Wi-Fi Alliance Renames Wireless Standards

Discussion in 'HardForum Tech News' started by AlphaAtlas, Oct 4, 2018.

  1. AlphaAtlas

    AlphaAtlas [H]ard|Gawd Staff Member

    Messages:
    1,713
    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2018
    In order to "help users identify devices that provide the latest Wi-Fi experience," the Wi-Fi alliance decided to rebrand past wireless standards. IEEE 802.11n is called "Wi-Fi 4", 802.11ac is "Wi-Fi 5", and 802.11ax will be called "Wi-Fi 6." In addition to the new names, the organization is also encouraging developers an manufacturers to prominently display the type of Wi-Fi connection in device UIs.


    "For nearly two decades, Wi-Fi users have had to sort through technical naming conventions to determine if their devices support the latest Wi-Fi," said Edgar Figueroa, president and CEO of Wi-Fi Alliance. "Wi-Fi Alliance is excited to introduce Wi-Fi 6, and present a new naming scheme to help industry and Wi-Fi users easily understand the Wi-Fi generation supported by their device or connection."
     
  2. SixFootDuo

    SixFootDuo [H]ardness Supreme

    Messages:
    5,468
    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2004
    About time. This was needed a long time ago.

    So wireless-N would have been Wireless 4?

    Got it.

    Great move.
     
    HoffY, lostin3d, AceGoober and 6 others like this.
  3. TMCM

    TMCM [H]ard|Gawd

    Messages:
    1,353
    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2003
    I can get behind this!
     
  4. SomeoneElse

    SomeoneElse [H]ard|Gawd

    Messages:
    1,741
    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2007
    Makes sense to simplify the scheme......they are running out of letters anyway.....lol
     
  5. halo000008

    halo000008 Limp Gawd

    Messages:
    218
    Joined:
    May 23, 2010
    When I read the headline, I was thinking it would be even more convoluted. Glad I was wrong.
     
    DrezKill likes this.
  6. Rahh

    Rahh [H]ard|Gawd

    Messages:
    1,608
    Joined:
    Jan 14, 2005
    Not sure why they made it so complicated in the first place...
     
    Roberty and DrezKill like this.
  7. Dead Parrot

    Dead Parrot 2[H]4U

    Messages:
    2,402
    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2013
    IIRC, WiFi originally started as an experiment and it got out of control. The 2.4Ghz band it started in was a free fire zone for unlicensed experimentation and wasn't ever meant for commercial applications. That's one of the reasons the 2.4 band has so many different gizmos all using the same frequencies. Then they were stuck with maintaining backwards compatibility and the sad fact that 2.4 usually works better for longer distance then the newer higher frequencies.
     
  8. pcgeekesq

    pcgeekesq [H]ard|Gawd

    Messages:
    1,403
    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2012
    I'm going to wait to upgrade until I can get a router that goes to 11.
     
  9. Nobu

    Nobu 2[H]4U

    Messages:
    2,958
    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2007
    It's not really that complicated... IEEE is the standards body, 802 deals wit LANs and metro networks. 802.11 deals specifically with wireless networks. The letters they append on the end simply refer to additions "ammendments" to that specification (they could have used revisions instead, v1, v2, etc...dunno why they didn't).
     
  10. ir0nw0lf

    ir0nw0lf [H]ardness Supreme

    Messages:
    6,272
    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2003
    If you were to tell that to John Q Public the computer user who knows how to turn the machine on/off and not much beyond that, their head will likely explode or you will get the glazed over look. :D I get that reaction trying to explain CPU cores and HT/SMT to them.
     
    DrezKill and Rahh like this.
  11. pcgeekesq

    pcgeekesq [H]ard|Gawd

    Messages:
    1,403
    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2012
    WiFi isn't a linear progression of standards, it's a collection of them, many of which were developed in parallel and only address a limited part of the standard (like association of a STA with an AP). Adoption of various parts of the standard is up to manufacturers: a home AP doesn't need some of the stuff that was developed for WANs for example. Periodically, they get rolled-up, the last time in 2016 I think.
     
    Rahh likes this.
  12. Taldren

    Taldren Gawd

    Messages:
    518
    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2006
    This is going to be more complicated than they believe.

    For instance, they are stating that 802.11ax is now "6", but what of the now defunct 802.11ad standard? I only ask because they are assigning the known winners right now in this scheme ... but in the future that isn't going to be possible. So we will have gaps where a new standard showed up, assigned a number, and then went the way of 802.11ad. So it will look like: 4 , 5 , 6 , 9 , 12 , 14.
     
  13. Nobu

    Nobu 2[H]4U

    Messages:
    2,958
    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2007
    To them, I'd just say "you need 802.11n" and be done with it. If they asked why not "xa" or whatever, I'd tell them "because that's the standard your router supports". Seems pretty simple to me.
     
