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Why won't NVIDIA support adaptive sync?

Relayer said:
That's not true. The OD issue has been fixed. If you should happen to have one of the original ones that were effected check on an RMA. It also wasn't a Freesync issue. Not all models had the problem.
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it's not fixed, even with the new firmware there's still a bit of ghosting
 
Michaelius said:
That's great but why I can buy g-sync laptops today and nothing with freesync exists ? I don't remember even seeing single annoucement.
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And what did I say that made you rush to the defence of your beloved Nvidia? I was just correcting his understanding of how it works. Any mobile graphic card that supports eDP 1.3 or higher supports panel self refresh.

And he previously made an incorrect statement about Nvidia mobile Gsync having frame buffers in the screen that AMD wouldn't have. This is wrong. The Frame buffer is also a requirement for the eDP specification, it's needed for the panel self refresh feature to work.
 
but if they did support amd freesync it would made nvidias gsync useless? right? everybody would use freesync. am i wrong?
 
AndreRio said:
but if they did support amd freesync it would made nvidias gsync useless? right? everybody would use freesync. am i wrong?
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Freesync is garbage compared to Gsync which is a major reason why NVIDIA won't support it.
 
PRIME1 said:
Freesync is garbage compared to Gsync which is a major reason why NVIDIA won't support it.
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Can you list the reasons why you feel freesync is garbage compared to gsync?
 
TechReport has a different take

Another bone of contention in the FreeSync-versus-G-Sync wars is the question of ghosting, those display after-images that you can sometimes see on LCDs. Turns out that the BenQ XL2730Z in particular has a ghosting issue in a very prominent scenario: AMD's own "Windmill" FreeSync demo. Below is a side-by-side slow-motion video that shows the Asus PG278Q versus the BenQ.

Here's the thing to realize: AMD's demo team has managed to concoct one heck of a scenario to bring out ghosting. The scene is high contrast, the blades sweep across the screen quickly, and the ghosts come out to play. I've spent some time with the XL2730Z, playing games and running the UFO tests and such, and this sort of ghosting isn't nearly as apparent on the XL2730Z in other cases.

There's a bit of after-image visible in the UFO ghosting test, but it's pretty minimal and wouldn't raise any red flags during our usual display testing routine.

Ghosting is almost entirely impossible to detect with the naked eye in this relatively high-contrast scene from Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel. I recorded this video at 240 FPS, and it plays back at half of game speed, so I was really sweeping the mouse around quickly. (60 FPS playback is available via YouTube.) Some small amount of ghosting is visible in this slow-mo video, but even at half speed, you have to watch carefully to see it.

The XP2730Z does have some ghosting issues that are perceptible in certain cases, but they are not especially common or distracting overall, in my view. I've seen much worse from cheaper monitors in the past. The ghosting issue has become a bit of a hot topic in part because, again, Nvidia has hinted that ghosting may be worse with FreeSync displays than with G-Sync displays.
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And this was before BenQ released a firmware update to fix the issue of overdrive not working with Freesync. If the ghosting was "not especially common or distracting overall" before the fix, it sure as hell won't be after the fix.
 
"The ghosting issue has become a bit of a hot topic in part because, again, Nvidia has hinted that ghosting may be worse with FreeSync displays than with G-Sync displays."

This goes to the people saying that Nvidia as a compnay never jumps the gun on PR/marketing.
 
M76 said:
1. If g-sync is really so superior as fanboys claim, then also supporting adaptive sync wouldn't mean abandoning g-sync
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Yep. I can see how THAT meeting would go.

NVIDIA said:
Yes. Let's spend time, R&D assets and (mostly) MONEY implementing a parallel adaptive sync technology that's inferior to our own and will not generate an additional revenue stream and might partially cannibalize our own adaptive sync technology.

Why?

Just because...feelz?
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Seriously?

Is it too much to ask some people to actually THINK through what they're saying/typing?
 
StormClaw said:
Fixed it for you.
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I love the smell of tinfoil in the morning.

It smells like...CONSPIRACY!

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FreeSync, in my experience, is wonderful. I was using it on my 290x and Acer XG270HU and it was a magnificent experience. Any ghosting was only noticeable in the Windmill test that was specifically meant to demonstrate FreeSync. I never noticed any while actually gaming with it.
 
All of AMD's GCN based cards support FreeSync to varying degrees. A reasonable hypothesis on why NVIDIA's G-Sync solution requires external hardware and supports older generations of hardware is that NVidia's cards simply can't do adaptive refresh rates, hence, needing the outside bolt-on.

Yes, NVidia's G-Sync implementation is currently better, but FreeSync becomes further adopter by more scaler makers and refined, it's not unreasonable to assume that parity will be reached.
 
TheGamerZ said:
FreeSync, in my experience, is wonderful. I was using it on my 290x and Acer XG270HU and it was a magnificent experience. Any ghosting was only noticeable in the Windmill test that was specifically meant to demonstrate FreeSync. I never noticed any while actually gaming with it.
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Excellent!

Because this is what it's REALLY about. Buying something and being satisfied that it's doing what you bought it for correctly (or at least the way you expect it to).

Not griping because something you DIDN'T buy doesn't do the same thing.
 
Chas said:
Link to a dead thread with a dead link in it. Yay.

Just sit and wait for the black helicopters (with the rotors that spin in the wrong direction) to come for you...
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Well, it's not my fault if you can't read the thread...
 
Freesync is proprietary and based on Adaptive Sync standard, same model as NVIDIA.... Having used both side by side though Freesync is great in comparison to playing without it, however, and simply personal opinion, G-Sync "felt" smoother to me in comparison to Freesync.

Both are good, but both are proprietary.


NV should look at something that doesn't require hardware though.
 
Kaori said:
it's not fixed, even with the new firmware there's still a bit of ghosting
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I see you're here spouting off the same crap as you were before, and I'll reply to you the same exact way. With quotes from the article (One I actually read when I posted it before, which you apparently hope people won't bother to do)

Allyn Malventano said:
Here we see a very good overdrive implementation. This is actually the best we have seen a FreeSync display overdrive so far, as the ASUS IPS FreeSync panel showed the odd artifacts shown earlier.
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Allyn Malventano said:
So we can now say there are two FreeSync displays with confirmed functional overdrive
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Ryan Shrout said:
It is great to see a second monitor with FreeSync technology properly implement support for overdrive to improve the overall visual experience compared to NVIDIA's current crop of G-Sync monitors.
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You're choosing to try and blow the remaining ghosting out of proportion, to make it appear to be a larger issue than it is.

Allyn @ pcper has been very vocal in his opposition to the implementation of freesync vs g-sync, if he feels like the firmware has lowered the ghosting to an acceptable level, then that, coupled with the pictures they took, means I'm comfortable agreeing with that conclusion.
 
Chas said:
Yep. I can see how THAT meeting would go.



Seriously?

Is it too much to ask some people to actually THINK through what they're saying/typing?
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It would actually mean something like this:

"Let's support Adaptive sync monitors as well as g-sync monitors, so people already owning one of those won't need to turn to AMD for a GPU to fully support their displays"

Remember that, since freesync doesn't need extra hardware in the display soon almost every new display will support it. I hope I don't have to explain what that means.

Beta was better than VHS in every possible way. Just because something is better, doesn't mean it will win out. And I'm yet to be convinced that g-sync is noticeably better than freesync or not.
 
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