!) and potential driver problems with your hardware (which are not entirely Microsoft's fault), I think the rest of your arguments are bullshit. UAC - don't like it? Turn it off. Widgets - don't like them? Close them. Seriously, people. These shouldn't be arguments against Vista.
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I think your arguments are bullshit. I could really care less if you think my personal experience with Vista is BS or not. I like UAC, but I hate the fact it is either all or nothing. How hard would it be to have an option like "always trust" like for IE plug-ins?? I like the widgets, but they should be transparent and not put an invisible bar over the desktop.

Like I said, minor nuances, but when it took them 6+ years to build this freakin thing I would have expected a product a little more polished than this. I guess everybody just learns to live with it like a 600lb gorilla on their back. ;)

DeathFromBelow said:
Any sort of gadget/widget bar is going to be in the way of the desktop when it's in use. You can still have icons/folders behind it. I think you can hit windows key + spacebar to open/minimize the sidebar.

I haven't had this problem. The folders/favorite folders column is always open for me.


I would like to see that sort of feature (I've got a few games that require admin privileges), but I haven't found it to be that annoying. I turn it off when I set up a new system and then turn it back on. Linux based OS's have been doing something similar for years. I'ts annoying, but its a major security improvement.


Yeah, sounds like a driver issue.


What's your point. It was the same with XP. :confused:


I can't say I've seen this problem.

What gamepad are you using? Vista and XP have generic drivers for USB game pads. If you're using an old gameport pad its time to upgrade.

I can understand being mad about the printer and scanner, but that's the hardware manufacturer's issue, not Microsoft's. They would have pulled the same shit if Vista had come out 2 years after XP. You should be glad Vista took awhile. ;)


I haven't had this problem either. All my folders seem to retain their settings.
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Thank you for the constructive feedback. I had to disable the windows key because it always gets pressed at the worse time while in a game :eek:. I'm using a Gravis Xterminator USB gamepad. I already replaced it with a xbox360 controller, but still another added cost just to run Vista.

Hopefully Windows 7 doesn't require me to buy all new peripherals again. I supposed they could only release DX11 for Win7. rinse and repeat. heh
 
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