Ok here is the thing. I just bought a brand new gts250 ilde around 42c and never above 66c even when furmarking so here is the thing I ran windows xp for about a day and decided to upgrade to win7 trial. I caught a virus the same day i installed my graphics card. so before i had installed it i was playing call of duty world at ware and never dip below 55 fps at all... after installing windows 7 im getting 25 fps ingame. I updated directly off of nvida for win7 driver. i uesd the driver off of the cd that came with the computer for windows x before reformatting. When playing halo combat evolved i get 60 fps but when strafing i get 20 even if nobody else is on the serveer. i have 4gb of ram a e1200 and like i said using the latest drivers. I was wondering is this a common thing for 64 bit windows 7 and will 32 bit have better perforance? sheesh I know nothing is wrong with my hardware.
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Oh damn, I definitely missed that.
How the heck were you getting World at War to play at 55fps on that? Were you on the lowest settings?
Reinstalled xp it's now 3.00 am i don't know wtf was going on but i assure you xp is running 10 times better.
it was wierd in halo combat evolved i would dipinto the low 20's now im steady 60fps again. don't know whats up wiht that
I get 55 fps average when there are explosions it dips into the lower 30's win7 25 max 10 miniimum
halo lagged if there was more 4 rockets exploding 9 fps i was using 186.18? i think. also this was a fresh windows 7 64 bit install 2 days ago.
overall i like windows7 10 times better then xp everything was snappier by far. also i cold use my harddrive out of ide emulation as well. i'm stuck with no floppy drive as my mb isn't legacy. and i don't know how to striline an xp cd even though i read about it.
average is 43-45 not 55
it was wierd in halo combat evolved i would dipinto the low 20's now im steady 60fps again. don't know whats up wiht that
I get 55 fps average when there are explosions it dips into the lower 30's win7 25 max 10 miniimum
halo lagged if there was more 4 rockets exploding 9 fps i was using 186.18? i think. also this was a fresh windows 7 64 bit install 2 days ago.
overall i like windows7 10 times better then xp everything was snappier by far. also i cold use my harddrive out of ide emulation as well. i'm stuck with no floppy drive as my mb isn't legacy. and i don't know how to striline an xp cd even though i read about it.
average is 43-45 not 55
DX10, probably! Are those games DX10 titles?
Considering XP limits your card to DX9 operation, that'd explain the performance difference. There's no doubt you're gonna get more frames per second if you're not doing 'as much' graphics.
halo is an 8 year old game i got 60 fps on it and 145 fps wiht no vsync on a 6600gt with the e1200. I bought a gts250 and it came with call of duty waw. i immediatly downloaded win7 because i wanted to use dx10 and it was free Release candidate until 2010 (june). well on win7 halo got like 60 fps and 500-600 with vsycn off. but as soon as i started walking it would go to like 20 fps and stutter really badly if there was gernade. 2 day old clean install. it was the first halo. like on the xbox 1. I play on pc becasue its free multiplayer online. I wiped it off and put xp back on becasue i wanted to make sure my card was ok. also in the control panel on nvidia on win7 it gave you the option to scale with the video card are the display which was cool but. it would never let you it always went back to default which was a big mess wiht custom resolutions and such. really buggy. i didn't try a vista driver on win7 even though ti was compatible. by the way my e1200 49.99 wiht a gts 250 that was 119.99 with free shppin and a 20 mail in rebate is better then an e5200 that was 90 dollars when i bought my computer. i would of had like 70 bucks for a card. im sorry but an e5200 which is what i coudl afford at the time. with a 70 dollar card would getting eatn by my e1200 and gts250(8800gt on steroids)
i said i would rather oc a cheap proccesor and have a better video card. then for instance a i7 945 and a integrated 9100gpu etc.... dont pick on me
no i wasn;t on the lowes settings i changed 1024 by 768 to 1680 by 1050 and turend 4x antialising down to 2x anitalsing..
ill report back what everyhting is on low .
i said i would rather oc a cheap proccesor and have a better video card. then for instance a i7 945 and a integrated 9100gpu etc....
dont pick on meno i wasn;t on the lowes settings i changed 1024 by 768 to 1680 by 1050 and turend 4x antialising down to 2x anitalsing..
ill report back what everyhting is on low .