  14. sboucher

    sboucher Gawd

    Messages:
    550
    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2004
    Doubt it, they probably won't call 7, 7, until it's ready for the public. The ones in between will likely use codenames.
     
  15. MikeRotch

    MikeRotch Limp Gawd

    Messages:
    399
    Joined:
    Aug 23, 2013
    As other's have mentioned, standards ALWAYS get amended. They also sometimes get released in waves.

    This is good in theory until we get names like WiFi 7.2.343
     
  16. raz-0

    raz-0 [H]ardness Supreme

    Messages:
    4,496
    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2003
    And?

    Joe Consumer will go to best buy to replace his wi-fi 9 router, and see wi-fi 14 on the shelf and buy the newer one, which will likely say on the box compatible with wifi4, wifi5, wif6, etc. Joe will go hmm... mine says wifi4. It says wifi4 It's good to go.

    It's easier to remember than jumbles of numbers and letters.
     
  17. Nobu

    Nobu 2[H]4U

    Messages:
    2,958
    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2007
    All you have to remember is the letter though? You already know you're looking for a wireless adapter/router, either you know which standard you're looking for or you don't, regardless of what jumble of letters are thrown together (including wifi6). Later amendments aren't necessarily better or exclusive to prior ones, and so you'd still have wifi679 or somesuch nonsense.
     
    Last edited: Oct 4, 2018
  18. raz-0

    raz-0 [H]ardness Supreme

    Messages:
    4,496
    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2003

    You don't say?

    Here's all the standards
    802.11a
    802.11b
    802.11g
    802.11-2007
    802.11n
    802.11-2012
    802.11ac
    802.11ad
    802.11af
    802.11-2016
    802.11ah
    802.11ai
    802.11aj
    802.11aq
    802.11ax
    802.11ay


    Which ones are backwards compatible with which? It's ascending letters, so 802.11n should cover ac right? Because n > a. Correct? No? The naming convention is fucking stupid, in part because they broke it. If they hadn't broken it, it's still long and cumbersome and harder to remember.

    Whenever the IEEE standard gets widely adopted instead of being some codified whim of the comittee that the market never really supports, you give it a wifi# name and logo. Just slap the logos on the boxes. Done.

    Mold the logo into the damn device, display the logo in the OS under peripherals, put is as one of those stickers certain people never remove from their laptops. Make it simple.

    You and I have no issues with it. But this shit is foreign to the average person. There's nothing wrong with the average consumer not having to know how convoluted IEEE processes can get.
     
  19. Nobu

    Nobu 2[H]4U

    Messages:
    2,958
    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2007
    Which of those are on actual products sold today? a, b, c, g, ac (which is actually just a and c together) and n. And most products say "with wireless n technology for fastest speeds" or some bs like that, and "also compatible with..." just like it'll be with the new names, except now you have either 802.11n or "wifi#" and unless you know or they say "802.11n compatible" you'll be just as lost as before.
     
  20. Trepidati0n

    Trepidati0n [H]ardForum Junkie

    Messages:
    8,816
    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2004
    Looking forward to Wi-Fi 69
     
    AceGoober likes this.
  21. 4884

    4884 Limp Gawd

    Messages:
    131
    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2017
    Many people, should I say most people, just think internet = wi-fi.
    They wouldn't know or care what kind of wi-fi they're using.
    I shit you not a friend of mine couldn't get her head around the idea of me getting internet on my PC with a cable.
     
    GoldenTiger likes this.
  22. Makaveli@BETA

    Makaveli@BETA 2[H]4U

    Messages:
    2,302
    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2004
    She sounds like someone that shouldn't be using a PC.

    One click away from giving her money away to a Nigerian prince.
     
    GoldenTiger likes this.
  23. 4884

    4884 Limp Gawd

    Messages:
    131
    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2017
    It may surprise you how non-techie people are oblivious of the most basic computer knowledge we deem as "common sense"
    And sadly they are the majority of the population.
     
    GoldenTiger and Makaveli@BETA like this.
  24. ghostwich

    ghostwich [H]ard|Gawd

    Messages:
    1,723
    Joined:
    Sep 10, 2014
    :p
     
  25. Makaveli@BETA

    Makaveli@BETA 2[H]4U

    Messages:
    2,302
    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2004
    Not surprised at all.

    My profession is IT at every placed I've worked everyone out side of the department pretty much thinks you are a wizard if you open a command prompt and run a few basic commands.

    Things I was doing when I was 12 in a dos prompt.
     
    GoldenTiger likes this.
  26. twonunpackmule

    twonunpackmule [H]ard|Gawd

    Messages:
    1,416
    Joined:
    Sep 27, 2005
    Obviously, haven't tried to log onto my network. ;)
     
Tags: