Windows 10 Version 1809 Plagued by Another Data Loss Issue

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  1. ChadD

    ChadD [H]ardness Supreme

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    That is true. No one that knows better has ever really liked the dumpster fire of a security PITA that is windows. In the early days hey MS had to stay ahead of the jones and rushed things, in the middle years they where a combo of lazy and evil, now they are full on greedy. The early days stuff most people can excuse a bit... not like MS could sit on things there was actual competition. The middle years are terrible... they did fight for and win a lead, and translated that into evil attempts to control everything including the internet itself. MS current mode seems to be a greed driven lazyness that is hard to describe. Considering the rise of alternate computing platforms where MS has no product, and the growing quality and capabilities of competing platforms. MS perhaps should get their house in order if they plan to still sell operating systems.
     
  2. ManofGod

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    What strawman? You mean the point where you vehemently disagree but cannot show why? Ok.
     
  3. Meeho

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    The one where he responds to patching reliability history with a diatribe about security perception.
     
  4. heatlesssun

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    LOL! How many people over the years have complained about Windows updates well prior to Windows 10 breaking stuff? How many times have Windows machine been attacked by malware long patched because so many people were afraid to patch their systems? Maybe the situation is worse under 10 but to pretend that this hasn't been a LONGSTANDING issue is simply disregarding reality.
     
  5. Meeho

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    I don't remember Windows patches deleting user's files or braking various things, deleting apps or reinstalling them, changing system settings and policies to the extend of Win 10's patches. They were slow and cumbersome, but never mandatory, or plagued with so much QA issues.
     
  6. heatlesssun

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    If the update process was so much better prior to Windows 10, why did so many NEVER update their systems even when it came to critical security issues that on more than one occasion caused catastrophic problems like WannaCry? The version upgrade process in Windows 10 is different than prior versions and I'm not saying that it can't or shouldn't be improved. But threads like this would make one think that these problems effect everyone. I've updated 20 machines, personal and friends and family to 1809, no data loss. Sure it shouldn't happen to anyone but it was far from happening to everyone.

    At any rate, I'm always looking for alternatives that solve the issues of Windows WITHOUT introducing their own issues. I'd be more than happy to run a Linux distro if it didn't break 100 times more stuff (based on my personal needs) than any Windows 10 version upgrade I've seen to date.
     
  7. Meeho

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    They would never update because they didn't have to, and when they did, they didn't have their files deleted, group policies invalidated, programs broken (other than an odd AV issue here and there) nor crapware (re)installed.
     
  8. nilepez

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    Come on. The people who weren't ever updating (and I knew several of them) didn't know what a Group Policy was, much less that they could get there by typing gpedit. They didn't do it, because it didn't automatically install the patches. I get why some users want to delay. I get why businesses would want to delay (and AFAIK, esp with enterprise, you can do just that).

    And FYI, I had not a single program I'd deleted reinstalled with 1809 (nor the spring update and probably not the one from last fall). It did happen early on, but that's old news.

    Sorry, but while I feel for the experts of [H], the reality is that the vast majority of windows users won't update if they're not forced and then MS get's all kinds of shit for attacks on their buggy OS, even though most of those attacks were patched months (if not years) before the attack was in the wild.
     
  9. sirmonkey1985

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    can confirm, my windows 7 install before building my new system and switching to w10 in october was last updated sometime in 2016 because i couldn't be bothered to sit there and wait for windows to update.. :p to be honest though i always hated windows update process but oh well.
     
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  10. DPI

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    The disingenuous conflation going on in this thread is hilarious.

    Seriously, what does some people not updating prior Windows versions have to do with Microsoft rushing out toxic, untested, data deleting Windows 10 updates?

    The issue of forced updates is completely separate from the issue of ramming untested updates down everyone's throats.

    I theorized years ago that some MS defenders are so obtuse that Microsoft could just start formatting people's harddrives spontaneously and they'd not only be defending it but blame users for it somehow. And now we're in a situation that is walking right up to the edge of that level of absurdity.
     
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  11. nilepez

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    First of all, I was responding to almost everything BUT the part about files being deleted. And if it's about the deleting in the article this thread references, files aren't deleted. The zip program simply isn't overwriting existing files. It's a bug, but it's not what the article claims.
    And FYI, DPI< it's pretty obvious I wasn't referring at ALL to the bug, but everything else he wrote in the comment.
     