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Your CPU is holding you back. Get a cheap dual-core C2D and overclock it to 3.0-3.2 GHz to remove the bottleneck.
A crappy CPU with a high end GPU is going to perform crappily in everything. A high end CPU with a crappy GPU is going to perform great in everything except high end games. You would have been far better off getting the faster CPU and the $70 GPU. Also, video cards are generally easier to upgrade down the road than a CPU, and it's usually easier to sell the old video card than it is to sell the old CPU
Plus, if your GPU is holding you back you can usually improve performance to more acceptable levels by turning down the settings. If your CPU is holding you back, there's really nothing you can do.
it's running stock right now but i have had it to 2600 mhz from 1600 on darknight! My freind just bought an e5200 and a 4670 my rig runs better then his in games. but i understand the cpu is holding me back. I will upgrade it from an old dell are something that craps out but the cpu is still fine from the pc shop down the road.
ok so i installed xp again then installed windows7 on a seperate partition. in 3d mark 06 i get 7938 3d marks on xp but in windows 7 i get 7832 so i know that these aren't going to be comparable to real world performance but it seems the drivers have to be buggy becasue. in xp im still getting 60 straight fps all the time but in w7 im dropping into the lower 20's even when straffing like i said in halo 1. I read soemthing about windows haveing a power usage thingy are soemthing could it be lowering the power on my gpu? are something like that i read it somewhere but can't find the link anybody have any idea what they are tlaking about.
Okay people, the problem isn't the CPU at this point. If the performance was the same between the two OSes, then you might have a point. As it is, he's getting good performance under XP and lousy performance under Win7.
Unfortunately, I don't have much in the way of suggestions. I'm having a little trouble regarding drivers and my 8800GT under Win7 as well. At the moment I'm not having any trouble with the games I've played but with performance with Aero while running the F@H GPU client. With the current 186.18 drivers and a couple previous newer drivers, the Aero desktop has terrible performance to the point where I can't really do much of anything because of the constant pauses and hitching with the F@H GPU client running. Videos also pause and skip very badly as well. With the 182.08 drivers, I do not have these problems at all, although I do have a bit less gaming performance and problems. Interestingly enough, I do not have these same problems under Vista64 with the same drivers.
The only thing I can suggest is to try some older drivers to see if the performance isn't as bad.
Unfortunately, I don't have much in the way of suggestions. I'm having a little trouble regarding drivers and my 8800GT under Win7 as well. At the moment I'm not having any trouble with the games I've played but with performance with Aero while running the F@H GPU client. With the current 186.18 drivers and a couple previous newer drivers, the Aero desktop has terrible performance to the point where I can't really do much of anything because of the constant pauses and hitching with the F@H GPU client running. Videos also pause and skip very badly as well. With the 182.08 drivers, I do not have these problems at all, although I do have a bit less gaming performance and problems. Interestingly enough, I do not have these same problems under Vista64 with the same drivers.
The only thing I can suggest is to try some older drivers to see if the performance isn't as bad.
With Halo and a Nvidia card you need to turn off decals in game, for some reason having decals on really kills nvidia cards. With the card in my Sig i too was dipping into the single digits until i shut decals off, now i get a steady 200+ fps.
Okay people, the problem isn't the CPU at this point. If the performance was the same between the two OSes, then you might have a point. As it is, he's getting good performance under XP and lousy performance under Win7.
Unfortunately, I don't have much in the way of suggestions. I'm having a little trouble regarding drivers and my 8800GT under Win7 as well. At the moment I'm not having any trouble with the games I've played but with performance with Aero while running the F@H GPU client. With the current 186.18 drivers and a couple previous newer drivers, the Aero desktop has terrible performance to the point where I can't really do much of anything because of the constant pauses and hitching with the F@H GPU client running. Videos also pause and skip very badly as well. With the 182.08 drivers, I do not have these problems at all, although I do have a bit less gaming performance and problems. Interestingly enough, I do not have these same problems under Vista64 with the same drivers.
The only thing I can suggest is to try some older drivers to see if the performance isn't as bad.
Finally, thank you for not blameing it on my cpu. Which is fine for what i need it to do among other things halo 1 requries a 733mhz proccesor 1.2gb harddrive 32mb/3dlT&L capable gpu and for multiplayer a 56k modem people. It is a graphics driver problem, in xp if i turn off vsync i can hti 500 fps with my sucky e1200*. same with win7 i just hit 10-15fps sometimes.
So with the same drivers for vista you have no problems but with win7 you have a diffrent set of problems for each. I Should try the 182.08 drivers for (vista?) right on win7?
also why do people complain to me that its a beta and i will have problems untill th O.S. is mainstream. Well the way they solve these problems is by beta testers like ourselves.
btw its now an rc people which means it could be releeased in october as yesterday was the last day to preorder which means its about to go mainstream.......
not aiming this at you but to other posters sorry
will try later but i think all it will do is give me better performance in xp and win7 but with the same set of problems for win7 since it is a driver issue are setting within the driver somewhere and isn't just happening with halo1.
in win7 if the game is dx9 only wouldn't that mean it should run the same as in xp are what is soemthing else im missing.
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try different drivers.
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It's still a bottleneck considering the small L2 cache and running it at stock speed. I'd at least overclock it to 3.0 GHz or more.
Video card drivers could be the problem, but the huge drop in fps seems like it's more than just drivers. I would also suggest rolling back to the 182.xx drivers to see if make a difference.
The Win7 RC isn't fully optimized, so factor that in as well. I haven't noticed much of a difference in games over Vista, but there could be small to moderate drops in performance depending on your hardware.
Yes, the 182.08 Vista drivers work mostly well for games and allow me to do GPU folding via F@H and still have a usable desktop. My previous post was a little incorrect as the 182.08 drivers were not officially released as Win7 drivers but Vista drivers only. However, they do work just fine as the driver model is basically the same between the two OSes.
What you might also want to try is starting the game, ALT-TABbing out of the game, open up Task Manager and set the affinity of the game to a single core. I doubt this will help since the game worked fine on XP but it's worth a shot. If it does work, you'll have to do this every time you start up the game as affinities are lost when you exit the program.
Yes, the CPU may be a bottleneck in some instances but that's not a problem regarding what the OP is talking about. It may be the crappiest CPU based on the Core2 design but that's not going to matter a damn bit when he's talking about a game made to run on a Pentium 3. The Core2 line is going to outperform any P3 no matter how you look at it and the game runs just fine on XP but has severe performance problems on another OS.
I'm just saying there is no reason to even mention the CPU as the problems the person is having is not related to the CPU at this time. It's counterproductive to keep harping on the CPU when the CPU isn't the cause.
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IIRC, Halo ran like shit on my old P4 or AMD system (can't remember which one). It was considered one of the worst ports at the time. The various patches for it never fixed the problem. It's possible that it just runs even shittier under Win7.
hey man don't mean to insult you but the video card drivers are the problem I don't need a 3.0ghz dual core even if it is a celly.( and has the ability to oc to 3.0ghz aseen on other websites) Mine can't it can only hit 2.6 on darknight becasue of my mainboard. A 733mhz proccesor is all that is required. Win7 RC is really almost optimized. Its the drivers and third party support that is the problem made by other companies that installs onto the o.s. Nvidia isn't owned by microsoft. I understand that going from xp to vista to win7 will have a little bit of a performance drop also these are fresh installs I own like 40 diffrent games I bought and are not cracked these are clean systems.
please refrain from posting about my hardware people or if you have nothing to submit to help me find my solution. this is not an informational post on hardware im asking for help. my system is orthos,prime95,intelburntest,sandra,linpack(dosprompt),and a load of other programs im not going to type out approved. Ive been building systems since 8086 and have even built a custom pcboard built using a z80. Ive used windows since it was a dosshell. and when it was cool to send ascii porn over a faxmodem. phreaking and the such. I know what im talking about.
my hardware is fine on xp 100 percenteven though halo was a bad port from the xbox. this is happening in other games as well.
