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Why everybody bashed ATi?
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apHytHiaTe
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Regardless of what anyone says (ok i admit it, i read nearly none of this thread; theyre all the same), Nvidia won this round and ATI lost. Ok we have established that so great! This is a former fanATIc, but not a current nVidiot. The f4nboyism is pointless, i have discovered. No one is going to throw his x800 or his fx in the garbage because on any of [insert nvidia or ati f@nb0y]'s ramblings. The intellectuals will most likely start to avoid these ATI vs NVIDIA flame wars. The morons will endure. People WILL get banned. Noobs will continue to prove why that title is under his/her name. People will get banned. Some may get turned off of [H]. In the end, what have the videocard wars accomplished?
lithium726
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apHytHiaTe said:
yeah, ive gotten really teird of this stuff. this is why i spend most all of my time in general hardware now, and almost none in here...
apHytHiaTe said:
Well...it effected me *sniffing* I THREW AWAY my Pro...right into the dumpster
When will this madness end...WHEN??! *arms reaching out to people*
WHEN!?
Ok I'm done. Have fun yall!
Oh and I never owned a pro...just to make sure you people didnt' think i flipped my lid
The Batman
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ZenOps said:
No one's gotten them yet.
rancor said:sliver, come on ATi's ogl performance is Akin to Nvidia's fx line's dx performance
well, I played doom3 at 1600x1200 with my x800 pro at the second highest setting and noticed no performance issues, so I'm a bit fuzzy on what "poor ogl performance" constitutes. In fairness, I never checked what fps i was getting, but never did the game stutter or cause me any enjoyment issues, which at the end of the day is all that matters to me.
Anyway, my reference was more to the 9700 versus the 5700 line. That difference does not exist today.
edit: and before anyone gets all up in arms, I guarantee I have more ownership in stock of nvda than anyone in this thread, so I definitely would love for the two of them to take market share from intel rather than eachother. I just happen to own an ati card now because at the time I purchase the x800 pro was the best card available. If things keep up, I may buy an nvidia card next, like I did before the 9700.
conscript said:well, I played doom3 at 1600x1200 with my x800 pro without any issues at second highest setting and noticed no performance issues, so I'm a bit fuzzy on what "poor ogl performance" constitutes. In fairness, I never checked what fps i was getting, but never did the game stutter or cause me any enjoyment issues, which at the end of the day is all that matters to me.
Anyway, my reference was more to the 9700 versus the 5700 line. That difference does not exist today.
Thats true but the 5700 line costs 175 while the 9700 was still goin for 300 bucks.
apHytHiaTe said:
What have the video wars accomplished?! They have filled the hole in my life created when MTV cancelled Celebrity Death Match. I mean this is some entertaining stuff (refer to page 4 if you skipped).
Now where did I put my popcorn . . .
there really is no excuse for a 300 buck 6800 nu matching the 500 buck xt pe . If I spent 500 bucks I would expect to get top performance in everything. Like when I bought my audi s4, damn I want it to be fast, don't want to get drag raced off the line by a toyota corola.
. If I spent 500 bucks I would expect to get top performance in everything. Like when I bought my audi s4, damn I want it to be fast, don't want to get drag raced off the line by a toyota corola.conscript said:
everyone knows the 5800 couldn't match the 9700 because of the 5800's 128 bit interface. But then again it was delayed for close to year. It was never ment to take on the 9700. Actaully it does get close as long as its texture pipelines weren't pushed. A better comparision would be the 5900 to the 9700 and if the time lines went as planned that is what would have happened.
rancor said:
man you just won't let it go. The 9800 came out when the 5900 did, so that would be the comparison. The 5800 was the same generation as the 9700, it just got delayed insanely long. and there was still no comparison between the 9800 and 5900, no matter which way you sliced it, or are you new to the forums?
edit: i see that you are new.
conscript said:
Excuse me I know alot more about graphics cards and where and when they came out then most people here, The 5800 was supposed to be out before the 9700. and how long did it take nV to get the 5900 out after the 5800? 2 maybe 3 months at most. ATi refresh the 9800 came. The 5900 wasn't even slated it was a rushed project to save face. Which it did just fine, but there were issues with the fx architecture that game developers had to take into concideration when programming. Pound for pound both the 9800 and and 5800/5900 had very similiar computational power specailly when it came to polygon pushing (nV was a little bit higher do the the extra clocks). Where the fx line lacked was dx pixel shader performance, and with next gen games thats a big thing. They were still strong in Ogl though.
And believe me if a game programmer doesn't take that into concidertion guess what thats what happened with Valve. I can say this for a fact the source engine is not that great. When you base technology on something as old as the Quake 2 engine you will come out with midiocrity, and thats what the Source engine is. Performance wise it does a max of 21 million polygons per sec on a ati 9800, or a fx 5900, also a 5800. Crytek is about 30 million, Stalker is at 40 million, Doom 3 is at 20 million, Guess what Source and Doom 3 have the same inherent problems the BSP tree.
The Batman
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9700P -> 5800U
9800P -> 5900U
9800XT -> 5950U
That's how I see it.
9800P -> 5900U
9800XT -> 5950U
That's how I see it.
conscript said:i need to quote this because it's priceless. Are you saying the hl2 engine is based off of Q2 engine???
Its a rewritten Q2 engine. What do you think it was. Fresh start? What do you think Doom 3 is a rewrite of the Q3.
Even Carmack said BSP trees are out, why the hell are they still used?
The draw backs to BSP trees is data varaiance and flexiability. You can't expect Doom 3 or Source engine to do what Crytek or Stalker does. On the other hand Crytek and Stalker can do what Doom 3 and Source do.
They are still using BSP trees because they are easy to use and program with. But there is a cost for ease as mentioned above.
The Batman
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R1ckCa1n said:
X800XTPE vs 6800U = Default victory to Ultra for actually being available.
X800Pro vs 6800GT = Victory to GT for sustained ass-beating.
??? vs 6800NU = Default victory to NU for exisiting.
X700 vs 6600GT = We dont' know so far, but my money's on the GT.
Seems to me like Nvidia is winning all across.
^eMpTy^ said:
Damn, I just clicked to page 5, but I expected you guys to be WAY more into the arguement than this. Cut the slack guys this kind of post is CLEARLY page 1 material, by now we should be seeing benchamarks from various sites showing how much better either card is than the other.
Needless to say I am very dissapointed in the video card forum fans as a whole.
WuTangClam
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The Source engine is a brand new engine developed in house by valve. It is not based off of the original Half-Life engine.rancor said:
http://www.beyondhalflife.com/byhl.x?a=hl2&s=engine&page=1
Furthermore, the original Half-Life engine was based off of the Quake 1 engine, not the Quake 2 engine.
http://www2.uiah.fi/~taharvia/halflife/history.htm
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