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  12. Ranulfo

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    Updating eh? Lets talk about the "bug" that showed up several times in the win7 update program since win10 was released. The one that would sit there and eat up 10-20% of cpu power for 60, 90 minutes or more. On my win7 gaming system it once sat there for six hours looking for any new updates, sucking up power for nothing. I think I wasted 2-3 hours researching and following a tedious update method to fix that problem involving downloading single updates from MS website in IE only. Thankfullly that only hit me on one system.
     
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    Microsoft confirms ZIP bug in Windows 10 October 2018 Update

    “Do not attempt to Cut and Paste items from a compressed (.zip) folder. This may result in unintentionally deleting items that may not be recoverable.”

    micro$loth is currently working on a fix for this bug
     
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  14. pendragon1

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    ok there ya go, rage on all you want. but who cuts/pastes from a zip file? I have never done that...
     
  15. Jim Kim

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    So your response is "who does things" that the operating system and its programs allows you to do. Interesting retort.

    Microsoft is currently working on a fix for something you have never done. rage on
     
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  16. Shotglass01

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    Seriously? Didn't you make a backup 10 minutes ago?! :woot:

     
  17. pendragon1

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    never defended ms, only said wait for the whole story before placing blame and raging.
    yes, I think its odd to cut/paste files out of a zip file. ive never done it. was only a statement. the rage on comment was because I had stated before that until they figure out what was the cause and or admit fault people shouldnt rage. now that ms admitted it go ahead and rage but it wasn't really aimed at you. I quoted you because you had the link to admission of fault.



    I fucking love how people constantly read into things and start slinging insults because someone simply says wait for the whole story...
     
  18. Jim Kim

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  19. nilepez

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    I used it for a time, but 7zip does it better and it's just as free as the built in archiver.
     
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  20. nilepez

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    What about it do you dislike (themes not withstanding)?
     
  21. Jim Kim

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    7zip, winrar
    6 of one , half dozen of the other.
    I use Windows built in if it is the first thing that pops up due to convenience.

    It's just a fucking shame that Microsoft can't even get something as simple as ZIP to work properly w/out incurring data loss.
     
  22. sirmonkey1985

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    didn't even know that was an option.. wtf..
     
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    The real PITA isn't the clients getting clobbered it's that they removed Server 2019 from VLSC just as I bought the g-d licences. :rage: Stop screwing up my timeline Nadella!
     
  24. Sulphademus

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    This is what happens when you fire your QA department.
     
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  25. nilepez

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    There's a bug, but there is no data loss. If the file already exists, then when you unzip the archive, it won't overwrite anything that is already there. The author of this article clearly never tested it. It looks like he's a Linux evangelist at Forbes and he heard bad stuff and repeated it without verifying anything. Of course it's possible that I have a bug that looks just like the one he described minus the overwriting of the file, but that seems unlikely.
     
  26. ZodaEX

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    I'll never understand why so many people use Windows 10.
     
  27. naib

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    So MS is fixing nothing... Stop being dense.
    There is a minor issue where if you copy out of the zip it says it copies but it doesnt
    There is a more worrying issue where a move is requested as this can delete. Now this does "move" to recycle bin but that's not the 1st place people would look

    Also this bug was partially reported on insider
    https://borncity.com/win/2018/10/22/windows-10-v1809-write-bug-in-zip-feature/
    Yet it was still released

    It an issue, just like the last attempted release where user files were deleted under certain configurations AND BSOD for HP machines AND sound issues with intel snd chipset

    There is no way this lack of QA can be defended and those that attempt to brush it aside, make some "who does that" statement to dismiss it, compare against lack of patching in win7 are just publicly showing their foolishness
     
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  28. polonyc2

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    so the October update will be re-released in November but still called the October update?...they need to move to a once a year update cycle
     
  29. pendragon1

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    well have you ever done it that way? all I was saying is its weird and people wont fucking let it go.
     
  30. ZodaEX

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    Exactly my point. There is this bizarre mentality here that gaming must be done on a PC. That is as arbitrary as it gets. Game consoles have been around consistently since what the 1980s? The reality of the fast too, is game console are factually computers themselves. They are just very specialized to run games. In some cases it's even been possible to use a game console as a full pc like with the PS2 Linux kit, or a hacked Xbox classic. Heck, some consoles even support installing apps much like PC computers and computerized smart phones.
     
  31. SickBeast

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    I don't know which update did it but I have lost all my data. All my documents and all the files on my desktop. Perhaps others also. Thankfully I keep backups. But this is super annoying and should never happen. There is no excuse.
     
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    I would never put up with an Operating System with behavior like that. In my opinion at least, running Windows XP would be better than bending over and putting up with that nonsense.
     
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  33. nilepez

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    That says almost exactly what I’ve said.
    So again, there is NO DATA LOSS