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I KNOW THAT THE VIDEO DRIVER IS THE PROBLEM BECASUE I can have 60 fps steady in xp and if i was to dip into the lower 40's then it would shoot back up instantly to 60 fps after an explosion say. . with win7 if i have 60 fps and it dips into the lower 40's it starts counting back up to 60 fps about 3 frames per second. so 10 seconds later its at 60 fps. but if there is a conitniuts action then it drops to 40's count's back up to 48 persay and somethign else happens like an explosion it drops to 28 fps then starts counting back up again. this happens all the way till it hits 10-15 fps is the lowest ive seen it go. Which results in a low fps enviorment. halo with vsync on stays full 60 all the time in xp even now if i switch os's. so its not my hardware. my video card is fine
edit: btw i haven't had the time to reinstall drivers and play as my wife is calling
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Well, it depends if you can put up with lower fps because you're going to have performance issues with some newer games for sure. It's just a recommendation to get to 3.0 GHz to remove any possible bottleneck, but you'll be fine at 2.6 GHz as that's much better than stock speed.
I'm still not convinced it's entirely the video card drivers, but give the 182.xx drivers a shot.
It's not the clock speed that's hurting him, it's the cache. Gaming performance depends heavily on cache. His processor has 512 KB. The E8XXX Core 2 Duos have 6 MB. He would probably have to overclock that thing to around 6 GHz, literally, to match the gaming performance of a stock Core 2 Duo E8400.
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And neither one of them makes any fucking difference in a game made to run on a P3. Hell, the P3 in the goddamn Xbox only had 128k of cache. He's not talking about a brand new modern game. Your post is absolutely irrelevant to the topic and only serves to derail the thread. If you have a problem with the processor then go to the Intel forum and bitch about it. It is irrelevant here.
For the love of God, Buddha, the Flying Spaghetti Monster or the blow up doll in the corner of your room, stick to the topic or don't post.
Tried a vista driver and for the most part it was the same. then i was wondering what else does windows7 bring on to the graphics area that xp doesn't (Directx 10) as soon as i would run a directx 10 benchmarking software windows would ask to send the usual to microsoft... sometimes... so anyway i tried running the windows scoreing system and it as soon as it hit s the directx 10 test it fails.. I just so happen to look down at fraps in my corner and say tomyself i wonder if the driver are windows thinks that its artifacting. I uninstall fraps reset my computer to clear the rigstry I run it and of course i get a 5.0 becasue of my proccesor but everything else is above 6.1 I run halo no problems and i run crysis 50+ fps on 1680 by 1050 on high with no antiailising. which is what it was on xp. So therefore i knew it wasn't my hardware alll along. I thought it was the driver iteself but apparently the drivers is working fine so far. you guys know how when you record a vidoe with fraps the fps start dropping after awhile. it didn't occur to me that this was a similar situiton. I'm wondering if there is a memory leak are something when running it in directx 10 environment with my setup... Everyhting is working fine now physics on cod waw looks excellent althought i havent made it past the first level. Can't find a box are something. Anyway thanks for your support and for the idea of using a vista driver. Any solutions for a fps program?
Iguess i should of thought about this but i jumped from xp straigth to windows 7! never messed with vista is there any problems for vista with fraps in directx 10?
Iguess i should of thought about this but i jumped from xp straigth to windows 7! never messed with vista is there any problems for vista with fraps in directx 10?